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Elisabella -> RE: Misogyny and BDSM (12/30/2009 2:40:48 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Aynne88
Elisabella really, this is a BDSM site, do a word search for whore, prepare for a gazillion replies.
Those average joe's I am talking about are other lobster buyers, so yes, I take whatever measures I have to to win over the suppliers from the other buyer's. I take it you haven't been in sales? Look, those guys run buying stations with bikini clad girls and women in daisy dukes handing out ice cold beers when the men come in with the catch, so they are playing the same game. We don't do that, I prefer to actually pay them more and pay them daily, and actually spend some time hanging out with them building a repoire and if part of it is being "one of the guys" while engaging in some harmless banter, flirting, whatever, then I will.
I don't get "paid more" I told you it's a commissioned position, so if I don't close the deals, I don't get paid. My pay solely depends on my skill. When I am trying to sell thousands of pounds of Maine lostermeat to processors in Canada, which is where the real money is, they don't have one clue what I look like or how flirt, that's a lot of money, the only care about what I can promise and can I deliver the goods, so if I can beat the other sales reps that work for my Man, then tough. That's what sales is, delivering the goods better than the next guy. Closing the deal. It's fucking hard work. Glengarry Glen Ross, best movie ever on the ruthlessness of sales. It ain't Mary Kay we're talking about. Add to that this is Maine and it's very much a male dominated business, well....I earn my money.
You are so completely missing (or rather, re-emphasizing) my point.
You said before that you think men and women should be paid equally, and that you shouldn't have to put up with unprofessional behaviour in the workplace (ie pinup calendars and such).
Then you say that your gender makes you a more valuable asset to the company (sidestepping the commission for a second - if your partner found that 'beautiful women sell the most' is a viable strategy, would you believe it's a valid one? To give hiring preference based on gender and looks if everything else was equal, if he can reasonably believe that she will have a competitive advantage? For the record, I do) and beyond that, that your unprofessional behaviour (the smoking weed) is also an asset to the company.
In other words what I'm saying is that you don't have a problem so much with using your gender to get ahead in the workplace: you have a problem with a man who is able to use his maleness to be considered a 'better fit for a position' even if that means that it would "discriminate" against a woman who might not be as good a fit based on her gender. And you also don't have a problem, in general, with unprofessional behaviour, you have a problem with behaviour you consider demeaning toward women.
Which makes me wonder, if there were some theoretical scenario in which clients were able to bond with employees over objectifying women in general (talking about some singer's butt or whatever) if you'd feel that was inappropriate to do in the workplace or if you'd see it as no different than what you're doing - being friendly with clients in order to increase business.
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