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Humiliation Why? - 12/2/2009 3:52:44 PM   
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I see alot of profiles that list an interest in humiliation from both dominants as well as submissives.

What kind of attraction is there to making a submissive feel humiliated?

Why would a submissive want to allow the dominant to attempt to make him/her feel humilated?

Are there positive benefits to this type of activity?

Do you consider this an emotionally safe activity?

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RE: Humiliation Why? - 12/2/2009 4:05:17 PM   
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my Master and i were JUST talking about this very thing today. He and i both just don't get it. Having said that,  Master also said there are PLENTY of people that wouldn't get what He and i do either, so there you go.... We don't get it....but We don't have to get it. Different strokes, for different folks i suppose. 

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RE: Humiliation Why? - 12/2/2009 4:08:19 PM   
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The kind I do with my slaveboy is exquisitely sweet, white-hot pleasure for us both. We do humiliation- not degradation. Ours is done to lift him up and bind him to me. We don't participate in anything that would put him down or devalue him. That would defeat the purpose. Do you see? Humiliation, not degradation

Humiliation=   YUM!

Degradation= HARD LIMIT!

If its not your kink, there may not be a better way that I can think of, to explain it to you. A lot of kinks are like that, it seems. You either get them, or you don't. So if you don't, no big deal. Just enjoy your own preferences, with someone else who gets you.

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RE: Humiliation Why? - 12/2/2009 4:13:31 PM   
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Some acts that others find humiliating I am proud to do. I equate humiliation with shame. I don't want to feel shame. I want to feel good about myself. So while I might get sexual pleasure form things that other people find shameful, these acts don't cause me any shame what-so-ever so I don't consider them humiliating. Why do I enjoy doing things that other people find degrading or humiliating? I have no idea. I think it might have something to do with a desire to put myself below my partner and to show my devotion to him. Or I might just be a sick fuck. Not quite sure.

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RE: Humiliation Why? - 12/2/2009 4:15:24 PM   
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quote:

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Why would a submissive want to allow the dominant to attempt to make him/her feel humilated?



Very often this is a submissive-instigated activity BTW.
 
You are going to get a lot of Fors and Againsts, Pros and Cons in response.
 
Bottom line for those that Do it - Feels good.
 
Bottom line for those who Don't - It's not my thing.
 
If it's nonconsensual - it's abuse.
 
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RE: Humiliation Why? - 12/2/2009 4:16:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dreamerdreaming

The kind I do with my slaveboy is exquisitely sweet, white-hot pleasure for us both. We do humiliation- not degradation. Ours is done to lift him up and bind him to me. We don't participate in anything that would put him down or devalue him. That would defeat the purpose. Do you see? Humiliation, not degradation

Humiliation=   YUM!

Degradation= HARD LIMIT!

If its not your kink, there may not be a better way that I can think of, to explain it to you. A lot of kinks are like that, it seems. You either get them, or you don't. So if you don't, no big deal. Just enjoy your own preferences, with someone else who gets you.

i would LOVE to understand though.... So what would be an example of humiliation, and then degradation?

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RE: Humiliation Why? - 12/2/2009 4:18:06 PM   
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There are things that are done that deeply humiliate and embarrass me. Things that i never would have thought to do...and i do mean ever.

That being said, theres something about being broken down completely until all you can do is cry and shake and say no....and then be lifted up, kissed, told what a good girl you are and how much you are loved....if done correctly, can be very empowering and memorable.

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RE: Humiliation Why? - 12/2/2009 4:18:35 PM   
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Anything that's disrespectful and/or not agreed to. 

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RE: Humiliation Why? - 12/2/2009 4:19:04 PM   
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Are there positive benefits to this type of activity?

Yes they enjoy it.

Not everything needs some D/s justification where you weigh up what the ultimate positive outcomes are. Something’s are just activities people enjoy. Like for example some people pretend discipline through punishment etc. is creating this positive outcome beyond the enjoyment of the activity itself when in reality that is a lot of the time just the social justification given when someone is asked "why do you enjoy inflicting pain on a loved one".

"Oh oh I'm crafting them into this super great being by spanking them. In fact if I follow this spanking programme I've invented they may one day be such a better person than they were that they'll be able to run for public office or be CEO of Glaxo."


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RE: Humiliation Why? - 12/2/2009 5:17:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Acer49
Humiliation Why?


It's humiliating.

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What kind of attraction is there to making a submissive feel humiliated?


RESULT... wet cunt/hard cock

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Why would a submissive want to allow the dominant to attempt to make him/her feel humilated?


RESULT... wet cunt/hard cock

quote:


Are there positive benefits to this type of activity?


