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RE: early mistakes - 12/31/2009 9:07:33 PM   
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who are offended by what I say have the problem, not me.  Generally speaking I am kind and diplomatic, but I have become more blunt.  I even swear *gasp*.  I tell people off.  But when I do, it is because I actually care.  If I didn't care, I would ignore them (there are a few people on these boards that I do in fact ignore). 


it's one thing to express yourself passionately it's another to be rude and insulting when doing so

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RE: early mistakes - 12/31/2009 9:09:10 PM   
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when i see profiles that say in big big leters i'm taken/owned etc, i wonder how long before her ass is back here

i don't discuss my personal affairs on here so i don't look the fool if it goes bad


You know, in certain dynamics, you have to jump in with both feet from the moment you both agree to be engaged with each other in pursuing the possibilities of a relationship.  This may mean changing your profile status.  It doesn't mean that you've made a commitment to marriage, or some such thing, it just means you're dating - like a vanilla couple. 

There are frameworks we create and adhere to to show intent, trust, and direction within a dating relationship.  Personally, i have kneeled and stood up again a few times on this site, but i don't worry about whether i "look a fool" - i know that i'm not.  So if my curvy rear end is back on this site again, it means i'm simply still dating - and looking - for that dynamic and Owner/Master that is right for me....just like anyone else.




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RE: early mistakes - 12/31/2009 9:09:58 PM   
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He also said that you could go to a thousand demos, but if you didn't develop skills of communication, you'd never be good at much.


thats all in my journal written years ago

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RE: early mistakes - 12/31/2009 9:11:55 PM   
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who are offended by what I say have the problem, not me.  Generally speaking I am kind and diplomatic, but I have become more blunt.  I even swear *gasp*.  I tell people off.  But when I do, it is because I actually care.  If I didn't care, I would ignore them (there are a few people on these boards that I do in fact ignore). 


it's one thing to express yourself passionately it's another to be rude and insulting when doing so


I quite agree.  And osf, actions do in fact speak louder than words.


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RE: early mistakes - 12/31/2009 9:12:20 PM   
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He also said that you could go to a thousand demos, but if you didn't develop skills of communication, you'd never be good at much.


thats all in my journal written years ago

Maybe, but he's banging Nina Hartley.  Are you?

If 50 gazillion people tell you that your communication skills suck rocks, it is possible that at least one of them is correct.


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RE: early mistakes - 12/31/2009 9:12:24 PM   
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You know, in certain dynamics, you have to jump in with both feet from the moment you both agree to be engaged with each other in pursuing the possibilities of a relationship.  This may mean changing your profile status.  It doesn't mean that you've made a commitment to marriage, or some such thing, it just means you're dating - like a vanilla couple. 


true, but those that rush off with their perfect forever master, well maybe they should tone that down till at least forever has come

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RE: early mistakes - 12/31/2009 9:13:53 PM   
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Maybe, but he's banging Nina Hartley.  Are you?



should i want to?

best bj i ever got was from a woman you wouldn't look at twice

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RE: early mistakes - 12/31/2009 9:15:13 PM   
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Why should they do that?  Why should they tone it down?  Who are you to make that judgment?

That is just total nonsense.  Sure, there is foolishness.  Absolutely.  But so what?  Foolish is fun.  Celebration is joyous!  Shouting from the rooftops is glorious!  Thank goodness there are people that are like that!  Thank goodness people know how to appreciate the blessings they have.  Hallelujah!!!  Do the happy wiggle dance!!! Throw confetti in the air!

And live...LIVE... LIVE...LIVE

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RE: early mistakes - 12/31/2009 9:16:40 PM   
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Why should they do that?  Why should they tone it down?  Who are you to make that judgment?

That is just total nonsense.  Sure, there is foolishness.  Absolutely.  But so what?  Foolish is fun.  Celebration is joyous!  Shouting from the rooftops is glorious!  Thank goodness there are people that are like that!  Thank goodness people know how to appreciate the blessings they have.  Hallelujah!!!  Do the happy wiggle dance!!! Throw confetti in the air!

