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RE: Orgasm Control - how to? - 11/16/2009 11:39:17 PM   
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Again, you stated being able to cum-on-command is "plain crap" and a "myth".  YOU'RE WRONG!!!

Agreed. I don't know why you keep arguing with breathasone. They're full of crap and it's clear.
As I already said in this thread, as have others, it IS possible to train a female to orgasm from a command such as a word or gesture. I don't know about EVERY female, because I haven't tried it on every female. But it definitely can be done with some!

breathasone just said "IMHO" so they were going by their own personal experiences as well as what they had been told by others they knew personally. I don't think this makes them "full of crap" it just means they're going by what they've been through.

I don't know if anyone is "full of crap" here, but I don't think that coming in and saying you're right and someone else is wrong is going to get you anywhere. As Master had said, that's reality as they know it - they even went on  to clarify that they just meant that its not possible for everyone and that there might be an awful lot of faking going on just so some subs can please their 'D's. breathasone stated that what they were saying was their opinion from the very beginning, some people have been completely discounting that and insisting the opposite is true without even leaving room for personal experience I think that sort of position is far more offensive than just making a statment that starts with "IMHO".

I'm not saying either case is true - how could I? I can go by what I've done and what I've been through and everyone else can do the same. How can a 'D-type' be sure he made his sub cum on command? Perhaps she was faking? Even still, there are girls who say that they've been there, done that. That's fantastic! But that isn't my reality (yet!)

The bottom line is that I don't think breathasone meant to offend anyone on any side of things, if anything they probably meant to try to help take some of the anxiety off of my shoulders since I'm not easily orgasmic and I'm just getting into O control.

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RE: Orgasm Control - how to? - 11/16/2009 11:43:47 PM   
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Rational argument rarely works, but at least you're trying.  Go you!

I don't think Breatheasone was trying to be inflammatory either.  People are getting awfully touchy about this.  Why the rabid insistence that you are right ,and anyone who doesn't agree loudly is wrong? 




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RE: Orgasm Control - how to? - 11/17/2009 3:01:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I discussed this with my Husband as we are very interested in doing some sexy training to me to cum on demand...
but as we are worried to spoil the whole getting to orgasm thing and get disappointed in case i should prove difficult training material He has decided to train me to sneeze on command to start with...

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RE: Orgasm Control - how to? - 11/17/2009 3:09:50 AM   
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RE: Orgasm Control - how to? - 11/17/2009 4:10:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		ah yes, pepper and also feathers, but the aim is obviously to do without these eventually and just sneeze when He shouts SNOT NOW SLUT!!

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RE: Orgasm Control - how to? - 11/17/2009 5:23:33 AM   
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I want to thank all of you for replying. I'm relieved to hear that there are other females that are skeptical on the idea.

Someone recently likened it to hypnotism... I've never been able to be hypnotized before so I wonder if that would be another barrier for me.

I should say that my Master is extremely encouraging and understanding, I know at one point someone had mentioned that Master should just be happy to have me and he is. Exploring O Control is more for me than for him, to be honest.

I think that looking at it on an individual basis is probably the best thing that was brought up in this thread. Just because one woman can't naturally do something another can, doesn't mean she is lacking in any way. Plus, since reaching orgasm alone is difficult for some women, I don't think that its unreasonable to be suspicious when it comes to a female who says they can orgasm on command. It probably does seem like some sort of twisted "badge of honor" for some women who can achieve it , but I hope they can keep from looking down on other women who can't.

Personally, I know that some women can have multiple-orgasms but I've never had anything near that so its hard for me to put myself in their shoes just as I'm sure its difficult for them to put their feet in mine.



I'll be perfectly honest here.........I also would have been sceptical in the past.

I don't have any rabid convictions about it at all. From my own experience I know it's possible but I don't see it as anything to *write home about*, anymore than it is to be able to orgasm at all, or to orgasm over and over. These are just my personal experiences. If someone said they can turn water into wine, I'd want to see it to believe it .....lol

I'm sceptical that anyone other than HIM could get that response from me .......... so I'm no different to anyone else in their sceptisism. I don't think it's some obscure ability in either of us, it's just something that is able to happen because of the combination of his influence over me and my attraction to, and my obsession with him over years.

It's a *me and him* thing.......I have nothing to compare it with outside of that, so I haven't any reason to believe that could happen if I was with someone else. Just because the right circumstances happened to collide in the fact that HE has *something* that works with *something* in ME , doesn't mean it'll ever occur again. I've never wanted it, tried for it or been particulary interested in it. He's owned me for years , so he's got a lot of information and evidence to work with, which includes knowing exactly how he's been able to influence and affect me in hundreds of ways.

It's no big deal to me and I think it would be ridiculous to think it's some *clever* achievement just as it would be  if I thought it was *clever* for someone to enjoy *pain* in a way that I can't, or haven't to date.