RESULT... wet cunt/hard cock

quote:


Do you consider this an emotionally safe activity?


For some yes... for some no



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RE: Humiliation Why? - 12/2/2009 7:50:18 PM   
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I see alot of profiles that list an interest in humiliation from both dominants as well as submissives.

What kind of attraction is there to making a submissive feel humiliated?  I think Mist did a fine job answering this.  Some folks like being reached at a different level and strengthened through that.  From the top side, not only do I get to use My creativity in humiliating that particular submissive, I also get to walk them back to the other side where they feel positive about themselves again.  Sometimes, even more so than before we did the play.

Why would a submissive want to allow the dominant to attempt to make him/her feel humilated?For some it's a turn on.  For others, it can be a way to get past one issue or another.  From My understanding, there can be a great amount of freedom in it.

Are there positive benefits to this type of activity?  Absolutely.

Do you consider this an emotionally safe activity?  Yes, I do, but take that with the consideration that I tend to be very careful about My research.  There is a lot I put in before we ever get to the actual humiliation part.  (If you don't know what I mean, just ask.)

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RE: Humiliation Why? - 12/2/2009 8:41:56 PM   
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It's a way to make myself completely vulnerable to my boyfriend. The intimacy is incredible. It's a turn on in every way--physical, mental, emotional. There's no shame for me, just delicious vulnerability.

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RE: Humiliation Why? - 12/2/2009 8:57:50 PM   
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At the risk of sounding REALLY dense, what is it you all are talking about when you say...it makes me feel free...it makes me feel vulnerable ....it makes me feel etc.... what is IT ....

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RE: Humiliation Why? - 12/2/2009 8:58:48 PM   
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IT is humiliation. Isn't that what this thread is about?

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RE: Humiliation Why? - 12/2/2009 9:02:19 PM   
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LOL..ok got me there...i'm trying to get the hang of this....so i'm trying to figure out what the humiliation is.... name calling?.... being laughed at? spit on? Just want to get an idea.

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RE: Humiliation Why? - 12/2/2009 9:22:21 PM   
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For me it’s lots of different things: having to ask permission to masturbate and then report back on it; masturbating in front of him; begging; being called a slut or whore . . . but like I said in a previous post, there’s no shame in it for me. I love doing these things for my boyfriend and it makes me feel incredibly close to him.

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RE: Humiliation Why? - 12/2/2009 10:06:58 PM   
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I'll answer tomorrow when I get a chance, but for now you can check out my answer on the other humiliation thread.

Also, you can read my journal. Its only a few entries, but its all about the humiliation, control and objectification of my slaveboy.

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RE: Humiliation Why? - 12/3/2009 12:25:23 AM   
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I posted a similar comment on another humiliation thread, but here's an elaboration.

I have to add my standard disclaimer - I don't pretend for an instant that this is "THE" answer, this is my answer - I think there'll be lots of different reasons/motivators for enjoying humiliation, these are just mine.

First, I'd say that in everyday life, deliberately humiliating someone is a nasty, unpleasant thing to do. I've seen examples of deliberate humiliation in the workplace that are simply unacceptable. But so is causing someone physical pain. Both of these are things I just would never do outside kink.

My very first introduction to humiliation in a kink context was a long old time ago (1993 as it happens) with a French girl. It was instigated by her - She asked me to call her a slut. When I did, her reaction was a combination for embarrassment (she blushed) and arousal (she got noticeably wetter). So when MasterSlaveLA simply says:

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RESULT... wet cunt/hard cock


That's not simply a flippant answer - it is kinda the key answer.

With V (my French g/f).. I went on to explore her reactions to different forms of humiliation - Each time her reaction was strong and positive (in that she was increasingly turned on as the humiliation increased)...

After one instance of humiliation (private humiliation in a public context - so none of the other people at the party knew what we were up  to) I asked her why she enjoyed it so much.

Unhelpfully in the context of the OP she said that she didn't know... The first thing she said was that she wouldn't enjoy being humiliated by anyone else, then she said that rather than shameful it felt intimate.. Which tallys with lucylucy's comment :-

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ORIGINAL: lucylucy

It's a way to make myself completely vulnerable to my boyfriend. The intimacy is incredible. It's a turn on in every way--physical, mental, emotional. There's no shame for me, just delicious vulnerability.


For me MasterSlaveLA and lucylucy nail this question together - For me the motivator is my partner's arousal (which in turn turns me on) and the intimacy that humiliation implies/requires.


There is a caveat - Just as there is with many of the kinda things we get up to in kinkland - I have encountered  people out there who seem to me to crave humiliation as a means to validate their own feelings of worthlessness (and there are people who crave pain for similar reasons) - I wouldn't play with someone who I felt (and this is based on a subjective and non qualified feeling rather than a professional assessment of someone's mental health) had issues that needed to be resolved.