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it's called opinion

and it's mine, i would keep it more mute

< Message edited by osf -- 12/31/2009 9:17:35 PM >


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RE: early mistakes - 12/31/2009 9:18:11 PM   
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we were both new at this, i had just found out there was a scene, it takes a dom a few years and a couple failed relationships to figure it out


Not just dominants. ::chuckles:: I'll cop to another early mistake (and anyone who has read my stuff will already know this as I've shared it before but it is thread appropriate) .. thinking that I could serve 'my' way instead of 'his' way and that we'd all just be happy campers since I was sooooooo uber cock-sure of my submissive nature. That one took a lot longer to a) see and acknowledge and b) get over serving the way I 'thought' I should instead of the way he wanted me to serve. That one never did fly that well in his household but sure took me a long time to get the point of D/s in his view rather than my own. Fortunately, caveman or not, he's very patient and saw something worth working towards with me and we've been together for .. well, 2010 will see us celebrate 14 years together so somethings working!

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RE: early mistakes - 12/31/2009 9:18:37 PM   
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I think this might be one of them there, "soshul experiments"

Which is ok with me, as long as I am amused.


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RE: early mistakes - 12/31/2009 9:20:16 PM   
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Then keep it mute.

They also have an opinion, and it is voiced. 

And I really like what I said, so I'm gonna repeat it because it makes me smile... and I deserve to smile and be happy:
quote:


Foolish is fun.  Celebration is joyous!  Shouting from the rooftops is glorious!  Thank goodness there are people that are like that!  Thank goodness people know how to appreciate the blessings they have. 

Hallelujah!!!  Do the happy wiggle dance!!! Throw confetti in the air!

And live...
LIVE... LIVE...LIVE

Live Juicy! (SARK)


Oh, and did I mention?  I like purple... and pink... and green!!!


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RE: early mistakes - 12/31/2009 9:20:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

Why should they do that?  Why should they tone it down?  Who are you to make that judgment?

That is just total nonsense.  Sure, there is foolishness.  Absolutely.  But so what?  Foolish is fun.  Celebration is joyous!  Shouting from the rooftops is glorious!  Thank goodness there are people that are like that!  Thank goodness people know how to appreciate the blessings they have.  Hallelujah!!!  Do the happy wiggle dance!!! Throw confetti in the air!

And live...LIVE... LIVE...LIVE

Live Juicy! (SARK)



it's called opinion

and it's mine, i would keep it more mute


forget it...you CANNOT mute such a spirited woman!! Right Sunshine?

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RE: early mistakes - 12/31/2009 9:22:18 PM   
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NOPE, not any more SEXY 

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RE: early mistakes - 12/31/2009 9:22:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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we were both new at this, i had just found out there was a scene, it takes a dom a few years and a couple failed relationships to figure it out


Not just dominants. ::chuckles:: I'll cop to another early mistake (and anyone who has read my stuff will already know this as I've shared it before but it is thread appropriate) .. thinking that I could serve 'my' way instead of 'his' way and that we'd all just be happy campers since I was sooooooo uber cock-sure of my submissive nature. That one took a lot longer to a) see and acknowledge and b) get over serving the way I 'thought' I should instead of the way he wanted me to serve. That one never did fly that well in his household but sure took me a long time to get the point of D/s in his view rather than my own. Fortunately, caveman or not, he's very patient and saw something worth working towards with me and we've been together for .. well, 2010 will see us celebrate 14 years together so somethings working!


