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Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 9:12:48 AM   
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Its a bad time to be a front line American serviceman of any stripe. CIA, Green Beret, just name it.


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Hero SEALS face rap for fiend's bloody lip

Three Navy SEALs involved in nabbing one of Iraq's most wanted terrorists are reportedly facing criminal charges related to his capture -- all because he claimed he had a bloody lip.


The SEALs took down Ahmed Hasim Abed, the alleged mastermind of a ghastly 2004 incident in which four American contractors who worked security for Blackwater USA, were murdered in Fallujah and two of the bodies were hung from a bridge over the Euphrates River.


But instead of being praised as heroes, the SEALs are all facing charges and have hired lawyers, FoxNews.com reported.

The three enlisted men, Petty Officers Matthew McCabe, Jonathan Keefe and Julio Huertas, got into hot water after Abed, whose military code name was "Objective Amber," said his captors had punched him.


To prove it, he showed off the bloody lip.


A legal source told Fox News that Abed made the complaint when he was in the hands of Iraqi authorities, causing him to be returned to American custody.


An official investigation was launched and led to the three SEALs.


McCabe was charged with assault, dereliction of performance of duty for willfully failing to safeguard a detainee as well as making a false official statement.


Keefe and Huertas were both charged with dereliction of performance of duty and making a false official statement. Huertas was also charged with impeding an investigation.


All three have refused a non-judicial punishment -- called an admiral's mast -- and have requested courts-martial.


They will be arraigned on Dec. 7.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/hero_seals_face_rap_for_fiend_bloody_ITuJdA8JJ8WbYkAmQzE8OP

Read more here:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/11/025016.php


http://www.debbieschlussel.com/12746/hey-dont-give-terrorist-murderers-a-fat-lip/

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 9:25:26 AM   
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Thats absolutly insane. If they go to trial, Obamas impeachment should start the next day...

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 9:31:38 AM   
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All is fair in war. Don't start none, won't be none, but ya gotta learn the hard way apparently.

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 9:35:19 AM   
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As the Sister of a former 1977-1984 Navy SEAL and the proud daughter, granddaughter and great granddaughter of Navy men, absolutely insane is putting it lightly. This type of bleeding heart, politically correct BS is what is tearing at the strength of this country and will finish it off with America on it's knees.

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 9:37:10 AM   
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They should have just killed the fucker and then there wouldnt be an assault trial.

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 9:38:50 AM   
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quote:

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Thats absolutly insane. If they go to trial, Obamas impeachment should start the next day...


Indeed that is absolutely, completely, totally and utterly insane.  Obama's impeachment should start immediately for allowing his Attorney General Eric Holder to even bring charges against those American heros.

I find it interesting that they will be arraigned on Dec 7, that's Pearl Harbor Day...a day which has lived in infamy.   

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 9:43:38 AM   
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What's the big deal? They have a case to answer under the UCMJ. They will have their day in court. If convicted, they will have the right to appeal, and their sentence is subject to command review. No one is above the law.

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 9:44:01 AM   
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Ok Jim, I stand corrected.

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 9:45:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedSilk

As the Sister of a former 1977-1984 Navy SEAL and the proud daughter, granddaughter and great granddaughter of Navy men, absolutely insane is putting it lightly. This type of bleeding heart, politically correct BS is what is tearing at the strength of this country and will finish it off with America on it's knees.


As the proud son of a WWII & Korean Conflict Army Veteran and a Proud Vietnam Era Veteran myself, I couldn't agree with you more. God Bless you, your father, your grandfather and your great grandfather. God Bless Our Troops. God Save America from Obama.  

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 9:56:24 AM   
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We are sending tens of thousands more brave young volunteers into an ancient meatgrinder, and pulling this bullshit on our most elite warriors at the same time? 

Can you use a "he needed punching" defense at courts martial?  Can the panel issue a ruling of "so fucking what?"



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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 9:59:03 AM   
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They delivered him alive, and the worst he had was a fat lip. Their restraint was Saintly. And their (ahem) leader is allowing them to be charged...

Yes, this is outrageous.


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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 9:59:18 AM   
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I think the issue is more about them making false statements than them having belted him one.

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 9:59:54 AM   
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I looked in google news and it seems fox is the only network reporting on this? Bias? Maybe there should be some double checking as I might not be correct...

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 10:02:00 AM   
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I couldn't find a spliced up video on HuffPo that was covering it so I'll just have to live with accusations that these sources are biased, I suppose.



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I looked in google news and it seems fox is the only network reporting on this? Bias? Maybe there should be some double checking as I might not be correct...







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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 10:05:58 AM   
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Thank you RacerJim for your service and the blessings are returned to you and yours.


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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 10:07:49 AM   
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Since most persons won't be familiar with the US military system of justice, perhaps a bit of explanation is in order. The story said that these men had been offered non-judicial punishment. That implies that their offense was not viewed as a serious one. In non-judicial punishment, the offense is not considered as a criminal matter and only limited penalties, such as a fine or confinement to quarters, can be imposed. The accused themselves made the decision to reject non-judicial punishment and seek a court-martial instead.

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 10:10:40 AM   
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Because there was no damn reason to punish them at all.....Why should their records be tainted for this?

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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 10:16:34 AM   
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/25/national/main5773164.shtml
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/11/25/navy.seals.falluja/
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/Chicago-Suburban-SEAL-dereliction-of-duty-assault-77429692.html
http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/1909056,CST-NWS-seals29.article
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/29/multiculturalism-on-trial/
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/11/27/adrian-macnair-fighting-terrorism-politely.aspx
as well as the fux channel.



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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 10:28:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

I think the issue is more about them making false statements than them having belted him one.


That's part of it, but according to the Chicago Sun-Times the issue is that he was allegedly punched while already in custody. Not during the capture.

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The source said the charges -- which he described as "ridiculous" -- stem not from the capture itself -- which had a high potential for violence -- but from later on, when Abed was under detention. The source said the allegations began when a master-at-arms sailor assigned to guard Abed told a SEAL's platoon commander that one of the operators had punched Abed in the stomach.


That's why the charges were laid in the first place. The issue was that the military has strict regulations against abusing prisoners in custody, which they take even more seriously following the Abu Graib debacle of the Bush Administration.


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RE: Its A Bad Time To Be A Navy Seal - 11/28/2009 10:33:25 AM   
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Thanks lucy, Glad I was wrong about that

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