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Moonhead -> RE: White House Party Crashers/How did THAT happen? (11/28/2009 10:14:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Then he was incompetent in his choice of advisors.....which allowed a network of terrorists to be trained funded and deployed around the world.


Thats why he was a shitty president, IMHO.

but hey it satyisfies you....

I don't give a fuck either way, frankly. But if we're using the benefit of hindsight to shift the blame from the incompetent who was running your country in 2001 to earlier incompetents, perhaps his father's decision to turn the Taliban onto their own devices after the soviet collapse was a bad move?




willbeurdaddy -> RE: White House Party Crashers/How did THAT happen? (11/28/2009 10:25:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I just did.

The 2001 anthrax attacks in the United States, also known as Amerithrax from its Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) case name, occurred over the course of several weeks beginning on September 18, 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks

George W. Bush George W. Bush is the 43rd President of the United States. He was sworn into office on January 20, 2001, re-elected on November 2, 2004, and sworn in for a second term on January 20, 2005. Before his Presidency, he served for 6 years as Governor of the State of Texas.


Except for the fact that it was never linked to terrorism you'd be spot on.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: White House Party Crashers/How did THAT happen? (11/28/2009 10:26:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

There's certainly been less terrorist attacks on America during Obama's first nine months than there were while Bush was settling in, put it that way.


Wrong again. Fort Hood.

I said "less" not "none".


I only recall 1 during Bush's first 11 months. Please remind me.

Three planes into the twin towers, one into the Pentagon, and the one that crashed due to a passenger uprising before it got anywhere. Along with the anthrax attacks, that's rather more than one.


thats even stupider than tazzy's post. 9/11 was one terrorist attack, not 3.




tazzygirl -> RE: White House Party Crashers/How did THAT happen? (11/28/2009 10:35:04 AM)

2009

West Memphis, Arkansas, United States. Trent P. Pierce Chairman of the Arkansas State Medical Board was critically injured in a car bombing that occurred in his drive way. There are reports that he received serious injuries to his abdomen and face, but no internal trauma was reported. No one else was wounded in the blast.[32]

New York City A small explosive device exploded out front of a Starbucks in New York City destroying a bench it had been placed on. No injuries or deaths were reported in the blast that brings fears of terrorism.[163]

Little Rock, Arkansas Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, an American Muslim opened fire on a U.S. military recruiting office. Private William Long was killed and Private Quinton Ezeagwula was wounded.[169

Washington, D.C. An 88-year-old white supremacist and Holocaust denier fires shots in the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, fatally wounding a security guard.[178]

2008

Knoxville, Tennessee. Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting, Jim David Adkisson kills 2 people and injures 7 in Knoxville, Tennessee.

Dalton, Georgia An explosion at a personal injury law firm in downtown Dalton, Ga., injured four people, including at least one lawyer, and resulted in the death of the apparent bomber in what a federal law enforcement spokesman described as a suicide attack.[212]

Woodburn, Oregon. Woodburn police Capt. Tom Tennant, and Oregon State Police bomb technician Bill Hakim were killed, and Woodburn Police Chief Scott Russell was critically injured after a bomb exploded at the West Coast branch of Wells Fargo in Woodburn. Customer Service Manager Laurie Ann Perkett was taken, and later released from the hospital after being hit by shrapnel. The explosion happened just before 5:30 p.m. while Hakim and Tennant were trying to open the bomb, which Hakim felt confident was not a bomb. Officers were on the scene investigating a bomb threat called in to the bank at 10:19 a.m., when the explosion occurred. Joshua Turnidge and his father, Bruce Turnidge were charged with the murders.[314]

2007

A teenage gunman kills five bystanders and wounds four more in a popular shopping center before being shot dead by police in the Trolley Square shooting in Salt Lake City, Utah.

A pair of improvised explosive devices are thrown at the Mexican Consulate in New York City. The fake grenades were filled with black powder and detonated by fuses, causing very minor damage. Police investigate the connection between this and a similar attack against the British Consulate in New York in 2005.[105]

2006

United States: Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, an Iranian-born graduate of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, drives an SUV onto a crowded part of campus, injuring nine.

USA:A woman was dead and five others were hospitalized this afternoon after a shooting at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle building in downtown Seattle by a man who declared he was "angry with Israel."[10]

United Kingdom, United States: A major anti-terrorist operation by British Police disrupts an alleged bomb plot targeting multiple airplanes bound for the United States flying through Heathrow Airport, near London.