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RE: Orgasm Control - how to? - 11/17/2009 11:19:27 AM   
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Your comments are complete bullshit and based on your own personal inabilities; and as such, are neither valid or reflective of reality. 

So, only your experiences are valid and reflect reality? 



So... ummm.... if someone states "there is no Sun", and given I've seen the Sun, then my "experience" proves the original comment is FALSE.  Had you actually been paying attention, you'd have seen that's what took place here.  One person stated, AS FACT, that the ability to cum-on-command didn't exist (e.g., was "plain crap" and a "myth"); which is completely FALSE. 

Your silly "So only your experiences are valid" nonsense is typical forum fodder for when one states something akin to one's preference as being better or worse than another's; not whether something exists or not.  So your failed attempt to use this typical forum auto-response won't work.  Square peg... round hole.  You would have been better served to remain silent... or to have at least understood the failed logic of your position and post, and thus avoiding any further embarrassment.





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RE: Orgasm Control - how to? - 11/17/2009 11:24:29 AM   
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Again, you stated being able to cum-on-command is "plain crap" and a "myth".  YOU'RE WRONG!!!

Agreed. I don't know why you keep arguing with breathasone. They're full of crap and it's clear.
As I already said in this thread, as have others, it IS possible to train a female to orgasm from a command such as a word or gesture. I don't know about EVERY female, because I haven't tried it on every female. But it definitely can be done with some!

breathasone just said "IMHO"...



And that opinion is/was wrong, as others have offered proof it is wrong.  This was settled yesterday, I thought?



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RE: Orgasm Control - how to? - 11/17/2009 11:36:33 AM   
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From my own experience I know it's possible but I don't see it as anything to *write home about*, anymore than it is to be able to orgasm at all, or to orgasm over and over.
 

 
Exactly... no different from if one can cum from pain, or spanking, or eating M&M's;  not better or worse... just different.
 

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I'm sceptical that anyone other than HIM could get that response from me ....



Given the above comment, you may find this of interest... one that was trained to cum-on-command found she could not/would not respond to another (a different Toppy) in the same way.  However, even after a YEAR apart, found she could still cum-on-command when ordered to by the one who trained her.  I thought that was pretty darn kewel.




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RE: Orgasm Control - how to? - 11/17/2009 11:39:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have been trained to come on command in the past. It takes patience and only positive reinforcement, but it can be done.

Before attempting to achieve any kind of success with this, I strongly recommend the dominant know exactly how to make the submissive come. This can take a great deal of observation for those females who are less than vocal during impending orgasm. 

Orgasm control starts with the dom knowing the sub is about to come, and giving her the trigger command to do so.  Once you get really good at this, you move on to edging. It is very much a mutual training, since if the dominant is not well motivated, a/o doesn't have great control, it won't happen.

Never ever use negative reinforcement (punish if she does not come at the trigger.) The dom needs to realize if that didn't happen, he either does not know enough about how to make this girl come, or he was not paying attention.In any case you should immediately make her come and give her the trigger so that you are NOT ending on a negative incident, b/c even that is enough to put some females off.

Orgasm control takes a great deal of patience, observation, and control by the dominant. In my opinion, it is well worth the effort.


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RE: Orgasm Control - how to? - 11/17/2009 12:36:05 PM   
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ah yes, pepper and also feathers, but the aim is obviously to do without these eventually and just sneeze when He shouts SNOT NOW SLUT!!


And that, my friend, was totally squicktastic.


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RE: Orgasm Control - how to? - 11/17/2009 2:29:12 PM   
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I do believe we can be programmed to cum on demand but it has little to do with dominance, though one may play with the concept if they are in a D/s relationship.
Its a type of programming. It exploits the bodies ability to learn to associate in this example a certain stimulus with a pleasurable result. Lets take me having an orgasm and every time I do Steve says a particular word. If he did this often enough then that word could bring me to orgasm.
Some people can smell rubber or leather and orgasm. That doesn't just happen but relates back to a very pleasurable experience.
There have been plenty of experiments done on this.
I do think that a submissive could be put under pressure to perform in the hope of pleasing a Dominant. Lets face it, women can be great actresses when it comes to faking and they are more likely to fake if they feel the need to please but that is not to say that a fem with a good partner who knows and understands about how to relate stimulus to pleasure cant make this work.


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RE: Orgasm Control - how to? - 11/17/2009 4:35:05 PM   
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Off-topic:

The definition of 'opinion' (via dictionary.com):
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. 2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal. Based on that definition, I fail to see how an opinion - a personal bias based upon perspective - can be proven wrong. Its like the eastern idea of Maya, the world as seen from one person is VASTLY different from another.

