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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/30/2009 7:39:38 PM   
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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/30/2009 7:40:22 PM   
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Loki needs a bloody good spanking, that's all .


Why do I get the feeling if Loki said that a woman who disagreed with him just needed a good spanking, you'd take it as evidence of his misogyny? Cuz I know osf has said similar and people have freaked.

Unless you have genuine reason to believe that a dominant male would enjoy being spanked (and by that I mean via his words, not armchair snarkology) you're just being a jerk, and I have a feeling if a guy was a jerk to a woman in this same way you'd see it as more evidence of 'rampant misogyny' on these forums.

ETA - to clarify I don't think you're being a 'misandrist' I think you're being a jerk, and it's easy to see it because you're a woman doing it, I think that preconcieved ideas make you think that a man being a jerk to a woman = misogyny, rather than just one man, being one jerk, to one (or multiple) women.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/30/2009 7:43:11 PM   
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besides women who have i said needed spanking?

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/30/2009 7:46:02 PM   
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besides women who have i said needed spanking?


I'm not sure what you're asking. I said you said similar things.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/30/2009 7:48:45 PM   
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That's the sort of thing you need to prove up, you can't just assert that it is clear.


Perhaps you should define a threshold for considering cultures seperate?

Are French and American cultures seperate, or the same culture? Texan and New Yorker? Houston, TX and New Orleans, LA? Charleston, SC and Darlington, SC? Districts of London? Upper, middle and lower class? Projects, suburbs, police officers, beurocrats, nurses? Voters, politicians, nobility? Where would you draw the line between cultures, assuming we do not impose the requirement that the social group be complete and independent?

Or do you posit that as a requirement?

Considering, for instance, that the female approach to social bonding may involve the exchange of secrets, whereas the male response to the same might be to see this as being unwillingly implicated in a wrongdoing, one might certainly say that constitutes a significant difference, as one example. We could use the behavioral traits from the articles Tannen has published online as a basis, since that allows everyone access to the background used in debating that matter.

As far as I can tell, the cultural difference is at least on par with interstate differences.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/30/2009 7:49:05 PM   
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Why do I get the feeling if Loki said that a woman who disagreed with him just needed a good spanking, you'd take it as evidence of his misogyny?



Wrong feeling.



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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/30/2009 7:49:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Elisabella
Why do I get the feeling if Loki said that a woman who disagreed with him just needed a good spanking, you'd take it as evidence of his misogyny? Cuz I know osf has said similar and people have freaked.


Funny how that works, isn't it?


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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/30/2009 7:51:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aynne88
Ahhh now I remember.
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2976522/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#2976753

which means?


It means, there are immature people online in every facet of society. I don't let them get me down and you shouldn't either. As you'll notice, that thread is already deleted. People amuse me.


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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/30/2009 7:51:46 PM   
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I think you're being a jerk



Just saw your lovely edit - the guy in question has been a jerk for as long as I've seen him post on these boards. There's even an entire thread devoted to his jerkitude, so I'm certainly not the only one who feels his behaviour's beyond the pale.

And yes, when someone's a jerk to me, I'm a jerk back. I'm sure you understand that particular dynamic.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/30/2009 7:52:43 PM   
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Ooops I saw the part about preferring your women unmarried. Ah unrequited love. So sad. Yeah I might stay now. 


Not even remotely. I don't fall for those who are unavailable yet throw themselves at others. I no longer have an account because honestly, I got tired of the two-faced antics of people who bash me on the forums, and then e-mail me saying they agreed with me. If you agree with me here, do so where you can be seen, like Elisabella.


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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/30/2009 7:53:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

God, these women drone on and on about fucking nothing....This is the worst fucking porno I have ever watched.

Time for Aynne to fuck the shit out of Elisabella or I'm demanding my money back.

Fuck her!!! None of this bullshit lovey dovey shit either...I want blood and poo.


Domiguy I love you you filthy thing.  See? I am so bad, but alas read this sad thread tied me in for a minute. Hang on love, I shall find it. By the way this bitch does not drone on, I get the dirty job done. Come on Domi, I know you know the Springsteen song about the redheads? It takes a redheaded woman  to get a dirty job done? He wrote that for me you bastard. 



Damn, I thought he wrote it for me, but I will gladly share The Boss with you. He has excellent taste, does he not?

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/30/2009 7:54:56 PM   
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Just saw your lovely edit - the guy in question has been a jerk for as long as I've seen him post on these boards. There's even an entire thread devoted to his jerkitude, so I'm certainly not the only one who feels his behaviour's beyond the pale.

And yes, when someone's a jerk to me, I'm a jerk back. I'm sure you understand that particular dynamic.


This is a Batman-esque question now, isn't it? I'm referring, of course, to the climactic scene in the Michael Keaton movie where the Joker informs Batman that Batman made him. To which Batman replies "You made me, then I made you."

I'm an ass because I see so much ridiculousness on the net. I'm an ass because I am a dark, ironic reflection of what I see. I'm an ass because it amuses me to show people their own flaws when they think they are flawless.

I know I am deeply flawed, I've made no proclamation to the contrary. Others, however, haven't been as wise.

