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RE: Male Subs Who Want Female Subs to Domme Them. Why? - 12/10/2009 5:40:58 PM   
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Too many guys seem to think that they have a better chance "getting what they want" by "training their own domme'. If they went for one of us experienced ladies we have these ugly things like standards, requirements for manners, and goddess forbid RULES!
Apparently build a bear workshop hasn't invented a create your own domme kit with optional whip action and a choice of leather outfits and boots.

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RE: Male Subs Who Want Female Subs to Domme Them. Why? - 12/10/2009 5:45:26 PM   
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Maybe they figure once they get their hands on you, they'll find the magical Sub/Domme switch...

I think it's located close to the lesbian/straight switch.



Funny, I keep it next to the Fuck/NO switch

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Pretty hard for someone to find the time to submit to me when they are already slaves to the US Government!

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RE: Male Subs Who Want Female Subs to Domme Them. Why? - 12/10/2009 6:29:23 PM   
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Apparently build a bear workshop hasn't invented a create your own domme kit with optional whip action and a choice of leather outfits and boots.


Maybe not but wasn't there a movie called "Lars and the Real Domme" that touched on that subject?

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RE: Male Subs Who Want Female Subs to Domme Them. Why? - 12/10/2009 6:43:33 PM   
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People die from lack of human contact...maybe a little bit of an exageration, but the need is quite important.

Vincent

I'd be very interested in reading any study that documents that as fact.



Mostly, I was being dramatic. Wasn't that obvious? I have read of stories where animals have been brought to homes for the elderly to facilitate touch and petting. There is some anecdotal evidence for the argument that humans need to be touched and to touch others. Research studies? I do not know nor do I claim such. Just a reach for empathy. You may disagree, but honestly not so important to me that I wish to debate it. And I am surprised at such an academic challenge from you.

Vincent

You really shouldn't be surprised.  I'm a curious sort of all types of things, especially those things that I have strong opinions about.  Floating around on various threads, you may find that I have a very stringent definition of the word need, being based on those things that support life.  All things after that are wants of varying degrees.  If you were able to show Me evidence to the contrary, I would have been very interested.


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RE: Male Subs Who Want Female Subs to Domme Them. Why? - 12/10/2009 6:44:47 PM   
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Pretty hard for someone to find the time to submit to me when they are already slaves to the US Government!

That one I'm going to have to say is a matter of opinion, of which, we have separate ones.


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RE: Male Subs Who Want Female Subs to Domme Them. Why? - 12/10/2009 7:08:04 PM   
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People die from lack of human contact...maybe a little bit of an exageration, but the need is quite important.

Vincent

I'd be very interested in reading any study that documents that as fact.



Mostly, I was being dramatic. Wasn't that obvious? I have read of stories where animals have been brought to homes for the elderly to facilitate touch and petting. There is some anecdotal evidence for the argument that humans need to be touched and to touch others. Research studies? I do not know nor do I claim such. Just a reach for empathy. You may disagree, but honestly not so important to me that I wish to debate it. And I am surprised at such an academic challenge from you.

Vincent

You really shouldn't be surprised.  I'm a curious sort of all types of things, especially those things that I have strong opinions about.  Floating around on various threads, you may find that I have a very stringent definition of the word need, being based on those things that support life.  All things after that are wants of varying degrees.  If you were able to show Me evidence to the contrary, I would have been very interested.



You stirred my own curiosity in turn so I found the following. It is anecdotal and i cannot vouche in any way for its truthfulness considering the source is some web page i have never seen before and i have not closely examined for credentials, but it is a start in the direction for which you inquired. Here first is part of the page and then the source. I am not prepared to defend it but it seems interesting.

"There is a biological need for touch, an actual hunger for touch that can be met only in contact with another human being. This was first discovered during the nineteenth century, when children who had been abandoned at birth and transferred to foundling homes died by the thousands. They literally wasted away, despite the fact that they were fed, kept clean, and protected from danger. The condition, known as marasmus (from the Greek, meaning "wasting away"), claimed the lives of nearly 100 percent of the infants under the age of one in U.S. foundling hospitals as late as 1920. What these children lacked was physical contact. Infants raised in their own homes are normally cradled and fed at their mothers' breasts, but these foundlings weren't.

When this connection between life and touch was realized, doctors and nurses in many institutions cooperated in a plan to supply "mothering" for these children. It consisted of holding, stroking, speaking to the infant, and allowing significant periods of cuddling the child, especially at mealtimes. The results were dramatic and immediate. Infant mortality rates dropped within one year of adopting these touching practices."

The source here does not appear to be very scientific. so I offer it only for starters. Perhaps your research can dislodge more. It does seem an interesting topic.