An Afghani Muslim hit 19 pedestrians, killing one, with his SUV in the San Francisco Bay area

Federal Agents disrupt Derrick Shareef’s attack on an Illinois shopping mall planned for December 22nd. His intent was to commit “violent jihad” just before Christmas.[34]

2005

United States, October 1: Joel Henry Hinrichs III detonated a bomb near the packed football stadium at the University of Oklahoma in Norman, Oklahoma killing himself in the process.[3]

2002

United States, May: Luke Helder injures 6 by placing pipebombs in mailboxes in the Midwest. Motivation to protest government control over daily lives and the illegality of marijuana and promotion of astral projection

United States, July 4: An Egyptian gunman opens fire at an El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles International Airport, killing two Israelis before being killed himself.

United States, October: John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo conduct the Beltway Sniper Attacks, killing ten people in various locations throughout the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area from October 2 until they are arrested on October 24.

2001

United States, September 11: Attacks kill 2,997 , and many more later from exposure to toxic dust in a series of hijacked airliner crashes into two U.S. landmarks: the World Trade Center in New York City, New York, and The Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia. A fourth plane, originally intended to hit the United States Capitol Building, crashes in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, after an apparent revolt against the hijackers by the plane's passengers.

United States: Anthrax attacks on the offices the United States Congress and New York State Government offices, and on employees of television networks and tabloids.

United States, December 12: Jewish Defense League plot by Chairman Irv Rubin and follower Earl Krugel to blow up the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City, California, and the office of Lebanese-American Rep. Darrell Issa, foiled.

2000

Elettsville, Indiana The Earth Liberation Front (ELF) claimed responsibility for causing over $500,000 in damages to construction equipment in Elettsville, Indiana. Fourteen pieces of logging and construction equipment were destroyed by the perpetrators, who filled gas tanks with sand, cut fuel and hydraulic lines and set a tractor-trailer filled with wood chips on fire. Graffiti found at the scene read, "Go develop in Hell," "ELF" and "This machine is evil." The equipment was being used for a state-run project to build a four-lane highway in the area. In their written statement, the group writes, "the government and developers are mad with greed and there will be no limit to what they destroy until we take away the profit from their schemes."[48]

1999

December 14: Ahmed Ressam is arrested on the United States-Canada border in Port Angeles, Washington; he confessed to planning to bomb the Los Angeles International Airport as part of the 2000 millennium attack plots

United States, December 31 An arson fire causes one million dollars in damage and destroys the fourth floor of Michigan State University's Agriculture Hall. In 2008 four people that the U.S. government claimed were Earth Liberation Front members were indicted for that incident.[5]

1998

United States, January 29: The anti-abortion Army of God bombs a health clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, killing a police officer and injuring a worker at the clinic.

Tanzania, Kenya United States, August 7: U.S. embassy bombings in Dar es Salaam and Nairobi, killing 225 people and injuring more than 4,000, by al-Qaeda, see FBI Most Wanted Terrorists

1997

United States, February 24: Ali Abu Kamal opens fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building in New York City, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from the United States, Argentina, Switzerland and France before turning the gun on himself. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claims this was a punishment attack against the "enemies of Palestine". His widow claimed he became suicidal after losing $300,000 in a business venture. In a 2007 interview with the New York Daily News his daughter said her mother's story was a cover crafted by the Palestinian Authority and that her father wanted to punish the United States for its support of Israel.[1]

1996

United States, July 27: Centennial Olympic Park bombing, killing two and wounding 111.


1995

Oklahoma City: Oklahoma City bombing kills 168 people, 19 of them children; the most deadly act of domestic terrorism in the United States to date


1994

United States, March 1: In the Brooklyn Bridge Shooting, Rashid Baz kills a Hasidic seminary student and wounds four on the Brooklyn Bridge in New York City in response to the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre.[1]
United States, March 5: In Salt Lake City, Utah, a gunman with a homemade bomb held several people hostage in the downtown public library. Police mortally wound the gunman before he is able to kill any hostages.
United States, December 10: Advertising executive, Thomas J. Mosser, is killed after opening a mail package from the Unabomber, being the second fatality of the mailbomb campaign.

1993

United States, January 25: Mir Aimal Kansi, a Pakistani, fires an AK-47 assault rifle into cars waiting at a stoplight in front of the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters, killing two and injuring three others, see FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives.

United States, February 26: World Trade Center bombing kills six and injures over 1000 people, by coalition of five groups: Jamaat Al-Fuqra'/Gamaat Islamiya/Hamas/Islamic Jihad/National Islamic Front,[5] see FBI Most Wanted Terrorists, FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives, Ramzi Yousef.

