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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/29/2009 7:16:13 PM   
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But Vincent, we in the UK have plenty of recruiting resource for these nutjobs on our soil already, and I suspect its similar all over.

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we can only hope our agencies are infiltrating these breeding grounds. But the Al Q seem to be hellbent on some spectacular follow up to 9/11. Of course it could be a shopping mall.

From your experience in the UK, what do you suppose the reaction will be here when the next successful attack is achieved? Will we go off somewhere and fight another war on foreign soil if the enemy is within?

what were this boy's movements? was it Nigeria to Amsterdam to the US? And where did he go to school? It was not in the US was it? He was not radicalized here I don't think. Anybody know?

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/29/2009 7:20:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		He was at a London university for some years Vincent, and even caught the attention of MI5 but thats as much as we've been told so far.

If there were another successful attack? I expect most Muslims here will cringe in shame and anticipation of a backlash from idiots as in 2001. We wont be going to any new war-we have nothing left to commit.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/29/2009 7:28:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do you suppose, Lady Ellen, the Muslim community here in the States and in the UK might contribute more to our mutual safety before the next attack?

Do you think there will be a bigger dent in travel and vacation resorts with ever tighter security to inconvenience travelers after the next attack?

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/29/2009 7:32:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		from what I understand of the UK, moderate Muslims are in close cooperation with the authorites and being funded to watch out for and deter and dissuade radicalisation. This guy got by for the most part because he seemed so normal and inoffensive compared to what might be expected.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/29/2009 7:43:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm pretty sure my thoughts won't be popular but..... seems to me you already are safe. More people in the US in the last decade died of chocking to death than terrorism, many more were hit by lightning. Why can't Americans 'man up' and have a little of the same courage their soldiers have and in doing so defeat terrorism right there? If everyone accepts that there is a real but very very small chance of being hurt by these terrorists and decide to do things accepting that risk or not do things because of the risk then they are no longer terrorized. The people doing these things can then clearly be seen for who they are, violent criminals and the rest of us can go on with our lives.

Just a point but they aren't even very good violent criminals... US street gangs have killed a lot more people than they have in the last decade and the Mexican drug wars have killed more in one year than they have in the last 10 years. Put this all in perspective and stop giving away your rights and freedoms for nothing more than to 'feel' safer. Nothing makes you safe, we all are gonna die someday anyway, and terrorism is way way down on the probable causes. Worry about driving and/or going to a hospital if you want to worry about lethal things.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/29/2009 7:51:44 PM   
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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/29/2009 11:03:07 PM   
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the amount is $195 a month.

the state then puts a lien on your shit.

not only that they send a man to ask your neighbors if you are working- if you own a boat and how many live in your house.



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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/30/2009 4:52:13 AM   
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Two points, Polite.

Isn't it true that the IRA was advantaged by being Johnny on the spot so to speak whereas Al Q has the daunting (lol) task of getting to our shores? At least they have a distance to travel.

Secondly, what do you suppose the reaction will be in the US and by airline travelers if and when one of these "incompetent" jihadists succeed in blowing a hole in the side of a plane and 250 passengers are lost?

It will not be pretty. Any thoughts anyone?


Vincent, yes it is true the IRA ( and UVF ) were more able to mingle. The same coould be said of the July 05 bombings of the London underground system. The 9/11 terrorists hardly dressed like the Lone Ranger though, and still slipped through the net.

If there were to be an airliner destroyed I assume military action of some sort, even if a limited attack such as the one on Libya, would be carried out. Rightly so in my opinion.

Edited to change date to 05.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/30/2009 6:40:49 AM   
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Is that why the alleged suspects who always act alone allegedly attacked the alleged nightclub in Bali, because Jews drove them to it?

Then there was the alleged attack on the school in Beslan. Jews made the alleged "criminals" involved do that too?

There are countless examples like that because Islamic extremists want to rule the world. Their religion calls them to kill the infidel, period.

Jews are just the primary target at the moment, any woman showing an inch of skin comes second, men without beards come third, and so on.


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I disagree. Israel is their main beef with you (the Afghanis and Iranians aside, of course), and they hate Israel a lot more than they've ever hated or likely to hate America.


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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/30/2009 6:46:35 AM   
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Two points, Polite.

Isn't it true that the IRA was advantaged by being Johnny on the spot so to speak whereas Al Q has the daunting (lol) task of getting to our shores? At least they have a distance to travel.

Secondly, what do you suppose the reaction will be in the US and by airline travelers if and when one of these "incompetent" jihadists succeed in blowing a hole in the side of a plane and 250 passengers are lost?

It will not be pretty. Any thoughts anyone?


Vincent, yes it is true the IRA ( and UVF ) were more able to mingle. The same coould be said of the July 05 bombings of the London underground system. The 9/11 terrorists hardly dressed like the Lone Ranger though, and still slipped through the net.

If there were to be an airliner destroyed I assume military action of some sort, even if a limited attack such as the one on Libya, would be carried out. Rightly so in my opinion.

Edited to change date to 05.


I wonder where, Polite. We already have Special Ops in Yemen. The time of big armies seems to be over and bombs/missles take innocent lives.

Some have suggested we go to the Israeli system of questioning each person before boarding. May have to arrive at the airport four hours before departure. The idea being to search out the terrorist rather than the weapon. Might be the price we have to pay ...a sacrifice of inconvenience on the homefront so to speak.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/30/2009 7:03:59 AM   
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We could stop strip searching little old ladies and focus more on Arabic looking men (and Nigerians) in the 20 - 30 year old range, traveling on one way tickets half way around the world with little or no baggage.