The article cites a book on the subject. The Human Significance of the Skin by Ashley Montegu.

Vincent

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RE: Male Subs Who Want Female Subs to Domme Them. Why? - 12/10/2009 7:17:59 PM   
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It could be that they want Domme's or it could be they want someone they can train to be their version of a Domme. We Domme's get a lot of "do me" subs and frankly most of us are not interested in them. Perhaps they think by attracting a sub female they can train her to be the "Domme" of their fantasies.

Just a thought.

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Actually, I think what they really want are service Tops and/or life supports for floggers/crops/etc etc etc.  I get right away with these guys that write to me that they're do-me subs.  All they talk about is their kink.  They don't want to get to know someone as a PERSON.

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RE: Male Subs Who Want Female Subs to Domme Them. Why? - 12/10/2009 7:22:31 PM   
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Pretty hard for someone to find the time to submit to me when they are already slaves to the US Government!

That one I'm going to have to say is a matter of opinion, of which, we have separate ones.



Opinion or not, I'm guessing given your own preference over that of the government you'd rather have him available once in a while instead of protecting all we hold dear in a litter box far far away.

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RE: Male Subs Who Want Female Subs to Domme Them. Why? - 12/10/2009 10:02:14 PM   
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The idea that one could die without touch, actually spawned from a study by Harry Harlow on Reese monkeys.  Though I'm pretty sure none of the monkeys actually died and in fact that wasn't the hypothesis as all, it instead focused on, and  proved that primate infants get something from the "soft touch" of the mother. From this study, people have speculated that humans could die without touch, though in all likelihood, I doubt there is any true evidence out there.

We do know that human brains will not develop out of infant state without human interaction, and sadly this has been proven by studying overcrowded orphanages in countries such as Romania.

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RE: Male Subs Who Want Female Subs to Domme Them. Why? - 12/10/2009 11:09:36 PM   
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First, let me preface by saying that I am neither sub nor switch, so I certainly cannot answer from firsthand information.  I am, however, male, and can perhaps give a few insights from that perspective.  For completion, I am going to end up repeating various points that have already been made throughout this topic as well.

First, while it is by no means exclusive to the male fraction of the submissive population, I do believe this behavior is more likely to occur in male submissives than in female submissives.  Also, while I try to avoid the word "fake", because I don't personally hold anything against those who are just looking for the next online roleplay or the next one-night stand (not my cup of tea, but live and let live), I have to submit my suspicion that a large percentage, if not necessarily a majority, of these contacts come from people not looking for more than a simple, short term gratification, be it online or real life.  Another set of the population are those who have developed an interest, and think they are interested, perhaps have even tried some things, but don't have any real idea what it takes to develop a D/s relationship; these are struggling to fit something to the likely vague idea of what they want, but are failing for one reason or another.  The third are those who know what they want, perhaps they have even had it before, but don't have it now; this group, if left this way long enough, reaches a point of desperation and needs to branch out.

Allow me to first address why the male population is more likely to exhibit this behavior than their female counterparts.  (These are going to be generalities, and, while I hope not to give offense, there will more than likely be those who take offense anyway.  My answer to them is that whether it be behavioral or genetic, statistically, men and women are different, and if you don't believe it, go read a few things from the APA.  My goal isn't to start a debate on gender roles; we can do that some other time.  Of course there will be exceptions, so don't take this for more than it is.)  My reasoning is two-fold: (1) first, the male is more susceptible to the dangers of wanting instant gratification, and (2) second, the male is more likely to feel the need to go find what he needs, instead of more passively waiting for something to come to him.

Instant gratification, especially when it comes to physical pleasure, tends to be much more insidious in men than in women, though both are susceptible.  Physically, it has certainly been recognized by the pornography industry; pornography tends to target men for this reason, more than it does women: the sexual pleasure generated in males is more addicting in this way than it is for women.

When it comes to the getting and waiting, a male, regardless whether they identify as dominant or submissive, is going to be more comfortable seeking out what they desire.  I cannot say whether this is due to the nature of our society or in our genes (or whether it is right or wrong that it is so), but whether it be business, relationships, or religion, men seem to be more comfortable in the role as instigators.

As for the categories of submissives who will be driven to this behavior, it is my opinion that very little explanation is needed for those looking for the quick fix, the cyber roleplay or the short term real life relationship.  These are going to be the most unscrupulous of the people sending out messages.  If they think you are attractive, be it physically or whether you appeal more to their fetish or emotional state, they are going to send an message, however short or long it may be.  Chances are, it won't work, but really, that kind of looking is really just a numbers game, isn't it?

