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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/4/2009 2:09:59 PM   
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oh and by the way, if you're not doing anything tonight you can watch John Kerry on Charlie Rose on Bloomberg TV, they're talking about Afghanistan and Pakistan.




I think Ive heard of him. Wasn't he a war hero or something?


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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/4/2009 2:13:04 PM   
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Compared to Bush, only Cheney is a bigger war hero for shooting the necktie in the face.

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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/4/2009 2:51:03 PM   
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oh and by the way, if you're not doing anything tonight you can watch John Kerry on Charlie Rose on Bloomberg TV, they're talking about Afghanistan and Pakistan.




I think Ive heard of him. Wasn't he a war hero or something?

Actually he was.....have you now stooped to denigrating one's actual service to his/her country?....or are you perhaps refering to his post service behavior?The latter is I guess fair game.... but,even for you...the former should be out of bounds.You do realise "swiftboat" is a dirty word....don't you?
Which makes me curious willbeur....and you are under no obligation to answer or even aknowledge this question....but have you ever served?...and if so... in a combat capacity?

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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/4/2009 2:52:32 PM   
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Are you seeking a citation from Wilbur? He's right, mike, your head is in the clouds.

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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/4/2009 2:55:50 PM   
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My head is up my ass for asking the qestion in the first place Ron a)he'll never answer any question posed by me. b)any answer given will be just more tap dancing,evasion and plain old american bullshit!

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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/4/2009 2:57:34 PM   
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maybe we can get one of his sock puppets to quote both of us, so he can reply to it without any sort of supporting evidence.

just sayin'

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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/4/2009 4:02:29 PM   
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I just wanted to get back to talking about health insurance, if possible, and not get distracted talking about John Kerry's purple hearts he got as a war hero in Vietnam. God forbid we start talking about Max Cleland and what Swiftboaters did to that poor man despite his losing both legs fighting for his country.


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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/4/2009 4:30:40 PM   
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Sorry Brain.....just don't like seeing those who have served have their service belittled in such an off hand way.....but your right,and I apologise.

edited because the U button does not always behave....leaving my questionable spelling even more a mess...lol.

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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/4/2009 7:14:43 PM   
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Please don't apologize, you don't have to do that, especially because I was the one who mentioned he could watch John Kerry on Bloomberg television in the first place. I didn't think it would become such a big deal but I guess anything they can do to discredit the guy makes them feel better. I know where he's coming from, I've seen it before when I used to hang around with conservatives when Reagan was president. They just consider it part of having fun, making jokes about liberals. I remember this one guy singing;
'Oh Roosevelt Oh Roosevelt/ God cursed the likes of thee/ the bums you fed are glad your dead/ and so by God are we! '
You are supposed to sing it to America the beautiful lyrics.
America! America! / God shed his grace on thee / And crown thy good with brotherhood / From sea to shining sea!
They really enjoyed singing that song and they hated FDR. I was surprised to hear it and found it distasteful.


Anyway, getting back to healthcare, there was some news I came across today about the insurance company Aetna, which is in Joe Lieberman's state of Connecticut. Apparently, it's just not making enough money for Wall Street so they have to make insurance more expensive.

Huff TV: Roy Sekoff Talks To Ed Show's Ed Schultz About The Latest Example Of Why We Need a Public Option

WATCH: VIDEO

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-tv/roy-sekoff-talks-to-ed-sh_b_381021.html



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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/5/2009 3:00:28 AM   
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I would consider Medicare high-quality health care. At least no Medicare recipient has to worry about recission in the middle of a Cancer treatment. The only area where Medicare is really inferior is where private insurances are allowed to meddle: Part D.


I'm curious.  How is Part D inferior?  As I recall, Medicare didn't cover prescriptions drugs prior to Part D.  I understand that Part D is administered by private insurance, but most Part D plans have little or no premiums and recipients pay co-pays just like anyone else with prescription insurance.  How is this inferior to having no prescription insurance at all?


Medicare Part D has been extremely successful and the only government health program to ever come in at lower that projected costs.


Because the cost was offloaded onto the Medicare recipients.

Ever heard of the doughnut hole?

Or tried to navigate through all the gazillion plans when you take five or six prescriptions, and none of the plans covers all of them?