United States June: Failed New York City landmark bomb plot, see FBI Most Wanted Terrorists

1990

November 5: Assassination of Meir Kahane head of Israel's Koch party and founder of the American vigilante group the Jewish Defense League in a Manhattan, New York hotel lobby by early elements of Al Queda

1988

April 12: Japanese Red Army terrorist Yu Kikumura was arrested at a rest stop on the New Jersey turnpike in possession of pipe bombs on his way to New York.[1

Scotland/United Kingdom and United States December 21: Pan Am Flight 103 bombing over Lockerbie, Scotland. At the time, it was the worst act of terrorism perpetrated against the United States, and involved the greatest number of peacetime fatalities (270) in the United Kingdom. The bomb itself did not kill any passengers or crew but the subsequent break up of the aircraft due to failure of structural integrity proved fatal to all 243 passengers and 16 crew, moments later the wreckage landed in and around the town of Lockerbie, claiming another 11 lives. Just over 12 years after the event, at the conclusion of the Pan Am Flight 103 bombing trial, a Libyan agent, Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi, was convicted on 270 counts of murder and was sentenced to life imprisonment. Libya subsequently agreed to pay relatives of the Lockerbie bombing victims $2.7 billion ($10 million each) in compensation. 169 American passengers—including 41 American students—and 11 American crew members perished in the attack alongside many other nationalities including 11 residents of the Scottish town of Lockerbie, who were killed when the planes wings impacted Sherwood Crescent.

1985

December 11: computer rental store owner, Hugh Scrutton, is the first fatality of the Unabomber's neo-luddite campaign


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_1995

This is just a list of terrorists attacks that occured on US soil over the 24 years.

While you may consider me trollish, i have to question the intelligence of anyone who assumes because a certain President was in office, he lightened the load for future Presidents. None of them had a "light" load... nor did any of them have an "easy" time. Based upon what i could find, there was only two years with no terrorists attacks on US soil, 2003 and 2004. Did not take long for them to start back up again. And while there were no us attacks here, there were attacks all over the globe.

I never stated Bush caused any of the attacks, or Clinton, or Reagan, or anyone else. Because none of these people can "cause" anyone else to attack.

I have noticed though, when you are called to back up your shit, you resort to name calling. How... mature of you.




tazzygirl -> RE: White House Party Crashers/How did THAT happen? (11/28/2009 10:46:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I just did.

The 2001 anthrax attacks in the United States, also known as Amerithrax from its Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) case name, occurred over the course of several weeks beginning on September 18, 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks

George W. Bush George W. Bush is the 43rd President of the United States. He was sworn into office on January 20, 2001, re-elected on November 2, 2004, and sworn in for a second term on January 20, 2005. Before his Presidency, he served for 6 years as Governor of the State of Texas.


Except for the fact that it was never linked to terrorism you'd be spot on.



Definitions of terrorism on the Web:

the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ...
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

State terrorism refers to acts of terrorism conducted by governments. Like the definition of terrorism and that of state-sponsored terrorism, the definition of state terrorism remains controversial and without international consensus.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_(state)

terrorist - a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for ...
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Based upon these definitions, many STILL consider the anthrax a terrorist act.




luckydawg -> RE: White House Party Crashers/How did THAT happen? (11/28/2009 10:50:53 AM)

moonhead there was no taliban in 1988. There were mujahdeen, the vast majority of which became the Northern Alliance. the taliban was created by Pakistans intelligence services. Bush 1 remained involved in afghanistan, it was Clinton who ignored the place. and yeah it was a stupid policy.




Lucylastic -> RE: White House Party Crashers/How did THAT happen? (11/28/2009 10:53:19 AM)

Many consider the DC sniper and the Virginia Tech massacre to be terrorism too
But I have a feeling this is  a trial obfuscation technique on willburs part Tazzzy, good work tho:)





ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: White House Party Crashers/How did THAT happen? (11/28/2009 10:55:44 AM)

Nice finds, Tazzy, and good argument. Just goes to show that for some, terrorism ain't terrorism unless it's wearing a towel on its head. They'll just make up whatever definition they need to make up in order to support their argument, and accuse you of lying if you call them on it.

