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RE: Defended my home - 12/8/2009 12:01:35 AM   
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Don't be silly... I'd find a spot I could keep an eye on him...even if it were just outside the door


And then do what?

The point is, by doing that you are giving that man some measure of control over the situation that you can not afford to let him have. You are giving him back some of the advantage you have gained in taking him by surprise. You are making it more possible for him to kill or injure your loved ones, and why? For what reason? Fuck him, Butch. The sonofabitch broke into my house, in the middle of the night, where my child, my father, and my grandmother are sleeping in their beds, and he has both a gun and a knife. He came into my house fully prepared to kill my family. And I'm absolutely not - under any circumstances - going to cut him any slack at all. He's dead. Period. My only - i said my only - concern is making sure that my loved ones wake up just as alive as they were when they went to sleep. Why would i possibly spend as much as 2 seconds of my life even considering how to help that little motherfucker go home alive? why? What possible reason?

Fuck him. He endangers my family, in my house, he's dead. Earlier in this thread I said I would probably give him one chance to comply with my orders, but I've reconsidered. If I've got a family to protect, there's no way I'm going to put them at even the slightest risk by giving him a chance to turn the tables. I'm just going to kill him, because their lives are the only lives that matter to me in that situation. If I'm home alone, that'd be different. I'm willing to take a lot more risks than I'm willing to expose my loved ones to. But if I've got a father and a grandmother - and a 4-year old child, for christ's sake - to defend, I'm going to blow him in half with 15 pellets of 00 buckshot, at 1225 feet per second, the equivalent of emptying two .32 caliber revolvers into him at point blank range.

There is nothing - nothing - in this world more important to me than the people I love. And i will kill anyone who I have reason to believe is directly threatening to kill them. As this man clearly was. Because i can not imagine any rational reason not to.


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RE: Defended my home - 12/8/2009 12:04:42 AM   
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First I call the cops...who gives a shit if its a false alarm.

Unsurprisingly, the cops do. If you think that calling 911 for every strange noise won't get your address flagged as a "frequent flyer", you are very much mistaken. After the first 10 trips or so, you will become "The boy who cried wolf" to the local cops, like it or not.


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RE: Defended my home - 12/8/2009 12:08:26 AM   
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RE: Defended my home - 12/8/2009 1:06:15 AM   
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First I call the cops...who gives a shit if its a false alarm...


The cops do. Do enough "false alarms" and you end up footing the bill for their responses. Hell, some alarm companies now require confirmation before they'll even dispatch police. Orion as already stated the tendency for many things to 'go bump in the night,' I doubt footing the bill for the cops' response each time suits him. I'd be willing to bet that if he told 911 he just "heard a noise" they would likely ask for secondary confirmation that there was a need for them to arrive. Either that, or they'd have a response time of roughly an hour or more.

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I would have backed away to a place I had the advantage...


He already had the advantage by surprising the guy with his own gun. Next ridiculous arm-chair-quarterbacking moment?



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RE: Defended my home - 12/8/2009 3:39:14 AM   
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Yeah, this would have made the news so its pretty obvious now that Orion's story is a hoax. I fell for it at first too, but the self-aggrandizing way in which he wrote about it made me a little suspicious from the start. Then the story got bigger - the "perp"  became a gang member. And it was an initiation ritual!

Ooh, scarier and scarier...


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Well Orion, you know that I don't ever agree with Sanity on anything.  But I have to agree with his skepticism toward your story.

You've mentioned before that you live in the Atlanta area. 

Since you've posted this story I have been logging on to the Atlanta Journal Constitution site and their affiliated tv news station and haven't heard a word about this.

I've searched for home invasions and shootings in Fulton and DeKalb counties with nothing matching what you describe.

Yet there were two other stories of home invasion burglaries in the past week that were of far less severity than what you claim, and they both received a great deal of press coverage.

How is it that your incident has received no coverage?

If it has and I missed it then provide the citation and feel free to black out any names, addresses, even the name of the media source itself to protect your privacy.

