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Sanity -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/6/2009 8:53:49 PM)


Here are a few brief excerpts from a lengthy and very interesting article- it seems that AARP isn't in it for the Seniors at all, AARP is in it for themselves, their own Corporate bottom line:

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Dec. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Arthur Laupus joined AARP because he thought the nonprofit senior-citizen-advocacy group would make his retirement years easier. He signed up for an auto insurance policy endorsed by AARP, believing the advertising that said he would save money. 

He didn’t. When Laupus, 71, compared his car insurance rate with a dozen other companies, he found he was paying twice the average. Why? One reason, he learned, was because AARP was taking a cut out of his premium before sending the money to Hartford Financial Services Group, the provider of the coverage. 

Laupus stumbled onto something that many members of the world’s largest seniors’ organization don’t know: The group, formerly called American Association of Retired Persons, collects hundreds of millions of dollars annually from insurers who pay for AARP’s endorsement of their policies.

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After Laupus discovered his AARP car insurance rate was too high, he became determined to learn more about how his membership money was being spent. In September, he traveled to AARP’s Washington headquarters -- two 10-story buildings that are connected by an enclosed, landscaped atrium.


He strode into the lobby, dressed in khaki pants and a blue checkered shirt, hoping to take a tour. He noted the brass doors and the marble that stretched as far as he could see.


“It says to people that we’re a very wealthy organization and we can afford to spend your money,” Laupus says. After showing his AARP card and telling a guard he’d been a member for more than 20 years, he was turned away.


“We don’t give tours,” the guard told him. Laupus asked again, and the guard called AARP’s membership department, which also denied the request.


Alan Simpson, a former Republican U.S. senator from Wyoming who chaired a subcommittee in 1995 that examined AARP, says he’s not surprised the association keeps its doors closed.


‘It’s a Temple’


“It’s no wonder they don’t let you see,” Simpson, 77, says. “It’s a temple. Opulent would be the word.”



http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20670001&refer=&sid=a4OkPQIPF6Kg




Brain -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/6/2009 10:45:51 PM)

It appears teabags don't read.

Bachmann-Teabag Overdrive Features Holocaust 'Health Care' Protest Photo/Banner

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7503

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

So then.

They all read the bill?



Did you?



I wont vote for something I have not read.   Why would anyone.   No I have not read this bill.  They are going to cram it thru regardless of what I think.   Regardless of what many of us think.

I can't think of any good legislation in the past 30 years.  Why do why need more laws?   We don't.






willbeurdaddy -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/7/2009 12:34:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Brain

It appears teabags don't read.

Bachmann-Teabag Overdrive Features Holocaust 'Health Care' Protest Photo/Banner

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7503

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

So then.

They all read the bill?



Did you?



I wont vote for something I have not read.   Why would anyone.   No I have not read this bill.  They are going to cram it thru regardless of what I think.   Regardless of what many of us think.

I can't think of any good legislation in the past 30 years.  Why do why need more laws?   We don't.





When he shows the same righteous indignation over Alan Grayson and the lack of condemnation of his obscene comments I'll give "BradBlog"n some credibility.




Arpig -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/7/2009 12:52:55 AM)

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"Who" outnumbers "who" here shouldn't override "common sense" (which unfortunately is NOT "common" anymore). Show me "real" health care reform first mike ... 1. no illegal aliens allowed treatment in ER's unless life/death emergency, and no access to ANY social services or govt jobs unless you are a legal citizen period. 2. tort reform; cap all medical malpractice award. 3. eliminate all waste, fraud, graft in current medicare/medicade programs. This should free up enough $$ to provide for those legal citizens who have no health care.

[sm=rofl.gif]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGs5wQo4ar0




Brain -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/7/2009 1:13:27 AM)

Fair and balanced:
Robert Greenwald and Andy Cobb on The Ed Show for Sick For Profit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reAqaZ0jDcQ&feature=sub


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Here are a few brief excerpts from a lengthy and very interesting article- it seems that AARP isn't in it for the Seniors at all, AARP is in it for themselves, their own Corporate bottom line:

quote:

Dec. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Arthur Laupus joined AARP because he thought the nonprofit senior-citizen-advocacy group would make his retirement years easier. He signed up for an auto insurance policy endorsed by AARP, believing the advertising that said he would save money. 

He didn’t. When Laupus, 71, compared his car insurance rate with a dozen other companies, he found he was paying twice the average. Why? One reason, he learned, was because AARP was taking a cut out of his premium before sending the money to Hartford Financial Services Group, the provider of the coverage. 

Laupus stumbled onto something that many members of the world’s largest seniors’ organization don’t know: The group, formerly called American Association of Retired Persons, collects hundreds of millions of dollars annually from insurers who pay for AARP’s endorsement of their policies.

...

After Laupus discovered his AARP car insurance rate was too high, he became determined to learn more about how his membership money was being spent. In September, he traveled to AARP’s Washington headquarters -- two 10-story buildings that are connected by an enclosed, landscaped atrium.


He strode into the lobby, dressed in khaki pants and a blue checkered shirt, hoping to take a tour. He noted the brass doors and the marble that stretched as far as he could see.


