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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

awww dammit to hell Kittin when I see you get mad....I just want to lay across your lap and help you work out your aggressions.[:)]

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

What you never heard of a surregate....sheeesh.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
since the tax filing threshold is below the poverty threshold, and since 13-17% are below the poverty threshold, about 90% of all taxpayers would be affected.

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Affordability credits. Provides financial assistance for premiums and cost-sharing for individuals and families with incomes up to 400 percent of the federal poverty level (FPL). Affordability credits are offered on a sliding scale such that premiums range from 1.5 percent of income at the lowest tier to 12 percent at 400 percent FPL. Provides additional assistance for households with incomes up to 400 percent FPL by limiting cost-sharing to 3 percent of plan costs at the lowest tier rising to 30 percent of plan costs at 350-400 percent of FPL. Specific out-of-pocket maximums are added to protect individuals at each income tier.

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Medicaid and CHIP. Expands Medicaid coverage to everyone within income at or below 150 percent FPL ($33,100 per year for a family of 4) who is not eligible for Medicare. Eliminates assets tests for eligibility groups other than for long-term care. Requires States that now cover those above 150 percent FPL to maintain eligibility. States receive full federal funding for costs of expansion populations in 2013 and 2014. Thereafter, States pay 9 percent and the federal government pays 91 percent. CHIP-eligible children move to the Exchange or Medicaid in 2014.

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Individuals. Individuals are required to obtain health insurance coverage or pay a fee equal to lower of 2.5 percent of their adjusted income above the filing threshold or the average premium on the Exchange. Individuals and families below the income tax filing are exempt. (NOTE: In 2009, the threshold for taxpayers under age 65 is $9,350 for singles and $18,700 for couples). Individuals may apply for a hardship waiver if coverage is unaffordable and selected exemptions from the mandate are provided in the statute. Those with coverage through the VA or who are eligible for government-sponsored healthcare because they are a member of a tribe are considered to have fulfilled the requirement to obtain coverage.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Repeatedly it addresses the fact that illegal aliens would not be eligible. The abortion issue has been removed. It prevents companies and employees from jumping ship on their own policies, and the experts speak of how this wont be a free ride for anyone.

And STILL you conservatives whine. Go grab a bottle and take a nap.. gesh!

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Nor did anyone want a free ride, LP. But try getting an appointment with a PC Physician without insurance. What people wanted was affordable access. The gate keepers to health care has become the insuarnce companies.

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Nor did anyone want a free ride, LP.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Nor did anyone want a free ride, LP.

I did.

I think a lot of people did.

Not that single-payer was ever a free ride since the taxes we pay would have paid for it.

While it's good to see a step forward, it is far short of what was expected.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Do you think the government should feed you too?

Buy you a new house?

Make your monthly payments on everything, and not just health insurance?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Nor did anyone want a free ride, LP.

I did.

I think a lot of people did.

Not that single-payer was ever a free ride since the taxes we pay would have paid for it.

While it's good to see a step forward, it is far short of what was expected.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Prior to being a military spouse, including those times I had no insurance, I paid every medical bill.  If more people had done that, we wouldn't have the crisis that we do today.  Those unpaid bills turn directly into higher costs the next year, with higher premiums for you.

That part isn't going to stop.  Here are the numbers on why:

* A total of 9.5 million among the uninsured said they were "not a citizen" in 2008, down from 9.7 million one year earlier. Foreign students and legal immigrant workers as well as illegal immigrants are included in this group.
* Some 44.7 percent of non-citizen immigrants were uninsured in 2008. Among native-born citizens, the figure stood at 12.9 percent in 2008.
* Non-citizen immigrants are around three times as likely to be uninsured as native born citizens.
* Some 21.3 million people said they were not citizens in 2008 census data, down from 22.2 million in 2007 data.
FACTBOX-Illegal immigrants and U.S. healthcare debate | Markets | Markets News | Reuters

Get that component taken out of the debate, and you'll see a much different opinion from Me on health care reform.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Do you think the government should feed you too?

Buy you a new house?

Make your monthly payments on everything, and not just health insurance?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Is it better to be paying for over 30million, or to have the majority of those covered, minus the illegals, as a starting point?

I am very familiar with Tricare, was covered by Champus as a child, then Tricare later on. Yes, i know its not free... nothing in life is free.. nor did anyone who supported this bill expect to be given health care for free. I have no problem paying my share.

Minimum wage is 7.15 - 7.25 an hour? Multiply that by 2080, the number of hours a full time person works. 15080. Just enough to be above poverty, not enough for anything else. Get sick, and your in the hole quickly. Most people have "part time" jobs now. No insurance, no sick time, no vacation time, no disability, living pay check to paycheck, always worried that the flu will hit and there goes the next paycheck, another hole you have to dig out of, ect ect ect.

Is it more important to take care of our own, or to get rid of those who arent? If given one or the other, what do you do?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


So, to assume that 90% of the country would be given heavy penalties if they didnt apply is misleading. First, on the outside and highest end of the numbers, only 30 million people dont have insurance. Thats less than 10% of the population. People cant jump board from their employer insurance and add onto the government one until after 6 months of seperation from their employer policy.

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Is it better to be paying for over 30million, or to have the majority of those covered, minus the illegals, as a starting point?

I am very familiar with Tricare, was covered by Champus as a child, then Tricare later on. Yes, i know its not free... nothing in life is free.. nor did anyone who supported this bill expect to be given health care for free. I have no problem paying my share.

Minimum wage is 7.15 - 7.25 an hour? Multiply that by 2080, the number of hours a full time person works. 15080. Just enough to be above poverty, not enough for anything else. Get sick, and your in the hole quickly. Most people have "part time" jobs now. No insurance, no sick time, no vacation time, no disability, living pay check to paycheck, always worried that the flu will hit and there goes the next paycheck, another hole you have to dig out of, ect ect ect.

Is it more important to take care of our own, or to get rid of those who arent? If given one or the other, what do you do?

Has it occurred to you that it might be possible to do both?  Considering the millions of dollars that have been spent on the second, how do you know it wouldn't be the better solution?

Resources don't come in unlimited supply. 

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
No they dont. I completely agree. And our resources as a nation have been tapped out. Not only by health care, but by military spending, bandaids and tarps.

I also know our health care is going bankrupt. Obama made it a priority. He has also said he would address the immigration problems next. I expect him to do so. I dont expect him to round them all up and deport them. Not only would that be cost prohibitive, it would be time consuming. Im eager to see what proposals both sides come up with.

But i dont see how both problems could have been addressed at the same time, considering the three ring circus the health care issue has become.

These problems didnt occur over night. They are the product of many administrations, not just one. To suggest that these problems can all be overcome within a year, in my opinion, is assinine.

I have my own issues with illegal aliens. The drain alone on health care has been incredible. But, people are losing their homes, their savings, their lives because the insuarnce companies have become a monopoly that has taken over and become "Big Brother". Its my opinion that this issue had to be tackled first. Those who have insurance can sit back and grumble all you like. Most of us are only one paycheck away from financial ruin.