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Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, your E... - 12/31/2009 10:38:04 AM

LadyAngelika

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A conversation with friends recently over dinner had us talking about our choices and identities and what motivated them.

So let me bring this to WIITWD. I ask the following questions: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, your Ego or your Super-Ego?

For the sake of this discussion, I'll use an interpretation of Freud's definition taken from our friends at Wikipedia. Feel free to provide another definition, please! Feel free to bash Freud's structure as well as I'm not his biggest fan ;-)

The Id comprises the unorganised part of the personality structure that contains the basic drives. The id acts as according to the 'pleasure principle', seeking to avoid pain or unpleasure aroused by increases in instinctual tension. (personal remark: or in the case of masochists, to seek out pain?)

The Ego acts according to the reality principle; i.e. it seeks to please the id’s drive in realistic ways that will benefit in the long term rather than bringing grief. The Ego comprises that organised part of the personality structure that includes defensive, perceptual, intellectual-cognitive, and executive functions. Conscious awareness resides in the ego, although not all of the operations of the ego are conscious. The ego separates what is real. It helps us to organise our thoughts and make sense of them and the world around us.

The Super-ego aims for perfection. It comprises that organised part of the personality structure, mainly but not entirely unconscious, that includes the individual's ego ideals, spiritual goals, and the psychic agency (commonly called 'conscience') that criticises and prohibits his or her drives, fantasies, feelings, and actions.

My opinion isn't completely formed yet. I tend to think that it's a mixture of all three but I'm wondering if one of the three has a stronger influence. I'm very interested in all perspectives.

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 12/31/2009 10:40:16 AM

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Sitting here thinking about it, it's all three and which is more prominent all depends on the situation I am in, who I am with, environment, etc...

No single one is more or less than the other for me. I'm kinda big on balance in my life.

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 12/31/2009 10:41:28 AM

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I am Id.

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 12/31/2009 10:42:21 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I am Id.

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Is that short for Idiot?

Oh damn Ron! Sorry! You know I adore you! I just really, really couldn't help myself ;-)

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 12/31/2009 10:46:50 AM

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Well, actually LadyAngelika-----

I was going to actually post this:

I am an Id idiot.

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I didnt want to be seen as joking right off the bat. But the truth is that is exactly right and ok with me.........I am 100% Id I think in sexual dispoposition, absolutely mindless slobbering snapping turtle gonna get something, and basking in some fantastical warm sun while I am there.

Ron

So, really nice joke, but an accurate assessment as well.

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 12/31/2009 10:49:43 AM

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quote:

I didnt want to be seen as joking right off the bat. But the truth is that is exactly right and ok with me.........I am 100% Id I think in sexual dispoposition, absolutely mindless slobbering snapping turtle gonna get something, and basking in some fantastical warm sun while I am there.

You totally under estimate yourself I think...

But ok, we have one well balanced trio and one Id. Next? Ha ha ha!!

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 12/31/2009 10:56:19 AM

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Personality type, I'd say it is mostly this.

The Ego acts according to the reality principle; i.e. it seeks to please the id’s drive in realistic ways that will benefit in the long term rather than bringing grief. The Ego comprises that organised part of the personality structure that includes defensive, perceptual, intellectual-cognitive, and executive functions. Conscious awareness resides in the ego, although not all of the operations of the ego are conscious. The ego separates what is real. It helps us to organise our thoughts and make sense of them and the world around us.

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 12/31/2009 11:01:05 AM

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This one caused me to think a bit. No it didn't hurt..:)

I would have to say Ego. I tend to proceed in a measured manner.

Till my motherfucking Id jumps in. Thennall bets are off!

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 12/31/2009 11:04:02 AM

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Super-ego

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 12/31/2009 11:07:50 AM

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I'm more id pro quo with some idso facto mixed in....but I didn't see that as one of the options..

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 12/31/2009 11:55:04 AM

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Bashing Freud

slave to the super-ego

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 12/31/2009 12:06:37 PM

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It has to do with all three. It derives from the id, is channeled through the ego, and refined by the super-ego. That is to say, it's a primal, innate characteristic that (over the years) I have learned to integrate into my daily life, and constantly strive to understand and apply more effectively to my personal relationships.

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 12/31/2009 12:11:38 PM

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I would say...the ID drives you there, the Ego makes sure the trip is safe and the SuperEgo decides whether the trip should continue.

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 12/31/2009 12:43:04 PM

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I basically see things as the ego, that which controls our conscious mind, the unconscious, that which is a divine guiding light and the superconscious/God aspect within us. Since i am more focus on the unconscious levels and occassionally the superconscious level, i tend to work from the orders of the superconscious brought through the unconscious. i am aware of my ego, and use it to make sure that my basic needs are met, but will not let it guide me in my life journey. To explain, it was the super-conscious (Goddess Force) who instructed the unconscious to enter the world of the submissive, and the ego is use for daily survival. But the unconscious is what directs me in honoring the Goddess Force (superconscious), and has the most control over me in regards to living this life and path I am on. I hope that made sense:)

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 12/31/2009 1:11:28 PM

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quote:

an interpretation of Freud's definition

These definitions have been well and truly superseded... I suppose it is an intellectual exercise, asking people to define themselves in non-existing categories.

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 12/31/2009 1:44:55 PM

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First, to all, great answers to date! :-)

quote:

ORIGINAL: antipode

quote:

an interpretation of Freud's definition

These definitions have been well and truly superseded... I suppose it is an intellectual exercise, asking people to define themselves in non-existing categories.

By all means, please go ahead and present another perspective! I'm rather interested in reading it. I don't claim to be an expert in psychology as I've only taken psych classes as electives during my undergrad and had some basic psych components to some grad school classes. So I'm totally open to learning, as I'm sure are many others.

- LA

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 12/31/2009 1:46:29 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

Super-ego

Can I ask why, since you are the only one to date focussing on super-ego but have provided no rationale.

- LA

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 12/31/2009 1:49:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: wisdomtogive

i am aware of my ego, and use it to make sure that my basic needs are met, but will not let it guide me in my life journey.

*nod* I definitely agree with this. I remember reading somewhere that "nature designed us to be mediocre in order to survive," and, although the source was meant to be one of those "motivational" type documents, I think that it is quite apt. This mediocrity can perhaps be seen as the Ego at work - although more developed than the Id (the Ego having the ability to rationalize, problem solve, etc), the purpose, I think, of the Ego is to survive. This survival, though, is a bit more...developed, perhaps, than the concept of survival from the perspective of the Id (sex makes babies thus furthering the human species); the Ego is adaptable to "survive" within the context of the social structures that we have created around us. In order to transcend this mediocrity, however, the Super-Ego must be discovered and used. Although I am well aware that these concepts have been generally ignored or discredited in the years since Freud, I do think that there is some part of us that is designed to "strive for perfection," should we choose to tap into it.

Within the context of D/s, then, I think it would be the "Super-Ego" that drives me. The desire to live a balanced life in a power dynamic supersedes the simple instinctual drives to seek pleasure or to get away from pain, as does it transcend my ability to "survive" in every day interactions with others. What it does do is empower me as a person when in a harmonious relationship, which allows me to strive to be better than what I am now.

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 12/31/2009 1:49:44 PM

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The Super Dick.

Ego doesn't come into it.

Trust Me.

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RE: Is your D/s disposition mostly rooted in you Id, yo... - 12/31/2009 1:54:47 PM

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Its a little counter-intuitive to think that anyone's sex drive would be commanded by the super-ego.

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