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LadyHibiscus -> RE: Sisterhood (12/23/2009 9:17:38 PM)
As long as you are telling true stories, sweetie!

Andalusite -> RE: Sisterhood (12/26/2009 2:22:38 PM)
I don't have any problem with an organization using sister or brother in their name, but I don't take it any more seriously than I do Big Brothers/Big Sisters or Job's Daughters. I do get a little creeped out by the "sister slave" thing when the slaves in question are actually sexually involved, though. I do tend to be closer to my male friends than my female friends, but I have some good female friends as well. I know some women who are catty/bitchy, but many who aren't that way at all.

DommeMae -> RE: Sisterhood (12/26/2009 4:45:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiquy Get over yourself. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika Might I remind you that you are in the Ask A Mistress section of the boards. Your intolerance isn't welcome. Show us that you are worthy of the title Dominant and be an example of good behaviour. Otherwise, I would kindly request that you leave. I rest my case. quote: ORIGINAL: domiquy Men and women are different. Women will say over twice as man ywords as a man in her lifetime. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika Do you have any data to back up that broad sweeping statement? Just because you say it doesn't make it true. In fact, I know my share of chatterbox men and silent women. quote: ORIGINAL: domiquy It's a fact. Yeah, guys can be dicks and cocksuckers. But across the board men get along better with men than women do with other women. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika It's a fact? You have no data to back this up. You only have your skewed perception of the world which is not a fact. It's an opinion. quote: ORIGINAL: domiquy All of the women that I have dated in my life get along better with men than women. They just think that women tend to be too big of cunts, on the whole or hole. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika Ah now we are getting to the crux of the issue. All the women you've dated in your life. Seems to me that a man with such a low opinion of women would attract women with a low opinion of themselves. Generally, women with low opinions of themselves will be catty with others out of insecurity. I agree with your assessment. I've always felt we get back what we put out ~ what we feel inside, we will find outside. I dare to say there's a lot of misogynistic metamessages in his posts. (Oh, no you dint!)

Jeffff -> RE: Sisterhood (12/26/2009 4:49:07 PM)
It is good to know that after 3 posts, and being here for a week, you have such keen insight. You are amazing! Jeffwey

LadyAngelika -> RE: Sisterhood (12/26/2009 4:58:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff It is good to know that after 3 posts, and being here for a week, you have such keen insight. You are amazing! Jeffwey Jeff, You have to admit that all Domiguy shows us is this side of him. He might be a cool guy, he might be here just to push our buttons and get a rise out of us. The reality is that you only have one chance to make a first impression and he's made a very nasty one for himself in mine and other people's eyes. He can live with the consequences of his words. - LA

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Sisterhood (12/26/2009 5:04:04 PM)
Domi has LOTS of friends, LA, so maybe it IS just us being all notamused. Oh well! I think it is VERY clear that he is not a friend of women, especially the dominant ones, in his online persona. At first, I was okay with his humor, but yanno? A person really cannot just generate the level of ugliness that he spews unless there is genuine truth behind it. Perhaps I am wrong, and he is all kitten-soft sweet and lovely but I am inclined to doubt it. My question remains---WHY do people like him come over to our zone? I can avoid dog shit on the sidewalk, I can avoid him---and I have a pretty equal response to both. Just move on by, it's the only solution.

Jeffff -> RE: Sisterhood (12/26/2009 5:04:21 PM)
LA, I know. I gave pause before responding. The thing is, he doessometimes post things that make people go , huh. And it bothers me a bit, that some one new comes in and just starts slamming. The day may come when I will stand up for you also...:)... like it or not. People deserve to be judged on the whole, not on individuale posts. or... I could be wrong..... Jeff

Jeffff -> RE: Sisterhood (12/26/2009 5:06:55 PM)
LH, you and I used to be freinds, I don't know what happend. But to answer your question, for the same reason the Goreans get mod slapped. It is an open forum, anyone can post anything, anywhere. Jeff

LadyAngelika -> RE: Sisterhood (12/26/2009 6:10:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff LA, I know. I gave pause before responding. The thing is, he doessometimes post things that make people go , huh. I'm sure he's not a total idiot. I mean his posts are well thought out, however mysoginistic as they are. And I've been back on CM for 2 months and absolutely every post I've seen from him to date is rude and puts someone down. So I'm looking forward to seeing one of his intelligent posts and maybe my opinion of him will start to change, slowly. quote: And it bothers me a bit, that some one new comes in and just starts slamming. Well then you should be bothered by Domiguy's behaviour because that is exactly what he does. quote: The day may come when I will stand up for you also...:)... like it or not. The gesture is kind but I tend to be accountable for my own actions. I have more than once apologised on these forums when I was out of line. But as a general rule, I try to be courteous. That is what I was brought up to believe a Lady was supposed to do. quote: People deserve to be judged on the whole, not on individuale posts. or... I could be wrong..... Jeff What we deserve and what we get are two very different things. In this case, based on the posts he's made in Ask A Mistress over the last week, I think he got exactly what he deserved. - LA