Home Invasion Leaves One Man Injured | FOX 5 Atlanta ...Dec 4, 2009 
Home near Georgia Tech robbed in home invasion | ajc.comDec 2, 2009 ... Atlanta police Wednesday were investigating an overnight home invasion and armed robbery at a house just north of the Georgia Tech campus.




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RE: Defended my home - 12/8/2009 3:41:19 AM   
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Yeah, this would have made the news so its pretty obvious now that Orion's story is a hoax. I fell for it at first too, but the self-aggrandizing way in which he wrote about it made me a little suspicious from the start. Then the story got bigger - the "perp"  became a gang member. And it was an initiation ritual!

Ooh, scarier and scarier...


I always figured you for a ....(radio edit). Thanks for confirming it.

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RE: Defended my home - 12/8/2009 3:52:32 AM   
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OK...if he had died would it have been worth the junk in your basement big man?

Could you have quietly...with gun in hand called the police and said there was someone in your house then made sure your wife was safe...again with gun in hand and wait for the police to arrive...again with gun in hand?

Butch



There is no position easier to play than Monday morning quarterback. To sit in the comfort and safety of one's own home and dissect what was done when a dangerous and potentially deadly situation was going on is inappropriate to say the least.

I do not say that your idea of how to handle it is not valid. But it wasn't you or your loved one's on the line. Orion's was. Let's keep that in mind, shall we?


i think the way Orion handled the situation showed amazing restraint...giving the intruder two warnings. Personally, i would have shot him after the first one.

Edited to add....and it has nothing to do with the junk in the basement. Hell...the dude might have been going through a few boxes i packed for the trash and had not gotten around to hauling outside yet. The reason i would have shot him is because when he entered our home he presented a threat to my family. Don't mess with a mama bear protecting her cubs.


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RE: Defended my home - 12/8/2009 4:17:29 AM   
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Yes, you always did, thanks for pointing that out. You and Panda both...

But I confirmed it how, by daring to state the obvious? How is that a crime. "Orion The Wolf " isn't above reproach. He isn't at all shy about criticizing others, and viciously. And so you should expect that his tall tale wouldn't be fairly criticized after he posted it?

Why.


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I always figured you for a ....(radio edit). Thanks for confirming it.


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RE: Defended my home - 12/8/2009 4:19:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		People and their skepticism are amazing.  And just what did he have to prove with his "hoax"?  That gun control is good and should remain in-tact?  Gun control, while has always been an issue, isn't an issue at hand right now, and to boot, Orion has never even jumped on that boat.  At times Sanity, I question your ability to make sound decisions, based on your logic and the thoughts you dare to bravely associate yourself with (in other words, to me, you sometimes sound like a kook), but go right ahead on and think what you will (you usually do).

And damn you too!  While Orion doesn't need anyones defense here on a forum board (of all places!), you make just shake my head.  You, dear Sanity, are the reason the world is like it is.  Trump, pomp, and circumstance.

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RE: Defended my home - 12/8/2009 4:26:24 AM   
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Yes, you always did, thanks for pointing that out. You and Panda both...

But I confirmed it how, by daring to state the obvious? How is that a crime. "Orion The Wolf " isn't above reproach. He isn't at all shy about criticizing others, and viciously. And so you should expect that his tall tale wouldn't be fairly criticized after he posted it?


If we have to explain it, you wouldn't understand. In fact, I know you wouldn't understand because I've seen the drivel you've posted in other threads. Apparently this thread is no exception. I can think of TONS of reasons why we haven't heard about it yet. First and foremost, the sheer amount of crime in the news is staggering. It could easily be lost. Secondly, it's only been a "blotter" item so far. Not every affiliate puts blotter info online.

Orion has already said he's found it online, but won't post it because it has his street address in it. Seems logical to me. I wouldn't post it either. Furthermore, my accomplishments, claims, etc have no need for embelishment. They are what they are. You can take them, leave them or ignore them. I imagine Orion to be the same way. He has no need to prove himself to you or anyone else. He's given no need for me to question this. So I don't.