But this is just discussing personal opinion, point-of-view and philosophy - all of which are generally off topic. The point which annoys me is that breathasone stated an opinion - not as fact, but as the way they personally see things (hence 'IMHO') and they were respectful. In jump other people who poke fun at them and swear. I'm annoyed because I don't believe anyone deserved to be attacked. Even though I don't discredit any one person's views here, I'm surprised to see how childish someone can become and how quickly it happens. In my honest opinion (O noez! IMHO again!) its just internet bullying and I've made my thoughts known on it so I guess the "big girl" thing at this point would be to ignore it and just stay on-topic. (Sorry for carrying the argument further)

Anyhoo.. (On topic)

daintydimples - (cute screen name!) This is a tough one, even I  don't know exactly how to make myself cum all the time. I do know that its hard for me to do so at this point when he's not around and its a lot easier to do it when he tells me to. Thanks for the advice, I think we should try to interact more then since I tend to get quiet in bed - particularly in the time leading up to orgasm. (Unless, of course, he's telling me to say something)

allthatjaz  - I think that's actually what MasterSlaveLA was originally saying when speaking about Pavlov. I'll have to look into it a bit. That's a pretty different spin on things, in stead of a command, its more of a memory, right?

Master said he read about it a bit and said it was called something like "associated sensory recall"? This seems pretty logical, because smells can bring back pleasant memories so I suppose if the memory was pleasant enough and repeated enough...?

My Master tried 'edging' me once the day before yesterday and it was difficult for me since I wasn't quite sure where to take it to. Since my orgasms are hard for me to judge, I could be not feeling too stimulated one second and ready to explode the next so I had to be careful. In the end I settled with "close but not too close... just in case" but after what daintydimples said, I wonder if we should take a step back and increase our sexual communication first so that "brinking" would be easier to judge then? Or should we keep experimenting with brinking/edging so that we can gain better control first?

Ah, complications and confusion...

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RE: Orgasm Control - how to? - 11/17/2009 4:46:48 PM   
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Whether or not you manage to "master" this ability,  it should be fun trying.  After all, it means you both get to pay lots of attention to your orgasms.  And hopefully you get to have a lot of them trying to figure out how you do it. 

Might I suggest the Hitachi Magic Wand?  I know what it does to me, and I'm not easily orgasmic.


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RE: Orgasm Control - how to? - 11/17/2009 4:59:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		kasumi, thank you very much, and you do have a point, i was just saying how i felt....my opinion.

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RE: Orgasm Control - how to? - 11/17/2009 6:13:15 PM   
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The definition of 'opinion' (via dictionary.com):
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. 2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal. Based on that definition, I fail to see how an opinion - a personal bias based upon perspective - can be proven wrong. Its like the eastern idea of Maya, the world as seen from one person is VASTLY different from another.




Conjecture
  • a hypothesis that has been formed by speculating or conjecturing (usually with little hard evidence)
  • a message expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence
  • to believe especially on uncertain or tentative grounds
  • reasoning that involves the formation of conclusions from incomplete evidence

  Aren't word games fun?!!  Let it go, already.




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RE: Orgasm Control - how to? - 11/17/2009 9:46:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Breathes gave an opinion and stated it as such, MSLA. IMHO means "in my honest opinion" after all. Maybe you should let it go, already.

I also believe that she made quite a valid point on the subject of faking it. While I have not experienced cumming on command myself, I do know several subs who say they can/ have. That said, I also know several subs who have faked it to please their D types (not unlike the many vanilla women who fake orgasm for various reasons). While I do believe that some women can cum on command, I don't believe that it is possible for all women to do so, nor reasonable to judge those who cannot as inferior in some way.

I also agree with those who say that pressuring a sub on the subject is likely to be counterproductive. As another who has difficulty achieving orgasm in the first place, I can say that feeling pressure to do so just makes it less likely to happen.

To the OP- good luck with your exploration! Whether it works for you or not, trying sounds like lots of fun!

Just another $.02

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RE: Orgasm Control - how to? - 11/17/2009 10:11:44 PM   
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Maybe you should learn the difference between opinion and conjecture...

Opinion:  "Personally, I've heard of this, but find it difficult to believe."

Conjecture: "Personally, I think this is plain crap, an urban myth that keeps being perpetuated."


Oh, and maybe YOU are the one that should "let this go"... both myself and that poster did YESTERDAY, but for those of you that keep bringing it up TODAY;  hence, my continued replies.  So, don't bring it up again and I won't reply.  Neat how that works, huh?



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RE: Orgasm Control - how to? - 11/17/2009 10:16:27 PM   
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You always sound rather hostile.  Is there a reason?  Some of us have one view, some of us have another.  We're all allowed to think whatever we want.  No one is attacking you personally.


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RE: Orgasm Control - how to? - 11/17/2009 10:23:18 PM   
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I try to be direct.  Some may view that as hostile... but agian, I try to be direct. 

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