< Message edited by Loki45 -- 12/30/2009 7:55:10 PM >


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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/30/2009 8:02:30 PM   
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i'm an ass, well because i'm an ass

i don't blame it on anything but me

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/30/2009 8:04:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol


quote:

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I think you're being a jerk



Just saw your lovely edit - the guy in question has been a jerk for as long as I've seen him post on these boards. There's even an entire thread devoted to his jerkitude, so I'm certainly not the only one who feels his behaviour's beyond the pale.

And yes, when someone's a jerk to me, I'm a jerk back. I'm sure you understand that particular dynamic.


Yes, I do understand that dynamic very well and I'm relieved to see my idle thoughts were just that.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/30/2009 8:05:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

God, these women drone on and on about fucking nothing....This is the worst fucking porno I have ever watched.

Time for Aynne to fuck the shit out of Elisabella or I'm demanding my money back.

Fuck her!!! None of this bullshit lovey dovey shit either...I want blood and poo.


Domiguy I love you you filthy thing.  See? I am so bad, but alas read this sad thread tied me in for a minute. Hang on love, I shall find it. By the way this bitch does not drone on, I get the dirty job done. Come on Domi, I know you know the Springsteen song about the redheads? It takes a redheaded woman  to get a dirty job done? He wrote that for me you bastard. 



Damn, I thought he wrote it for me, but I will gladly share The Boss with you. He has excellent taste, does he not?


God I think I love you :)


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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/30/2009 8:06:37 PM   
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i'm an ass, well because i'm an ass

i don't blame it on anything but me


I'm not blaming you for anything more than just being an ass.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/30/2009 8:09:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: xssve

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Most of the women on this site are marketing service for a sugar daddy, that's not misogyny, it's just being realistic - but if calling misogyny makes it easier then go for it.



What a sweeping generalization....you must be looking at the wrong profiles.

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/30/2009 9:20:57 PM   
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It may be off topic, but.....

I learned about three months ago that a woman I have known for 12 years is Gorean, and in fact we have communicated on a Gorean email list without realizing who each of us were. It all kind of fits now that I know.

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I was at work all day and missed the shouting- but in catching up, this caught my eye-


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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

I am curious -- how many of you who don't LIKE Goreans or Gorean living etc believe you would be able to identify a Gorean offline by simple interaction with them on a basic level of acquaintances or even friendship if they don't tell you they are in fact Gorean and you don't have any interactions with their slaves?
angel


This was far more intellectually provocative of a comment than you may have intended!


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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/30/2009 10:05:15 PM   
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Also, when I refer to the boys on the docks, that isn't his company property sweetie, that is the public dock where the men (and women) bring in their catch, and while probably questionable at best, it certainly isn't anything to do with his business, it just makes the guys have an easier time choosing who to sell their product to and buy their bait and gear from, the average joe or the attractive cool chick that buys them a beer on Fridays and every once in a blue moon has a smoke with them after business hours *not* on my company property, guess who had the advantage? Yeah me. Oh and the fact that we pay more per pound and pay it daily. In case you hadn't heard, lobstering and the whole marine industry in Maine is a multi million dollar business so you can get prissy about my snatch all you want, I'll continue to make money by skill, marketing, and if it takes a little sex appeal and hanging out for an hour or two on Friday afternoons with the hardest working men I know, well fuck me, I didn't create that concept. Besides, I thought it was us feminists that were all uptight and frigid?


This has to be one of the most hypocritical things I've ever read. I read the feminist thread, and was appalled by the viciousness of the "catfighting" and the hateful comments that were thrown back and forth at women by women. One of the comments that had me shaking my head in disbelief was made towards Elisabella by you Aynne, regarding her relating how debilitating and painful her menstrual cycle could be. I couldn't believe that one woman could be so insensitive to the fact that another woman could suffer through serious menstrual conditions such as dysmenorrhea, PCOS, and PMDD to name a few. Instead of taunting or jeering such a condition, you might instead be grateful that evidently you've never had to suffer through excessively painful or physically debilitating periods.
 
I am fairly new to these boards, and wasn't planning on posting in this thread...but the hypocrisy here is just mindboggling to me. In this posting, you seem to suggest that the ends justify whatever means to make the sale. Yet, in the same post, you refer to yourself as a feminist. Personally, I've always held the belief that the key concept of feminism was to promote the value of equal pay and opportunity for equal work and merit. Your boasting of using "sex appeal" to give you an edge with the men you are competing with completely belies and contradicts this point in my opinion. It is just really ironic that the argument over the cheerleading issue was being made that it promotes the message to girls that their "worth" or "value" is based on their looks or their bodies.
 
I happen to be an educator and worked to put myself through college to earn a degree. I was hired for my job as a teacher based on my credentials and ability. I guess I misunderstood the premises of feminism and didn't realize it meant that I should use my looks to give me a competitive edge over a man, rather than focusing on my intelligence and merit.
 
Oh, and I suppose that posturing as an "uber bitch" (based on how many times you've used that expression) and pointing a gun at a camera is supposed to convey "I am woman, hear me roar?"  I don't think that is how Helen Reddy intended it.
 
 

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RE: Misogyny and BDSM - 12/30/2009 10:24:48 PM   
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Most of the women on this site are marketing service for a sugar daddy, that's not misogyny, it's just being realistic - but if calling misogyny makes it easier then go for it.



What a sweeping generalization....you must be looking at the wrong profiles.


So all you need is love huh? Lol.

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