If he'd come in here and acted like a junior Rambo, saying things like "Fuck yeah man, totally blew that lil bitch burglar away, man! Fuck yeah! He picked the wrong damned house man!" Then I'd be skeptical. But the way he's speaking here indicates none of that.

No one is saying you have to believe it. But hey, you don't have to post here either. I certainly don't think he's going to lower himself enough at a time like this to give you the time of day in this thread. I know I wouldn't if I were him.

Just more examples of the irony of your chosen screen name. Not everyone picks a name that's the polar opposite of themselves. But alas, we're big on irony around here.

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RE: Defended my home - 12/8/2009 4:28:11 AM   
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...(in other words, to me, you sometimes sound like a kook), ....


Sometimes?


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RE: Defended my home - 12/8/2009 4:34:06 AM   
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Sometimes this is just a little soap opera, its obviously quite cliquish around here in spots. No, I don't give a rats ass what you think of me, and these personal attacks are to be expected I suppose. You can't support his story so you try these pathetic personal attacks.

Just another day in paradise here on the forums...


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...(in other words, to me, you sometimes sound like a kook), ....


Sometimes?



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RE: Defended my home - 12/8/2009 4:40:26 AM   
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Sometimes this is just a little soap opera, its obviously quite cliquish around here in spots. No, I don't give a rats ass what you think of me, and these personal attacks are to be expected I suppose. You can't support his story so you try these pathetic personal attacks.

Just another day in paradise here on the forums...


A fully expected response from someone like you.

Read this part very carefully, a couple of times if you need to:

WE DON'T NEED TO SUPPORT HIS STORY.

Unless you're some kind of online predator, trying to get his information (which would certainly be contained in a news item about a shooting death) let it the fuck go. He has no need for your validation and neither do the rest of us.

You're the same type of guy who, if I claimed I made 100K a year, would demand to see my W2 or paystub....with all my personal information on it. Here let me just go ahead and put that online in an open message board and invite indentity theft and worse. Great plan there. (Not).

And what you claim are personal attacks are self-defense (or others defense of Orion). Had you kept your trap shut, you'd not be under fire right now. So you, much like his intruder, got exactly what you were asking for. You had the choice and you made it. Now deal with the consequences. (Or just leave the thread....something I think most of us would prefer anyway.)

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RE: Defended my home - 12/8/2009 4:41:06 AM   
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Yeah, this would have made the news so its pretty obvious now that Orion's story is a hoax. I fell for it at first too, but the self-aggrandizing way in which he wrote about it made me a little suspicious from the start. Then the story got bigger - the "perp"  became a gang member. And it was an initiation ritual!

Ooh, scarier and scarier...



Well going by your logic, my friends brother-in-law who rammed his car into a tree the night before he was supposed to go back to Iraq, never died? Because I looked online and there was NO story about it. Now certainly a service member who is killed back in the states while on leave is newsworthy, right? So no story, no tragedy.

And my friend who killed himself at the beginning of the year, I couldn't find a story online about that either. Wouldn't you think finding a coworker dead at his desk would be news?  I guess it didn't happen either. Thank God, his family will be real happy to hear that.

As for this particular incident, around here people getting shot isn't news. Maybe if he had died, it might have gotten something, but just injured. Sorry but gang connected or not, it just isn't big news. People get shot in the Detroit area on a regular basis. The only time it is news, is if it kills someone important or a reporter thinks he can score big points with it somehow.


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RE: Defended my home - 12/8/2009 4:46:03 AM   
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As for this particular incident, around here people getting shot isn't news. Maybe if he had died, it might have gotten something, but just injured. Sorry but gang connected or not, it just isn't big news. People get shot in the Detroit area on a regular basis. The only time it is news, is if it kills someone important or a reporter thinks he can score big points with it somehow.


Excellent point, but you're wasting your time with him. He's adopted the teen-aged message board antics of saying "Pics or it didn't happen."


