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Lockit -> RE: Defended my home (12/8/2009 3:51:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig Fair enough indeed [:)]. We can call a truce.While we both would like to see no illegal guns, I personally would like to see no legal guns as well. I have managed to get by for 50 years without ever once needing a gun, and I presently live in one of the roughest parts of my town, and have lived downtown for the last 25 years. Walk the same area's of town with a vagina and I bet you might think about carrying a gun.

ladynlord -> RE: Defended my home (12/8/2009 4:01:04 PM)
Now that Hello Kitty AR-15 is cool! The perp / home invader/ outlaw will laugh his ass off...till the full metal jackets start flying!!!! And while I am at it...I used the term "outlaw" on purpose. When he breaks into My home, he is from that point forward, OUTSIDE THE LAW and is no longer afforded the protections that civilized citizens are entitled too.....at least not by Me! And if ARPIG is successful in taking away all guns ["I personally would like to see no legal guns as well"] then I will protect My family and My "stuff" with a sword ... like that guy did a few months back. Of course he too was vilified for taking such brutal action against the poor, misguided, non- threatening burglar on his property.

Aynne88 -> RE: Defended my home (12/8/2009 4:02:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: Fair enough Sir.... We just see this differently. Would i love to see no illegal guns? Yes of course. Fair enough indeed [:)]. We can call a truce.While we both would like to see no illegal guns, I personally would like to see no legal guns as well. I have managed to get by for 50 years without ever once needing a gun, and I presently live in one of the roughest parts of my town, and have lived downtown for the last 25 years. Well, it's not illegal guns that bother me it's lllegal owners. I haven't managed to get by my 43 years without one, I have had to pull one once at a would be home intruder situation, nothing like Orion's, thank god, but I was quite glad to have it there, loaded and ready. Why are we blaming a piece of equipment instead of the parasitic idiots that misuse them? I hate the NRA as much as I hate them by the way, I am a liberal democrat just for clarification. What I am not is a victim of rape or home invasion though. I quite well plan on continuing that streak. Edited to add never mind, you are in Canada Arpig, quite different than here in the states.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Defended my home (12/8/2009 4:03:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4uThough I wonder whether or not the burglers gun was legally in his posession. If he was carrying it while committing a burglary, then it was not. quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Seems none of you celebrating Orions marksmanship care a whit that the same society that armed Orion also armed the kid! That's a rather rash assumption, isn't it?

rulemylife -> RE: Defended my home (12/8/2009 4:07:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aynne88 Edited to add never mind, you are in Canada Arpig, quite different than here in the states. An interesting and telling comment. Why do you think it is "quite different" there?

Aynne88 -> RE: Defended my home (12/8/2009 4:14:54 PM)
Interesting perhaps rule, but how so is it "telling"? Are the laws in Canada regarding gun laws similar at all to those in the states? Please explain, I have traveled to Canada so many times I have lost count, I live in Maine, and from my experience the laws are drastically different.

Arpig -> RE: Defended my home (12/8/2009 4:19:01 PM)
quote: Arpig, If he had waited in the bedroom and the burglar managed to kill him and his family because he acted as you suggest, what sort of condolences would you offer? quote: Which was right next to his bedroom, and down the hall from his child's room. You make it sound like the family was upstairs and he went charging into the basement like Rambo. That is not the case, per the OP. I am only going by what is in the OP, and there is no mention of children that I recall. And if there were children mentioned, then why not take himself and his girl quietly into the children's room with his gun rather than go looking for the perp.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Defended my home (12/8/2009 4:19:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig Why not simply remove all the guns. Its really very simple... \ How would you do that?

Arpig -> RE: Defended my home (12/8/2009 4:20:51 PM)
quote: I don't see any chance to argue with this particular scenario....other than what I pointed out in my last post.....the same society armed both parties This is probaly the most telling point made so far.