Or picked a plan that covers your diabetes meds, and six months later when you are diagnosed with cancer you suddenly find out that the chemotherapy drugs aren't on that plan's formulary?


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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/5/2009 3:33:34 AM   
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And thats why health care for profit should never have been allowed.

Yup, Social Security would be in a lot better shape, because life expectancy would still be 67.


Coming from you, it doesn't surprise me that you subscribe to the myth that Social Security is in bad shape.

Reality is that somebody made a wild guess about how many children your children and grandkids may have decades in the future, and that we all but stop immigration (legal immigration would provide us with new young people, and totally change the scenario). And IRAs and 401(k)s are subject to the same demographic facts as Social Security, and would collapse right alongside it. The assumed problem is simply based on the ratio of old to young people, and that affects investments even more severely.

Reality is that even if all that nonsense came true, Social Security is a program that would run successfully for far more than a century, and outlive most of today's Americans. Which other government program can say that?

Reality is that Social Security runs a surplus, and will continue to do so for the decade or so that we can reliably predict. Even the estimate of a deficit is vague guessword, "bankruptcy" decades down the road is nonsensical.

Social Security takes in so much more money that it spends that it actually invests the money in treasury bills. Some people criticize this type of investment as "borrowing from the Social Security Trust Fund" or "intragovernment borrowing" - but they are overlooking two simple facts:

- Social Security MUST park the money somewhere. By a very wise law, it can't engage in regular investments, so T-bills is pretty much the only game in town.

- Those who claim that the money is somehow "gone" are basically saying that the USA will go bankrupt. Quite honestly, if that was to happen, all kinds of investments would be in horrible shape.


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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/5/2009 4:36:25 AM   
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I would consider Medicare high-quality health care. At least no Medicare recipient has to worry about recission in the middle of a Cancer treatment. The only area where Medicare is really inferior is where private insurances are allowed to meddle: Part D.


I'm curious.  How is Part D inferior?  As I recall, Medicare didn't cover prescriptions drugs prior to Part D.  I understand that Part D is administered by private insurance, but most Part D plans have little or no premiums and recipients pay co-pays just like anyone else with prescription insurance.  How is this inferior to having no prescription insurance at all?


Medicare Part D has been extremely successful and the only government health program to ever come in at lower that projected costs.


Because the cost was offloaded onto the Medicare recipients.

Ever heard of the doughnut hole?

Or tried to navigate through all the gazillion plans when you take five or six prescriptions, and none of the plans covers all of them?

Or picked a plan that covers your diabetes meds, and six months later when you are diagnosed with cancer you suddenly find out that the chemotherapy drugs aren't on that plan's formulary?




First of all, prior to Medicare Part D, Medicare recipients had NO presecription insurance at all.  They paid full retail for all medications.

The "donut hole" doesn't exist for anyone dully eligible (Medicare + Medicaid) nor to anyone who earns 150% of Federal Povery Guideline or less, even if they aren't eligible for Medicaid.  http://www.cms.hhs.gov/States/03_lowincomesubsidy.asp  The coverage gap is filled by many insurance plans if one is willing to pay a premium.  Each Part D insurer offers more than one plan for Part D.

Chemotherapy is a Part B (medical) drug and is covered under Original Medicare Part B.  Part D hasn't changed that.
Every plan must have an instrument to cover "non-formulary" drugs or face penalties by the government.
http://jop.ascopubs.org/cgi/content/full/2/3/108

Each plan is required by law to cover at least 2 drugs in every category.  I have been invovled with the administration of Part D services since 2004 so please don't tell me the cost was passed onto Medicare recipients.

In the first phase of MMA, Medicare recipients below FPG were also given $600 credit toward their medications, gratis.  I called hundreds of eligible people who had no idea this credit was available.  One woman had a medication that a 30-day supply cost nearly as much as she was getting in SS.  She was turned down by Medicaid because she had insurance assets.  She was buying a pill at a time as she could afford it.  When I told her about the $600, she started crying and told me I was an angel from God because she was sick and knew she needed her meds but had no money.  Please do NOT tell me Part D cost this woman anything.  It probably saved her life.

The insurance companies have added benefits and lowered premiums in an efffort to compete with each other. In an effort to provide more benefits, most insurers offer a combined plan that acts as a supplimental insurance but with additional benefits like vision, hearing, and dental, plus coverage for presciptions during the "gap". 