LadyAngelika -> RE: Sisterhood (12/26/2009 6:12:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus Domi has LOTS of friends, LA, so maybe it IS just us being all notamused. Oh well! I think it is VERY clear that he is not a friend of women, especially the dominant ones, in his online persona. At first, I was okay with his humor, but yanno? A person really cannot just generate the level of ugliness that he spews unless there is genuine truth behind it. Perhaps I am wrong, and he is all kitten-soft sweet and lovely but I am inclined to doubt it. My question remains---WHY do people like him come over to our zone? I can avoid dog shit on the sidewalk, I can avoid him---and I have a pretty equal response to both. Just move on by, it's the only solution. LH, these are my sentiments exactly. - LA

LadyAngelika -> RE: Sisterhood (12/26/2009 6:13:12 PM)
quote: But to answer your question, for the same reason the Goreans get mod slapped. And you'll never, ever, ever, ever see me in the Gorean section. If I can't say anything nice, I won't say anything at all. That is called being respectful despite differences of opinion. - LA

Jeffff -> RE: Sisterhood (12/26/2009 6:13:40 PM)
Ok, I will give you the last. MagnanimousDom

DarlingSavage -> RE: Sisterhood (12/28/2009 2:52:25 AM)
quote: SO MANY times I have seen them be sweet as sugar to someone then as soon as that person leaves the room/space, they are tearing them apart, and viciously, over some very trivial problem or issue like, a trash not not being emptied when they felt it was the appropriate level of full. I see you've met my family.

DarlingSavage -> RE: Sisterhood (12/28/2009 3:08:06 AM)
quote: I do see issues with women, and their relationships with each other. I just don't fully understand WHY they happen. I am an only daughter of an only daughter. My grandmother lived with us for the last 30 years. I know about women, and the incredible evil they can perpetrate, and perpetuate. What I don't get is the actual POINT. Is it that they have bought into the patriarchal divide-and-conquer tradition? (hey, I had to use the P word!) Or is it some kind of deep level insecurity? Or, are they just pissed off generally? I suggest you read Backlash by Susan Faludi (sp?). It's a little dated but it does raise some interesting points about how women are raised to perceive each other. Even you, yourself, made this statement, "I know about women, and the incredible evil they can perpetrate, and perpetuate." Why do you say that about women in a world where rape against women and children is used as war strategy?

CarrieO -> RE: Sisterhood (12/28/2009 5:25:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage I suggest you read Backlash by Susan Faludi (sp?). It's a little dated but it does raise some interesting points about how women are raised to perceive each other. Even you, yourself, made this statement, "I know about women, and the incredible evil they can perpetrate, and perpetuate." Why do you say that about women in a world where rape against women and children is used as war strategy? Hello DarlingSavage... While I'm aware your comment was posted to the OP, it brought to my mind a NYTimes article that a co-worker emailed me after a discussion she and I had about how women treat other women in the workplace. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/jobs/11pre.html Now, this article doesn't address the worldly woes women face but instead, the day-to-day workplace backstabbing that can sometimes take place for some women by other women. I try to remain hopeful of the reality and not just the idea of a sisterhood among like-minded women to be found.

Lucienne -> RE: Sisterhood (12/28/2009 8:11:21 AM)
Is anyone contesting the idea that, on average, women are more judgmental of/harder on other women than they are on men? Not true across the board, of course, but common enough that I want to see the living environment of someone who disagrees with that statement. At this stage, I think the concept of "sisterhood" is a part of the problem, not the solution. Sisterhood implies a collective identity and duties to your fellow members. "She makes all women look bad," and other similar sentiments quickly follow. In my late teens, I carried around this idea that women owed each other certain things as women. The reality of interaction in college (and cheating boyfriends) cured me of most of that. Today, when I offer mentor-like counsel to younger women I tell them that there is no such thing as a sisterhood, and that your only obligation to a woman, as woman, is to provide her with a tampon under emergency circumstances. Other than that... treat women as human beings. So much "sisterhood" talk is plainly reactive to patriarchal norms that we should be disabling, not accommodating. The point is to be the person you want to be, not to shackle yourself to a group identity based on something as reductive as gender.

CarrieO -> RE: Sisterhood (12/28/2009 8:38:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucienne The point is to be the person you want to be, not to shackle yourself to a group identity based on something as reductive as gender. I think you may have misunderstood me. If you go back to my previous post on this thread, you'll see I compared the idea of sisterhood to that of a family of choice or a tribe of like-minded people. These examples have less to do with gender and more to do with a shared thought, ideal or principle. To me, the concept of sisterhood is the same...the coming together of a group of people (albeit women in this case) who share a common "like-minded" purpose...not simple because they're of the same gender. When I say I'm still hopeful of finding this "tribe...family...sisterhood...whatever you want to call it" I'm saying I'm hopefully of finding a group of people, regardless of gender, to share my time and energy with. These are simply my opinions...nothing more/nothing less.

Lucienne -> RE: Sisterhood (12/28/2009 8:47:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CarrieO I think you may have misunderstood me. I got it. I was kind of responding to the thread as a whole. I originally was going to make some comments in response to the article you cited, but changed my mind. Sometimes I get sloppy with the "reply" function. :)

Underumam -> RE: Sisterhood (12/28/2009 8:47:23 AM)
There most certainly is something to be said for not taking ones self too seriously........grin

CarrieO -> RE: Sisterhood (12/28/2009 8:54:08 AM)
No worries! I'd actually be curious to hear your take on the article. My co-worker and I had quite a discussion about it.

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