But that would make too much sense, because that describes almost every "alleged" terror suspect who has ever tried to attack the United States.


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I wonder where, Polite. We already have Special Ops in Yemen. The time of big armies seems to be over and bombs/missles take innocent lives.

Some have suggested we go to the Israeli system of questioning each person before boarding. May have to arrive at the airport four hours before departure. The idea being to search out the terrorist rather than the weapon. Might be the price we have to pay ...a sacrifice of inconvenience on the homefront so to speak.


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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/30/2009 7:10:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		What is happening with these continued attempts to destroy American airliners in American airspace is always a winner for the terrorist, if they succeed in their plan to destroy the aircraft, they have achieved their primary aim, but if they fail to do so and get caught, the resulting publicity has a similar if not more devastating effect, it inconveniences air passengers to the point where the thought might be, with all the security to fly to the USA, why bother, is it worth the hassle, and sometimes abuse of personal liberties to enter the country. Methinks as one who always gets hassle at airports, the USA is increasingly becoming a place I might not want to fly to for a vacation.

What does bother me about this particular situation, was attention was brought to the guy's increasing US hostile views, even the parents informed the authorities, but he was allowed to board an aircraft bound for the US, my view, the intelligence agencies failed in their duty.  The fact that he got caught before implementing his plan, was just luck on behalf of the agencies that let him slip through this net they are so proud of saying they have. If the reason stated is the authorities wanted to catch him in the act, then they are dead wrong, for they have willingly endangered the country they are supposed to serve, the citizens and property of the US.

The publicity generated from this incident keeps the threat very much alive and there we hear the groans from air travellers worldwide that despite the inconveniences air travellers suffer even now due to possible terrorist actions, there is more hassle to come. Air travel is becoming less attractive all the time, and with that, if you think about it, the terrorist is still winning despite failing and getting caught, the US is quickly becoming a place many do not want to visit.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/30/2009 8:06:52 AM   
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Is that why the alleged suspects who always act alone allegedly attacked the alleged nightclub in Bali, because Jews drove them to it?

Then there was the alleged attack on the school in Beslan. Jews made the alleged "criminals" involved do that too?

There are countless examples like that because Islamic extremists want to rule the world. Their religion calls them to kill the infidel, period.

Jews are just the primary target at the moment, any woman showing an inch of skin comes second, men without beards come third, and so on.


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I disagree. Israel is their main beef with you (the Afghanis and Iranians aside, of course), and they hate Israel a lot more than they've ever hated or likely to hate America.


So you can cite examples of jihadist attacks on America before it started propping up Israel, then?

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/30/2009 8:09:01 AM   
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What if we go ahead and give them their desired publicity, only not the kind they want. For example, we could publicize this last one as the Panty Bomber who burned his balls off.

We could say, "I'm not sure that Allah will be please with his efforts to turn himself into a woman".


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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/30/2009 8:11:16 AM   
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Sure. The Barbary Pirates, of the 1700s are a perfect example.

Non-Muslims have long been targets of violent, even sadistic Islamic extremism.

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Is that why the alleged suspects who always act alone allegedly attacked the alleged nightclub in Bali, because Jews drove them to it?

Then there was the alleged attack on the school in Beslan. Jews made the alleged "criminals" involved do that too?

There are countless examples like that because Islamic extremists want to rule the world. Their religion calls them to kill the infidel, period.

Jews are just the primary target at the moment, any woman showing an inch of skin comes second, men without beards come third, and so on.


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

I disagree. Israel is their main beef with you (the Afghanis and Iranians aside, of course), and they hate Israel a lot more than they've ever hated or likely to hate America.


So you can cite examples of jihadist attacks on America before it started propping up Israel, then?


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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/30/2009 8:13:25 AM   
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There were sprinklers, emergency fire exits, 'disaster drills', and security in the World Trade Center too - just as effective. The difference is in that instance there weren't people trying to spin the result into a success, or claim those systems "really worked" because some people survived, in order to placate a political agenda.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/30/2009 8:14:31 AM   
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Did I write "Barbary Pirates"?

What I meant to write was alleged Barbary Pirates...

I doubt any of them ever had a fair trial.

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Sure. The Barbary Pirates, of the 1700s are a perfect example.

Non-Muslims have long been targets of violent, even sadistic Islamic extremism.


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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/30/2009 12:40:38 PM   
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I wonder where, Polite. We already have Special Ops in Yemen. The time of big armies seems to be over and bombs/missles take innocent lives.

Some have suggested we go to the Israeli system of questioning each person before boarding. May have to arrive at the airport four hours before departure. The idea being to search out the terrorist rather than the weapon. Might be the price we have to pay ...a sacrifice of inconvenience on the homefront so to speak.


Vincent, those travelling from the UK to the US already need to turn up three hours early. This is why terrorists change tack and board flights elsewhere. As for Yemen, bombing a terrorist training camp wouldnt involve killing innocent people. If there are special ops there, getting the co-ordinates shouldnt be too difficult. More so with the use of satellite images.

Sanity is partly right about profiling, with home grown terrorists it isnt always possible though. Wasnt there a few white guys sent to gitmo, an American and an Australian, along with the Richard Reid who is Jamaican ? I still suspect the different US security agencies dont work closely together enough, regards swapping information.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/30/2009 2:55:56 PM   
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I still suspect the different US security agencies dont work closely together enough, regards swapping information.

They don't. Several of them are notorious for bickering with rival agencies.

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RE: The Airline Security System Works; It Really Does! - 12/30/2009 4:33:13 PM   
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