Aynne88 -> RE: Defended my home (12/8/2009 4:21:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig Why not simply remove all the guns. Its really very simple... \ How would you do that? Well come on Panda, make them all illegal, just like the war on drugs. I mean that worked fabulously. [8\|]. Seriously, remove all the guns?

slvemike4u -> RE: Defended my home (12/8/2009 4:23:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4uThough I wonder whether or not the burglers gun was legally in his posession. If he was carrying it while committing a burglary, then it was not. Okay let me be more specific...before he entered orions house....was he in legal possesion of his weapon.Though it really doesn't matter...Orion had access to his gun...the kid had access to his....hell in this country we all have access to firearms. quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Seems none of you celebrating Orions marksmanship care a whit that the same society that armed Orion also armed the kid! That's a rather rash assumption, isn't it? Nah,I don't think it is...just scan the thread...there is more grinding of teeth going on over not killing the kid,while nary one mention of outrage that a young man was in posession of what you just pointed out was an illegal firearm. As a matter of fact...the way things broke down in this story.....Orion was quite fortunate that the punk had a gun .Hell this story takes on a whole new message if all the kid had in his pocket was a screwdriver. Sorry for raining on everyones parade.

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Defended my home (12/8/2009 4:25:55 PM)
As always, the subject of gun ownership raises mixed feelings. Two incidents in my life come to mind that lead me in different directions. The first was when I was eighteen. I was on the subway at around 2am, coming home from some late night fun. There were only a couple of people on the train when a gang of three young men got on. Suddenly they pounced on one of the riders and started beating the hell out of him. I will admit that I was frozen in place, watching with a sense of helpless horror. Then another passenger came forward, pulling a pistol from his pocket and at gunpoint, held the three hoodlums until the next stop where he told them to get off the train. They did so and the incident ended. I think of this incident and I realize that I didn't care if he had a license for the gun or not. I was glad he had one. When I was twenty one, the brother of a good friend was playing with his twin brother and a boy who had been their best friend since they were toddlers. The friend was showing them his father's handgun. He was sure that it was unloaded. He was just playing around. He shot one of the twins who died on the spot. When I think of this I don't much care if the owner of the gun had a license or twenty licenses. I only know that if he hadn't had a gun he did not take proper care off, three lives wouldn't have been destroyed. Now comes this tale of Orion. I hear this and I am glad he had a gun and was able to defend himself and his loved one. But I also wonder if guns were a bit harder to get, if the intruder might not have had one as well, and if that was the case, if he might have been a bit less eager to break into someone else's home. It is a complicated situation. I am only sorry that everyone seems to have decided it needs a simple answer.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Defended my home (12/8/2009 4:26:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aynne88 quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig Why not simply remove all the guns. Its really very simple... \ How would you do that? Well come on Panda, make them all illegal, just like the war on drugs. I mean that worked fabulously. [8\|]. Seriously, remove all the guns? Yeah, I hear this argument all the time - "well, just get rid of all the guns, and the problem will be solved!" But I have never yet heard anyone explain how the heck they'd accomplish that. I'd sincerely love to have someone tell me how they'd do it. Until someone offers even a reasonably persuasive explanation of how that would work, I'm going to continue to simply dismiss the argument out of hand whenever it pops up.

Arpig -> RE: Defended my home (12/8/2009 4:27:57 PM)
quote: Arpig, They should just ban illegal drugs because that is the real source of all this violence! And I notice you haven't answered what you would say to the man who followed your advice but found his entire family raped and killed because what he thought might be a troubled teenager was instead a disturbed sociopath. The man who followed my advice would have called the police immediately, and then made certain his family was defended, rather than go sneaking around with a loaded gun playing at being a hero. he's damned lucky he didn't get shot and then where would the family have been. there are 2 points at issue here. »1: Guns period. if guns were removed from the scenario it would be far less dangerous. I already know the arguements against my position on guns, however if mere possession of a gun were made a felony with a hefty minimum sentence you wouldn't have every punk-ass kid carrying guns...it works in most countries »2: His actions. I find them irresponsible. he made no effort to secure the safety of his family before he went off hunting the guy down, If it had of been some psychopath rather than a dumb teen he likely would be dead right now, Before you expand the parameters of the situation beyond all recognition to try prove your point kindly think through the ramifications of said expansion. A raging psychopath would have killed him in his bed well before rummaging through the stuff in the storeroom.

slvemike4u -> RE: Defended my home (12/8/2009 4:29:06 PM)
Well how about we just stop manufacturing the fucking things.....you know all journeys start with a simple step!

