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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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Has the endless Obama criticism been reduced to the actual angle of his bowing?

Rule,
It is ridiculous isn't it?

The only question this raised to me was how, after all those well documented fuck ups caused by Obama's 'advisers'; how is it possible that some adviser set Obama up for this scrutiny?

That was a neutral comment and so is this...

Remember when "Why does Obama, or any candidate, need experience?" These stupid faux pas shouldn't be happening. They serve to distract from more important issues.

This is a "JEEZ! SOMEBODY in the Administration should have know better and advised him!" moment. There seems to have been an inordinate amount of these in the little time that's transpired since January, don't you think?

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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Do I really need to bring up all the links of prior faux pas from every administration, including Bush Sr. vomiting on the Japanese Prime Minister?

And that would change precisely what about this case?

Nothing. Thank you.

K.

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Bush Sr. vomiting on the Japanese Prime Minister?

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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The fact that other people ignore the diplomacy and manners of it, are the ones who should be villified

Ron, I'm not against Obama bowing. I think making overmuch of it is a crock of shit, as far as that goes. But jeez, you know the etiquette of bowing. Equals bow equally. Ferchrissake, look at the man. A standing bow is normally 15-30 degrees. Obama practically has his face in the guy's crotch. It's inappropriate. I don't mean that bowing is inappropriate. I mean bowing inappropriately is inappropriate.

Really?

Has the endless Obama criticism been reduced to the actual angle of his bowing?

This has just become too ridiculous.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

You seem pretty well versed in that. Any suggestions?

Yeah. Keep your hands at your sides. [:D]

K.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

As I said, it was and is a neutral statement. However, considering that so much attention to detail and the "US image" under Bush; the lack of similar attention can only point to one condition, personal or media driven - bias.

To me it is a disclosure of something much more basic and troubling. This points to a condition that there isn't anyone in this Administration that is qualified to advise the President on these mundane matters. Is there anyone in the Administration who is qualified to advise the President on more important matters?

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It's interesting that you complain about anyone bringing up superficial issues when it involves Republicans, but when it involves a Democrat the sky is falling.

But then again, you're one of them thar Independents who is qualified to make those judgments, because, after all, you is completely one of them non-partisan fellers.

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Actually the angle, where the eyes look, head and hand position have a lot to do with it. So if something is going to be critqued, how we bowed would be a more applicable and substantial item to discuss. All I know is that if I were Obama, after that incident, I would fire whoever prepped me on the bow, if I had been taught incorrectly.

But in the grand scope of things, it is like fucking up a handshake, which many people do. The spirit of ettiquette was upheld, and the mission of diplomacy was the goal, so while a minor thing, angle is a debate of substance.

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But in the grand scope of things, it is like fucking up a handshake, which many people do. The spirit of ettiquette was upheld, and the mission of diplomacy was the goal, so while a minor thing, angle is a debate of substance.

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy


I don't want my President, Democrat or Republican, Liberal or Conserative, Man or Woman BOWING to royals or for that matter anyone else.

I don't want the American flag dipped for them either.

And I am sick and tied of hearing about the silliness of diplomacy in theses matters.

BTW... and this is a broad statement not meant for you per se Orion.

This is a Classical Liberal Argument. Royality of ANY sort is wrong and its high time it comes to an end on this planet.

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

But in the grand scope of things, it is like fucking up a handshake, which many people do. The spirit of ettiquette was upheld, and the mission of diplomacy was the goal, so while a minor thing, angle is a debate of substance.

I don't want my President, Democrat or Republican, Liberal or Conserative, Man or Woman BOWING to royals or for that matter anyone else.

I don't want the American flag dipped for them either.

And I am sick and tied of hearing about the silliness of diplomacy in theses matters.

BTW... and this is a broad statement not meant for you per se Orion.

This is a Classical Liberal Argument. Royality of ANY sort is wrong and its high time it comes to an end on this planet.

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

But in the grand scope of things, it is like fucking up a handshake, which many people do. The spirit of ettiquette was upheld, and the mission of diplomacy was the goal, so while a minor thing, angle is a debate of substance.

I don't want my President, Democrat or Republican, Liberal or Conserative, Man or Woman BOWING to royals or for that matter anyone else.

I don't want the American flag dipped for them either.

And I am sick and tied of hearing about the silliness of diplomacy in theses matters.

BTW... and this is a broad statement not meant for you per se Orion.

This is a Classical Liberal Argument. Royality of ANY sort is wrong and its high time it comes to an end on this planet.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Life is a bitch...suffer
The world does not revolve around you
get over yourself

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World urgently watching US-China talks, Obama says

BEIJING – (AP) President Barack Obama declared Monday the world is urgently watching for a "meeting of the minds" between the U.S. and China as he meets with President Hu Jintao on the globe's biggest issues — climate change, economic recession, nuclear proliferation and more.

Obama also prodded China about Internet controls and free speech, but his message was not widely heard in the country because his words were drastically limited online and shown on just one regional television channel.


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