Regarding those who have an interest but don't know how to develop such a relationship, they are those who are likely to be relying on their fantasy as a guideline for what they want.  If you are using a fantasy, it doesn't take long to go through any list of dominant females (or males for that matter) and realize what you are looking for isn't exactly there.  This is going to lead to discouragement.  They have probably sent some kind of message to each dominant they were attracted to for whatever reason, but the message didn't appeal to any of the dominants enough to get them taken on.  (Or else the one or two that it did, if they were so lucky, didn't work out, so they are back to the same list.)  It isnt as though there are 30 new people every day to message, so if they are browsing every day or two, hoping to find someone, wanting that relationship they fantasize about, they are likely to run out of people to contact, even if they open their parameters to all the dominants, whether or not they think they could fit.  Pretty soon, they start browsing submissives, maybe out of curiosity, maybe looking for a connection, maybe just to see who else is out there of the opposite sex.  Perhaps they even mean it when they say they are not looking for more than just friendship.  But pretty soon, if you start talking, the feelings and desires surface, and there is the female submissive, someone who understands the lifestyle and your feelings (to a degree).  She is looking pretty good about then, in the face of so much failure, so maybe with a little push they can get what they want from them.

The final group isn't so different from the last group, except that they understand more of what it takes to make it.  They are probably more realistic about what the relationship will be, and about what they might get out of a relationship.  They go through the same process of attempt and failure, over and again, as the second group.  They probably stick it out longer and hold out longer, but eventually, they get worn down too.  This group probably has it easier making friends with submissive females, though, due to their experience.  There is a connection built, and soon, how can they help hope for more?

Let me touch on one subject last of all, that is the numbers of available submissives and dominants of both genders.  Female submissives in my state (Colorado) active in the past week was 125, female dominants 63, male submissives 269, male dominants 386.  It is certainly debatable whether there are "enough" female dominants to support the male submissive population or female submissives to support the male dominant population, especially considering that some of those females will be lesbian and thus should really be taken out of the pool.  Of course, some of the males are gay, too, but even if it were a 1 for 1 ratio of gay to lesbian (which I will assume for simplicity not wanting to count them right now) that still just leads to a bigger disparity in the percentage that could be satisfied with a monogamous choice.  Statistically, is it any wonder, then, that males, be it dominant or submissive, start looking at the rest of the kink population looking for a potential match.

(An aside to all our switches: I am perfectly aware that you are there and contribute largely to it.  I didn't know how to fit you and your contribution into this post adequately.  If any of you want to comment on how you might help resolve the disparity, please feel free.)

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RE: Male Subs Who Want Female Subs to Domme Them. Why? - 12/10/2009 11:20:57 PM   
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I had one sub guy who told me that the way I'd written my profile with blunt honesty and made it very clear that there were certain things that I absolutely would not be interested in made me seem "more like a domme," and so he asked me how much I would charge for CBT with him.

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RE: Male Subs Who Want Female Subs to Domme Them. Why? - 12/10/2009 11:24:45 PM   
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Wow.

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RE: Male Subs Who Want Female Subs to Domme Them. Why? - 12/11/2009 2:59:29 AM   
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Why would they do this?  Does anyone have any ideas?  I've had a lot of these letters coming to my Inbox and I wondered how many other female submissives have that happen.  And they almost always start out saying they want to be friends and by the second or third letter, they want to be Dommed.  The letters aren't from any of the male subs I see on the boards.  It's not like there aren't any good Dommes here.  There are lots of Them.  You'd think they'd know they'll get nowhere with it.  As soon as they start wanting Domming, I just block and delete them.


First off, those indivduals who send those emails are no more submissive than I am, in my opinion. They are simply attempting to create a smokescreen that will allow them an oportunity to derive some sort of sexual satisfaction by manipulation of the submissive

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RE: Male Subs Who Want Female Subs to Domme Them. Why? - 12/11/2009 3:40:41 AM   
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They dont read your profile and they dont care. They look at your profile and think youre hot. So they most of the time arent really in the lifestyle. They just want to get laid and this is the avenue. I mean subs are sluts right?


I think it is a bit more complicated than you suggest. First they make the decision to search Female Submissives. So it is a deliberate selective process.

Vincent

Its deliberate to search for ALL women. THAT doesnt take a rocket scientist.
Though most frequently its a scammer from Guam.

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RE: Male Subs Who Want Female Subs to Domme Them. Why? - 12/11/2009 4:44:55 AM   
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They dont read your profile and they dont care. They look at your profile and think youre hot. So they most of the time arent really in the lifestyle. They just want to get laid and this is the avenue. I mean subs are sluts right?


I think it is a bit more complicated than you suggest. First they make the decision to search Female Submissives. So it is a deliberate selective process.