DesFIP -> RE: Defended my home (12/8/2009 4:35:13 PM)
I won't fault Orion for risking his life when he chose to go mano a mano with the intruder. I do fault him for risking his wife and child, father and handicapped mother's lives. He was upstairs, the intruder was downstairs. He could much more safely have called told his wife to call 911, while he locked the basement door. And stood back watching the door in case the intruder managed to break it down. Had the intruder not been a troubled teen, but someone hardened in killing, Orion could have woken up in the hospital a day later to discover his child had been wounded, his wife pistol whipped and raped, his father or mother dead. If that scenario had occurred, as it all too often does, would everyone then be arguing he did the sensible thing? He waited several minutes before calling the police, despite having the numbers of several neighbors who are law enforcement and who could have been there inside of two minutes. The same two minutes he spent listening and determining the whereabouts of the intruder.

Arpig -> RE: Defended my home (12/8/2009 4:35:31 PM)
quote: You're back to making wishes again. It won't ever happen. Try sticking to reality, please. I don't know stef, its happened in many countries, why not here? quote: For some it's the main reason, for many others, it's not. I shoot because I enjoy shooting and it's a fun way to spend an afternoon. It also has the added benefit to be a good skill for protection. So that's a win-win situation. So, as far as you are concerned the main reason to allow people to own guns is because its fun to shoot things with those guns???? quote: Didn't we already cover this? You can't un-ring a bell. It's not going to happen. As I pointed out a few lines above, it has happened in other countries so it can happen anywhere, it just takes the political will to do what is right...granted that is something in very short supply quote: This is simply too inane to answer. Really, why is it inane to assume that somebody going hunting doesn't require more than a few rounds. I find it far more inane to state that somebody planning to go shot 1 deer needs an unlimited amount of ammo. quote: The only "facts" you present are that you don't like firearms and they should all go away. You're right, there's no altering that. I wish you luck finding the alternate reality where that's a remote possibility. Send us a postcard. The facts are that the OP took unnecessary risks and ended up shooting somebody who didn't need shooting. And that this same scenario, usually with much less satisfactory results, plays itself out time and time again in both our countries on a daily basis. The solution is obvious, yet you claim I am in a dreamworld for stating it. Take away the guns and people won't get shot. despite what the NRA says, its guns that shoot people.

Arpig -> RE: Defended my home (12/8/2009 4:38:04 PM)
quote: Walk the same area's of town with a vagina and I bet you might think about carrying a gun. Very valid point. I cannot dispute the difference in levels of danger faced by a man and a woman on the streets at night. This may well be one of the few valid arguments for possessing a gun. I really can't come up with anything valid to oppose that thesis.

WyldHrt -> RE: Defended my home (12/8/2009 4:40:09 PM)
quote: I am only going by what is in the OP, and there is no mention of children that I recall. And if there were children mentioned, then why not take himself and his girl quietly into the children's room with his gun rather than go looking for the perp. If you had read the OP's other posts, you would know that he had elderly relatives upstairs, his young child in a room down the hall, and his eldest son may or may not have been home. As for your scenario, it would be lovely... as long as the intruder didn't hear the call being made and decide to fire through the door into the child's room.

Kirata -> RE: Defended my home (12/8/2009 4:42:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u the same society armed both parties As far as I know, none of my taxes are earmarked for providing guns to criminals. So I take your statement to mean that because our society does not outlaw gun ownership, it "arms" people indiscriminately. But alcoholic beverages aren't illegal in our country either. So can it also be said, then, that our society pours booze down the throats of drunk drivers, just like it "arms" criminals? K.

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