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bipolar man executed in China - 12/29/2009 1:29:12 PM   
LadyEllen


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Status: offline 		The British guy I mentioned last week on one of the threads here was executed by the Chinese authorities last night.

Its really quite sad. He'd been a successful businessman in the UK until a few years ago and then (in the best tradition of mental illness euphemism) he lost it, totally. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder he left home and turned up in Poland, homeless, before somehow travelling eastern Europe into Asia, apparently on a mission to bring peace to Earth, convinced he was the man for the job, and running into organised criminals for whom he was an easy target.

In 2007 he was arrested in China for smuggling drugs, a trip he'd been talked into by criminals in his suggestible state by all accounts. He'd have been executed there and then but for his British passport.

But he was convicted, despite his obvious mental illness and sentenced to death as is the law in China. Despite the repeated protestations of the UK government - which has fractured relations with China, who are not best pleased - that an ill man ought not be executed, the sentence was enacted last night.

For me, the Chinese are right - no one else has the right to interfere with their judicial process and if death is the penalty for drug smuggling, then that is that. But we are also right - it is plainly wrong to hold a mentally ill man to the same standards as those free of such a condition, and he ought not have been executed.

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RE: bipolar man executed in China - 12/29/2009 1:31:58 PM   
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RE: bipolar man executed in China - 12/29/2009 1:33:42 PM   
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RE: bipolar man executed in China - 12/29/2009 1:34:05 PM   
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it is plainly wrong to hold a mentally ill man to the same standards as those free of such a condition

and when someone kills?

I have always a hard time to judge mental ill people. He could travel alone..but not know he was smuggling? Why can they do some things and not others.
How can such person board a plane?
Not sure what to think. I hope he was not killed for the wrong reasons.

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RE: bipolar man executed in China - 12/29/2009 1:36:31 PM   
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RE: bipolar man executed in China - 12/29/2009 1:42:41 PM   
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I'm of the opinion that *all* drug smugglers should be executed.

P.S. hey, if they execute an American in China maybe we could cut all trade and commerce with them!
One can only hope!

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RE: bipolar man executed in China - 12/29/2009 1:43:16 PM   
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RE: bipolar man executed in China - 12/29/2009 1:45:06 PM   
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well if the fuckers bipolar which one got the trainride to bonewater flats? Or did both of him end up getting cakked?

Bipolar's up and down. You're thinking of multiple personality disorder, I think.

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RE: bipolar man executed in China - 12/29/2009 1:50:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		IF bipolar is "up and down".....then it is no reason for him to commit crimes.
Bipolar is not meaning "can't think" or is it?

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RE: bipolar man executed in China - 12/29/2009 1:51:46 PM   
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RE: bipolar man executed in China - 12/29/2009 1:52:58 PM   
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well, it seems hes down now, innit?



you are evil

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RE: bipolar man executed in China - 12/29/2009 1:54:04 PM   
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well, it seems hes down now, innit?

Who wouldn't be?

Justme: I think it's a form of manic depression that's radical enough to seriously effect the judgement. Doubtless I'm wrong, though.

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RE: bipolar man executed in China - 12/29/2009 1:56:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Manic depression...I just read about it.
I still find it not an excuse to commit crimes.
It is not an easy case, but what illnesses must you have to be forgiven and which not.
And what crimes can be forgiven and which not.
Will migraine for example justify smuggling?

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RE: bipolar man executed in China - 12/29/2009 1:57:42 PM   
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If you've ever come across a bipolar person on the up, you'll understand why and how they can be talked into thinking and doing just about anything, if you know how to push their buttons.

Something akin to when youre drunk and youre somehow convinced that youre possessed of superhuman abilities to take on a dozen people in a fight.

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RE: bipolar man executed in China - 12/29/2009 1:59:07 PM   
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RE: bipolar man executed in China - 12/29/2009 2:00:27 PM   
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Believe so MH

If you've ever come across a bipolar person on the up, you'll understand why and how they can be talked into thinking and doing just about anything, if you know how to push their buttons.

Something akin to when youre drunk and youre somehow convinced that youre possessed of superhuman abilities to take on a dozen people in a fight.

E

Perhaps cocaine, rather than booze, then?

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RE: bipolar man executed in China - 12/29/2009 2:04:18 PM   
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it is plainly wrong to hold a mentally ill man to the same standards as those free of such a condition, and he ought not have been executed.


And he was going to bring peace to China carrying 8 lbs of pure heroin, and he was sane enough to have a valid passport, travel the world, get visas, book flights, all that good stuff, but he has been "duped by criminals"? Fat chance. Being bipolar - or whatever - is not a really convincing excuse to carry 4 kilos of heroin, which is a death sentence amount in many Asian countries. The Chinese had no option, would be smugglers must be made aware they will die if they get caught. If he was that sick, his family could have had him committed, they did naught, so my guess is they carry the blame.

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RE: bipolar man executed in China - 12/29/2009 2:06:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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well, it seems hes down now, innit?

Who wouldn't be?

Justme: I think it's a form of manic depression that's radical enough to seriously effect the judgement. Doubtless I'm wrong, though.


No, that's accurate. I had an ex who was severely bipolar. She once turned her father in to the FBI for assassinating JFK, and told some of our friends that I was a former Navy SEAL who'd murdered 3 people and was planning to kill her. Where she got this shit, nobody could ever figure out, but the point is some bipolar people can be completely detached from anything even remotely resembling reality, while appearing quite normal to most people with whom they interact.


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RE: bipolar man executed in China - 12/29/2009 2:07:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Guess so MH, though I'm pretty sure I never came across someone high on coke.

Manic people are well, manic. The last time my friend had an episode he was bouncing off the walls, couldnt sit still, babbling about all sort of nonsense, hadnt slept for days - and difficult to deal with too, as everything I said he would take and pick up on some aspect of it - he could understand what I'd said, but just got the wrong end of the stick and then ran off with it. Factor in all sort of delusional ideas about having special powers or abilities and its a recipe for disaster.

When he came down - crikey. Yes, there was the down but then there was the added down because he recalled some of the stuff he'd said and done when up and was sorely embarassed and humiliated by it, even though we all understood what had been the cause and didnt hold it against him.

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RE: bipolar man executed in China - 12/29/2009 2:11:56 PM   
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It's unfortunate that this has happened but that is their laws.


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