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RE: Defended my home - 12/8/2009 4:54:36 AM   
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If he'd come in here and acted like a junior Rambo, saying things like "Fuck yeah man, totally blew that lil bitch burglar away, man! Fuck yeah! He picked the wrong damned house man!" Then I'd be skeptical. But the way he's speaking here indicates none of that.
oh dear...hell must have frozen over! I agree with Loki!

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RE: Defended my home - 12/8/2009 5:12:51 AM   
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Is English law really that completely fucked up, Lady E? Orion's actions would seriously not have been considered self-defense there, or is that just your interpretation of how it would apply in this case?

It's a different culture so I don't know why people compare the two.

Gun ownership is out and out illegal here so any lay person can assume what the outcome would have been here. Even if he'd had bludgeoned him to death with a hammer it would still be investigated extensively and he would probably have been charged but charges may then have been dropped later depending on if the CPS thought there was a case to answer and with enough evidence to convict. They don't really care about moral arguing, just about assessing if there is enough evidence to convict someone (anyone) of a crime.

As I say time and time again the best advantage of having a blanket policy on gun ownership is that anyone caught with a gun has a case to answer which can't be easily mitigated out of by a lawyer; there are no grey areas. People see this issue in this two dimensional way not thinking about all the criminals in America that get caught with guns but the charges that stick to such people are minimal because their lawyers can argue all these irrelevant facts about their constitutional rights. So usually what proponents of gun ownership bring up time and time again instead are the situations involving a home invader. The fact the home invader has this gun seems to be secondary (in the US) to the crime of invading the home in the first place. So it doesn't really matter if the criminal has a gun it's just more important what he is doing with this gun at the time.

The UK has this emphasis where the crime itself would be secondary to the act of possessing a gun thus the criminal knows committing crimes with guns means much harsher sentencing. Which is why gun crimes in the UK are currently restricted to those numpties that do it for status or protection from other gangs rather than those that plan and organise theft of property etc.


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RE: Defended my home - 12/8/2009 5:18:47 AM   
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I've read this entire thread.  This is what I have learned.

1) As a responsible gun owner, I really need to take the time to go to the gun range regularly. 
2) I cannot read anyone's mind.  I have no way to determine the mental state of an intruder in my home but I can safely assume that it is not to place copies of the bible in my night-stand.  I can only assume that an intruder does not have my best interests in mind.
3) Do what I can to better secure doors and windows.
4) Buy one of these!  http://www.taurususa.com/video-theJudge.cfm  In the heat of the moment even a great marksman can miss.  This tool could help compensate.

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RE: Defended my home - 12/8/2009 5:24:43 AM   
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4) Buy one of these!  http://www.taurususa.com/video-theJudge.cfm  In the heat of the moment even a great marksman can miss.  This tool could help compensate.


Ohhhhh nice. I'll take one for Christmas please. (Can I get a holster with that?)


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RE: Defended my home - 12/8/2009 5:36:23 AM   
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I am going to try to ignore all of the highly emotional personal attacks that are being thrown at me from this point in the thread and focus on the facts at hand, which include the fact that, as rml pointed out earlier in the thread, another home intruder was less severely injured in that same part of Georgia aroundthe same date as in Orion The Wolf's story and it made the news big time.

Because things like this do make the news. Its inconvenient for Orion The Wolf and his fan club, but its true.


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Well going by your logic, my friends brother-in-law who rammed his car into a tree the night before he was supposed to go back to Iraq, never died? Because I looked online and there was NO story about it. Now certainly a service member who is killed back in the states while on leave is newsworthy, right? So no story, no tragedy.

And my friend who killed himself at the beginning of the year, I couldn't find a story online about that either. Wouldn't you think finding a coworker dead at his desk would be news?  I guess it didn't happen either. Thank God, his family will be real happy to hear that.

As for this particular incident, around here people getting shot isn't news. Maybe if he had died, it might have gotten something, but just injured. Sorry but gang connected or not, it just isn't big news. People get shot in the Detroit area on a regular basis. The only time it is news, is if it kills someone important or a reporter thinks he can score big points with it somehow.



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