SO...

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ORIGINAL: Acer49
What kind of attraction is there to making a submissive feel humiliated?

It's a combination of intimacy and arousal

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Why would a submissive want to allow the dominant to attempt to make him/her feel humilated?

You could equally ask  why would an otherwise functional man or woman allow a dominant to bend them over a chair and cane them? The simple answer is because they get their rocks off. The more complex answer might be because it's an expression of intense intimacy - allowing one person to do and say things that no-other person could...

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Are there positive benefits to this type of activity?


Again - you could easily ask what the positive benefits of caning are - In the context of humiliation the positive benefits could be - increased intimacy and increased trust (you have to be pretty in tune with your sub to know where the limits are).

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Do you consider this an emotionally safe activity?


Oh lord no! But "forming a relationship" isn't an emotionally safe activity is it? I think that many (if not most) of the things entailed in BDSM aren't "emotionally safe" - Everything we do in the context of a relationship has a level of "emotional danger" - From the first second, when I walk up to to hottest chick in the room and say "hi" I am doing something that isn't emotionally "safe" - She might tell me to fuck off (trust me... it's happened   )... and my feelings will be hurt. Falling in love isn't emotionally safe (lord knows the number of unhappy endings we read about on these boards provides a pretty big clue there)... So it's all about the balance of risks... how much emotional danger vs how much emotional upside - In truth I'm not "crushed" when a pretty girl expresses no interest in me so the level of emotional danger is low compared to the potential upside of getting to know a lovely lady.

Intimacy is inherently emotionally unsafe - you are exposing yourself, making yourself vulnerable - but the upside is wonderful.

Again the caveat - Someone who seems to have serious self-worth issues ( and I stress - someone who seems to unqualified me as such - and I've got it wrong at least once in the past to my regret) is likely to be more "emotionally unsafe" than someone who seems to have all her shit in order.

As for me - I enjoy control and humiliation - because I find something utterly erotic about asking an intelligent, feisty, independent woman to do things... watching the conflict ("I don't have to bend over and take a spanking, but I want to...."), then watching her arousal.. That may not marry up with the "True Definition" of being a Dom (which doesn't actually exist) but it's at the heart of mine (along with intimacy, trust, responsibility).

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RE: Humiliation Why? - 12/3/2009 1:12:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Acer49

I see alot of profiles that list an interest in humiliation from both dominants as well as submissives.

What kind of attraction is there to making a submissive feel humiliated?

Gets me wet and him hard.
quote:


Why would a submissive want to allow the dominant to attempt to make him/her feel humilated?

Same as above. It's a kink - not all humilation is the same, just as how getting a shot at the doctor's office isn't the same as being flogged or needleplay.
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Are there positive benefits to this type of activity?

I dunno about you but I consider orgasms and subspace to a positive benefit.
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Do you consider this an emotionally safe activity?

It's like anything else we do. When it's done with care for those involved, yes it's safe. There are some risks but there are risks in nearly every type of play. Hell there are risks to eating potato chips - I actually know a guy who ate a dorito and it scraped up his throat so bad it made an open wound. That got infected and required medical treatment.

The question isn't if it's safe. The question is if the reward is worth the risk.

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RE: Humiliation Why? - 12/3/2009 1:17:03 AM   
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Humiliation is as broad as its long. What one person finds humiliating another may find not humiliating at all. It could be something as simple as getting your guy to wear your undies for the day or a sub wear your collar while out shopping. It could be a scolding followed by a spanking or it could be made to kneel naked in a gents toilet with a funnel in your mouth and a note round your neck saying 'piss here'. Its all about obedience and control. Its about doing something embarrassing regardless of weather you want to do it or not that reiterates that control.
Humiliation only works if its humiliating to the person involved and more importantly, that they actually desire to be humiliated and the Dominant wants to humiliate them. All this then leads up to the reasons why you do it and is answered by the proceeding sentence.... It turns them on.
Just as many people can't understand why some people get turned on by the smell of rubber or why someone would want to be a slave, others will not be able to understand why some people desire to be humiliated.
Is it healthy and safe? for those within a close and trusting relationship I think its just as safe as anything else we do. I believe the darker side of humiliation needs two stable minds under a controlled environment and I believe that if it is done without homework and caution it can be hugely damaging. Done well it can break down barriers and remove fears.

Some people will want to go down the humiliation route because of past emotional issues that they had no control of. By consenting to humiliation with the right partner you can work out a scene where you have control of the ending and is therefore therapeutic.

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