“It says to people that we’re a very wealthy organization and we can afford to spend your money,” Laupus says. After showing his AARP card and telling a guard he’d been a member for more than 20 years, he was turned away.


“We don’t give tours,” the guard told him. Laupus asked again, and the guard called AARP’s membership department, which also denied the request.


Alan Simpson, a former Republican U.S. senator from Wyoming who chaired a subcommittee in 1995 that examined AARP, says he’s not surprised the association keeps its doors closed.


‘It’s a Temple’


“It’s no wonder they don’t let you see,” Simpson, 77, says. “It’s a temple. Opulent would be the word.”



http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20670001&refer=&sid=a4OkPQIPF6Kg






Vendaval -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/7/2009 2:28:10 AM)

Why yes, it is indeed.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Is that one of them rhertorical questions Ven?




Vendaval -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/7/2009 2:32:26 AM)

I do not think that US citizens should be prosecuted if they do not purchase a health care plan.




tazzygirl -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/7/2009 3:25:08 AM)

Read the actual letter within the article cited by Sanity. Its not what he makes it appear to be.




Musicmystery -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/7/2009 8:21:50 AM)

Misinformation is their stock in trade.

Then they wonder why people stop listening.




Sanity -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/7/2009 8:50:15 AM)


Is this like Moons' assertion that Stalin leaned to the right?

Why don't you two be a little more specific. What facts are you trying to challenge? Or is this just the typical baseless smear campaign we normally see whenever someone begins pointing to some of the many very nasty facts which make Progressive ideas totally indefensible.






Musicmystery -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/7/2009 8:51:34 AM)

See tazzy's post.




Sanity -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/7/2009 8:52:12 AM)


Empty rhetoric.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

See tazzy's post.




Sanity -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/7/2009 9:02:25 AM)


The letter contains exactly what the Republican Ways & Means Committee members assert that it contains.

Here's a direct link to the letter.

http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/UploadedFiles/JCTletter110509.pdf

What specifically was misrepresented?







slvemike4u -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/7/2009 9:04:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Read the actual letter within the article cited by Sanity. Its not what he makes it appear to be.
It never is!




popeye1250 -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/7/2009 9:11:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

welcome to the forums. I hope you have a thick skin. Liberals outnumber conservatives here by about30 to 1..mike


Servant, that sounds like a fair fight to me!




popeye1250 -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/7/2009 9:22:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ostrichman1951

"Who" outnumbers "who" here shouldn't override "common sense" (which unfortunately is NOT "common" anymore).  Show me "real" health care reform first mike ... 1. no illegal aliens allowed treatment in ER's unless life/death emergency, and no access to ANY social services or govt jobs unless you are a legal citizen period.  2. tort reform; cap all medical malpractice award. 3. eliminate all waste, fraud, graft in current medicare/medicade programs.  This should free up enough $$ to provide for those legal citizens who have no health care.


Ostrichman, you forgot "foreign aid", that'd be another $36 B a year that we could put towards healthcare for the 50 million Citizens who don't have any.
I don't mind helping our own but Taxdollars shouldn't be providing healthcare for non-citizens.
President Obama promised us that illegal aliens wouldn't be getting any benefits under this plan. He'd better make good on that promise or he's going to have a new knickname!




slvemike4u -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/7/2009 9:32:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

welcome to the forums. I hope you have a thick skin. Liberals outnumber conservatives here by about30 to 1..mike


Servant, that sounds like a fair fight to me!
Especially when one considers all the so called independants that loiter in these here parts.....independants who seem to hold staunchly conservative viewpoints minus the balls to cop to it.




LadyPact -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/7/2009 9:40:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


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ORIGINAL: ostrichman1951

"Who" outnumbers "who" here shouldn't override "common sense" (which unfortunately is NOT "common" anymore).  Show me "real" health care reform first mike ... 1. no illegal aliens allowed treatment in ER's unless life/death emergency, and no access to ANY social services or govt jobs unless you are a legal citizen period.  2. tort reform; cap all medical malpractice award. 3. eliminate all waste, fraud, graft in current medicare/medicade programs.  This should free up enough $$ to provide for those legal citizens who have no health care.


Ostrichman, you forgot "foreign aid", that'd be another $36 B a year that we could put towards healthcare for the 50 million Citizens who don't have any.
I don't mind helping our own but Taxdollars shouldn't be providing healthcare for non-citizens.
President Obama promised us that illegal aliens wouldn't be getting any benefits under this plan. He'd better make good on that promise or he's going to have a new knickname!


Not to mention a different career in a few years.  I could easily see such an issue costing him any decent chance at re-election.  Something any President thinks about in his first term.




slvemike4u -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/7/2009 9:44:41 AM)

Its amasing how much the average American will bitch about foriegn aid.....while caring not a whit how much fortune is expended militarily....with dubious results.




LadyPact -> RE: AMA & AARP endorse House health care bills (11/7/2009 9:50:35 AM)

Are we button pushing this morning, mike?  No offense intended, but in replying to Me there, I think you have to realize that I have a pretty good grip on some areas of military spending and where some of the mistakes (in My opinion) are made.




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