Every state has agencies who will review plans with eligible people during the enrollment periond.  Medicare(dot)gov allows a person to list all their medications and get side-by-side plan comparisions.
All of a sudden, after Part D, retailers started competing with each other to offer $5 prescriptions, it has been wonderful to see how humane retailers became after Part D. 

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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/5/2009 10:25:04 AM   
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I would consider Medicare high-quality health care. At least no Medicare recipient has to worry about recission in the middle of a Cancer treatment. The only area where Medicare is really inferior is where private insurances are allowed to meddle: Part D.


I'm curious.  How is Part D inferior?  As I recall, Medicare didn't cover prescriptions drugs prior to Part D.  I understand that Part D is administered by private insurance, but most Part D plans have little or no premiums and recipients pay co-pays just like anyone else with prescription insurance.  How is this inferior to having no prescription insurance at all?


Medicare Part D has been extremely successful and the only government health program to ever come in at lower that projected costs.


Because the cost was offloaded onto the Medicare recipients.

horseshit

Ever heard of the doughnut hole?

Yes, it is an extremely effective plan design that gets the consumer involved in his health care decisions at the levels where he actually has a choice, and protects him against catastrophic costs




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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/5/2009 10:35:31 AM   
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And thats why health care for profit should never have been allowed.

Yup, Social Security would be in a lot better shape, because life expectancy would still be 67.


Coming from you, it doesn't surprise me that you subscribe to the myth that Social Security is in bad shape.

And it doesnt surprise me that you put words in my mouth. If youve read any of my SS posts you would know that isnt what I think. You would also know that Ive worked with Robert Myers peer reviewing Social Security trustees reports and know a helluva lot more about SS than you do.




As to the rest of your post, you have said the exact same things I have said in prior posts regarding the investments of the trust fund. However your financial figures are pathetically far off.

Without payroll tax increases or benefit changes, on the intermediate assumptions SS reserves are depleted by 2039 and DI reserves are depleted by 2020.

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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/5/2009 10:39:45 AM   
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Personally, all this borrowing has gotten out of hand. Not only on a personal level by consumers, but on the government level as well. Maybe we should scrap it all, start over, call in all the markers, pay off the ones we created, and get out of the borrow industry.

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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/5/2009 10:47:41 AM   
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Personally, all this borrowing has gotten out of hand. Not only on a personal level by consumers, but on the government level as well. Maybe we should scrap it all, start over, call in all the markers, pay off the ones we created, and get out of the borrow industry.


Because until the economy is allowed to grow we cant come close to paying off the debt. And as Ive pointed out before, some borrowing is an appropriate transfer of costs to future generations of taxpayers that benefit from current spending.

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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/5/2009 10:50:46 AM   
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Personally, all this borrowing has gotten out of hand. Not only on a personal level by consumers, but on the government level as well. Maybe we should scrap it all, start over, call in all the markers, pay off the ones we created, and get out of the borrow industry.


Because until the economy is allowed to grow we cant come close to paying off the debt. And as Ive pointed out before, some borrowing is an appropriate transfer of costs to future generations of taxpayers that benefit from current spending.


Total horseshit, there is no future benifit to anyone that we are spending money on, it is more neo-con asswipe like laffer curves, bad bad science and bluster,



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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/5/2009 10:51:17 AM   
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Willbe... no one is lending. They are grasping at the money they have and whining because they cant get bonuses... yet businesses cant grow because they wont lend money.

Smacks of blackmail to me.

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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/5/2009 11:27:22 AM   
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Willbe... no one is lending. They are grasping at the money they have and whining because they cant get bonuses... yet businesses cant grow because they wont lend money.

Smacks of blackmail to me.


And why wont they lend money?

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RE: MIT analyst supports Senate Health care plan: Premi... - 12/5/2009 11:55:17 AM   
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They certainly had no problems lending before this all happened. Now you want to excuse them?

Someone pointed out there is almost 150 billion left in stimulus money. Would make alot of sense to bypass these so called bankers, make loans to small businesses, boost the SBA and allow the economy grow... and say... fuck you to the bankers who are whining because they arent making what they made when they were fucking everyone else over.

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