As for the name-calling, it looks as though we're going to have to get used to it. That seems to be Willbe and LD's favorite new tactic, and since it looks as though it's not against the TOS after all (which I assumed it was), I'm sure they'll continue to use it on a regular basis whenever they become too angry to formulate an actual argument. In other words, about 2 out of every 3 posts, apparently.




tazzygirl -> RE: White House Party Crashers/How did THAT happen? (11/28/2009 10:59:07 AM)

Thank you Lucy. Terrorism, even the homegrown kind, affects us all. To state one made it disappear by attacking them is silly. To state another made it worse by not attacking, is insanity.




luckydawg -> RE: White House Party Crashers/How did THAT happen? (11/28/2009 11:00:04 AM)

It isn't an insult if you are a trolling. But is nice to see you still have a chrush on me Panda.




tazzygirl -> RE: White House Party Crashers/How did THAT happen? (11/28/2009 11:01:32 AM)

I find it amusing, Panda, that these are the two who screech about how the government never tells the truth, yet is readily able to accept the anthrax attacks were perpetuated by a man with no motives beyond.. a sick sense of humor?

The name calling no longer bothers me. I just chalk it up to them being unable, and unwilling, to define their argument when called upon it. Neither offers up support for their positions, which i find interesting, and at times laughable.




luckydawg -> RE: White House Party Crashers/How did THAT happen? (11/28/2009 11:02:43 AM)

There is a difference between organized international terrorism, and a lone domestic nut job or two. And if you can't see that, I don't know what to say.




tazzygirl -> RE: White House Party Crashers/How did THAT happen? (11/28/2009 11:04:27 AM)

Oh so now you wish to define terrorism based upon who perpetuates it, why and where it occurs... LOL.. as i said.. laughable.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: White House Party Crashers/How did THAT happen? (11/28/2009 11:05:31 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I just did.

The 2001 anthrax attacks in the United States, also known as Amerithrax from its Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) case name, occurred over the course of several weeks beginning on September 18, 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks

George W. Bush George W. Bush is the 43rd President of the United States. He was sworn into office on January 20, 2001, re-elected on November 2, 2004, and sworn in for a second term on January 20, 2005. Before his Presidency, he served for 6 years as Governor of the State of Texas.


Except for the fact that it was never linked to terrorism you'd be spot on.



Definitions of terrorism on the Web:

the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ...
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

State terrorism refers to acts of terrorism conducted by governments. Like the definition of terrorism and that of state-sponsored terrorism, the definition of state terrorism remains controversial and without international consensus.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_(state)

terrorist - a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for ...
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Based upon these definitions, many STILL consider the anthrax a terrorist act.


"many" can consider it what they want. They dont even know who committed them with certainty, so to assign a motive is impossible.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: White House Party Crashers/How did THAT happen? (11/28/2009 11:08:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I find it amusing, Panda, that these are the two who screech about how the government never tells the truth, yet is readily able to accept the anthrax attacks were perpetuated by a man with no motives beyond.. a sick sense of humor?

The name calling no longer bothers me. I just chalk it up to them being unable, and unwilling, to define their argument when called upon it. Neither offers up support for their positions, which i find interesting, and at times laughable.



I'll add another name...liar. Youre so awesome at posting pages of useless research, find one post where I have said or even implied that "the government never tells the truth".




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: White House Party Crashers/How did THAT happen? (11/28/2009 11:08:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Oh so now you wish to define terrorism based upon who perpetuates it, why and where it occurs... LOL.. as i said.. laughable.


Like I said, they just make up whatever definition supports their argument, and attack you personally if you call them on it.




luckydawg -> RE: White House Party Crashers/How did THAT happen? (11/28/2009 11:09:04 AM)

Yep Tazzy, me and Obama do that....actually look at events to classify them, instead of just saying Terrorism is terrorism is terrorism. all the same thing, to be treated in exactly the same way.....


So bringing down a building killing thousands as part of an international network is the same thing as the unibomber blowing up a mailbox. Got it......




tazzygirl -> RE: White House Party Crashers/How did THAT happen? (11/28/2009 11:11:06 AM)

It was an attack that instilled terror upon anyone who recieved mail. Making it a terrorists attack. Most motives are not discovered until after the fact. The fact that this man they accused is dead, makes it rather convenient not to have discovered a motive, doesnt it. Especially in light of the attacks occuring swiftly after the 9/11 attacks, when the country was in a grip of fear. Of course that makes no sense that the government would cover up the real motives.

willbe, you usually arent this gullible.




Lucylastic -> RE: White House Party Crashers/How did THAT happen? (11/28/2009 11:11:21 AM)

Yep n there it is...whooomp




luckydawg -> RE: White House Party Crashers/How did THAT happen? (11/28/2009 11:11:37 AM)

YOur funny panda. I loved your made up definition of "directly quoting" which involved changing the words to twist the meaning.

And your made up definiton of "on Pain of death"


Chuckling at the trolls




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