Vincent

Its deliberate to search for ALL women. THAT doesnt take a rocket scientist.
Though most frequently its a scammer from Guam.


It is quite impressive that you know with absolute certitude the searching methodology used by everyone on CM.

Vincent

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RE: Male Subs Who Want Female Subs to Domme Them. Why? - 12/11/2009 4:51:41 AM   
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Look Vincent, if a man chose to seek me out, that would mean he had at least glanced at the top of my profile where it says happily collared. Which would imply to anyone that I'm off the market. I don't get letters asking if I'm allowed to play on the side. I get ones that read Dear Mistress. Obviously I'm not one, therefore nobody deliberately sought out my profile, I just happened to be female and online at the same time the wanker in question was sending out form letters.

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RE: Male Subs Who Want Female Subs to Domme Them. Why? - 12/11/2009 5:11:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML
People die from lack of human contact...maybe a little bit of an exageration, but the need is quite important.
Vincent

I'd be very interested in reading any study that documents that as fact.


The New York Times did a report on the need for human touch. It mentions several studies and researchers. I didn't Google further to get to the scientific papers, but it should be an easy next step.

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RE: Male Subs Who Want Female Subs to Domme Them. Why? - 12/11/2009 5:21:02 AM   
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When it comes to the getting and waiting, a male, regardless whether they identify as dominant or submissive, is going to be more comfortable seeking out what they desire.  I cannot say whether this is due to the nature of our society or in our genes (or whether it is right or wrong that it is so), but whether it be business, relationships, or religion, men seem to be more comfortable in the role as instigators.


You make a number of interesting points and this is most cogent. I wonder if the ladies on this thread understand that submissive men are no less aggressive in seeking a mate than so-called dominants. It is the nature of the gender for whatever reason for men to seek assertively whereas submissive/dominance are styles of interaction within the relationship. Even within the relationship a submissive man is not necessarily passive, and some Dommes are possibly surprised by that.




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Let me touch on one subject last of all, that is the numbers of available submissives and dominants of both genders. Female submissives in my state (Colorado) active in the past week was 125, female dominants 63, male submissives 269, male dominants 386. It is certainly debatable whether there are "enough" female dominants to support the male submissive population or female submissives to support the male dominant population, especially considering that some of those females will be lesbian and thus should really be taken out of the pool.


And also consider my earlier remarks that many of the female dominants one encounters on the list are not seeking life mates but are professional of one stripe or another, and so the available pool shrinks even further if one is seeking a relationship. I would suggest the OP is mistaken when she says there are plenty of good dommes out there.

I would also suggest that if the OP wishes to avoid her frustration she simply not reply to letters from men of an s-type persuasion in the first place. The designation by color is quite clear in her inbox and a quick look at his Profile will confirm his desires. If it bothers you then avoid the trap and delete immediately. Seems simple enough. But perhaps it was more fun to have a tiny rant at submissive men.

Vincent


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RE: Male Subs Who Want Female Subs to Domme Them. Why? - 12/11/2009 5:28:10 AM   
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Look Vincent, if a man chose to seek me out, that would mean he had at least glanced at the top of my profile where it says happily collared. Which would imply to anyone that I'm off the market. I don't get letters asking if I'm allowed to play on the side. I get ones that read Dear Mistress. Obviously I'm not one, therefore nobody deliberately sought out my profile, I just happened to be female and online at the same time the wanker in question was sending out form letters.


Look Des ~~smiles~~ I don't doubt there are wankers and spamers on the other side. I am puzzled to know why you or the OP would even open mail in your inbox designated light blue. Seems simple enough to delete before opening and save yourself the frustration of confronting unwanted solicitations.

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RE: Male Subs Who Want Female Subs to Domme Them. Why? - 12/11/2009 5:36:29 AM   
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Look Des ~~smiles~~ I don't doubt there are wankers and spamers on the other side. I am puzzled to know why you or the OP would even open mail in your inbox designated light blue. Seems simple enough to delete before opening and save yourself the frustration of confronting unwanted solicitations.


People do go and check your profile based on things you post here. If I see something interesting and articulate from someone posting on the forums, I may be moved to go to their profile to learn more about who they are. And if their profile then sparks a comment, I may send mail. In my case, it's always chit-chat, not a come-on, but there's at least one reason to read mail from people other than whatever type you are looking for.

I figure that if my profile is extremely clear that I AM NOT LOOKING that I should have some reasonable expectation of not getting these numbnuts posting to me asking me to domme them or submit to them or whatever. Of course, that expectation turns out to be unreasonable. But I do occasionally get conversational email from other people I'd not want to delete unread!

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