to my way of thinking the dom is the one that decides whether a relationship progresses it is up to him ti make the right decisions in the submissive assuming she is willing. so if he chooses badly and things go belly up, i blame him. if he wants to be in charge then the lions share of the responsibility is his also

now to the point sometimes you just have to condition her

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RE: early mistakes - 12/31/2009 9:37:35 PM   
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to my way of thinking the dom is the one that decides whether a relationship progresses it is up to him ti make the right decisions in the submissive assuming she is willing. so if he chooses badly and things go belly up, i blame him. if he wants to be in charge then the lions share of the responsibility is his also

now to the point sometimes you just have to condition her


I generally agree with this but I also have a double standard when it comes to M/s relationships. It all has to be recognized first, though. Himself never set about to do anything other than tweak me for his preferences and that, absolutely, included conditioning me but only to the extent that he wanted me without all the layers and walls. He wanted the core to be exposed so he could ascertain the viability of long term with me. Until I was comfortable showing him who I really was, we danced and played and had fun and all that, but the growth and how much we have blossomed together was delayed for a few years getting there. All of it was so worth it to get to where I'd follow him damn near anywhere ... literally, to the ends of the Earth which is how I got from California to Utah, then Minnesota now in Portugal and soon to Italy. It's been a wild ride across several states and three countries on two continents and the end is no where near in sight. We've had enough downs that make all the ups really appreciated.. a pretty good balance all in all and I'm not the sort who is all romantic and flowery, but I do hope it is a forever thing with us .. and that's what both of us work for .. him and me .. and while we both continue to make the occasional misstep, both of us are the sort that hold out a hand to help each other out when we those missteps cause one or the other of us to fall.

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RE: early mistakes - 12/31/2009 9:40:07 PM   
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Himself never set about to do anything other than tweak me for his preferences and that, absolutely, included conditioning me but only to the extent that he wanted me without all the layers and walls. He wanted the core to be exposed so he could ascertain the viability of long term with me. Until I was comfortable showing him who I really was, we danced and played and had fun and all that, but the growth and how much we have blossomed together was delayed for a few years getting there.



i agree and again i wrote about that in my journal

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RE: early mistakes - 12/31/2009 11:49:28 PM   
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I'm thinking my post was a bit misleading.  It wasn't early in my BDSM adventure.  In fact, I thought I knew what I was doing.  I knew the safety measures, taught them at munches, ran clubs etc.  I knew what I liked, and wanted.  I wasn't a rookie.  What I didn't know, was that I could take all the recommended safey measures, and still find myself in such a bad situation.

He wasn't a total stranger.  I met him at a munch, and spent a good bit of time getting to know him.  We discussed limits.  Talked on the phone, and met publicly and on the surface seemed compatible.  People liked him.  There was nothing in his demeanor, that indicated he was a threat.  He wasn't pushy...or anything else that 'new and delicate subbies' are warned to watch out for.  On the surface, he was great. 

Beneath the surface, he was sexually dysfunctional, and the only way he could find gratification was to do things that were not concensual.  Things that had been agreed upon as off limits.  I won't elaborate.  The specifics aren't really relevant.

Afterward, I spent a great deal of time trying to figure out what I did wrong to have ended up in the situation I found myself in.  It took some time but I came to terms with the fact that you really can do all the right things and still end up in a bad situation.  My mistake, was believing that all the safety measures I'd been taught (and taught others myself) were a guarantee of no harm. 

Upon reflection, I felt as if I'd implied something in my first post that was inaccurate and by omission - untrue.  Just felt some clarification was in order.





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RE: early mistakes - 1/1/2010 1:40:28 AM   
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when i see profiles that say in big big leters i'm taken/owned etc, i wonder how long before her ass is back here

A lot of us can stay in relationships for long-term.  I was taken & owned until, well, I won't go into that here.  Most of the Board regulars, unless they're total newbies, know already.  Anyway, yes, my ass is back here, so wonder no more. 
And hey, why are You wondering about our asses anyways??
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Mean Ass bitch ain't she osf......LOLOLOLOLOLOL


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Believing
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Comprehensive
Honesty????


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Being
In
Total
Control (of)
Him


<shrug>


Works for Me, too.

I love this, LadyP!!! 

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RE: early mistakes - 1/1/2010 1:48:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

I'm thinking my post was a bit misleading.  It wasn't early in my BDSM adventure.  In fact, I thought I knew what I was doing.  I knew the safety measures, taught them at munches, ran clubs etc.  I knew what I liked, and wanted.  I wasn't a rookie.  What I didn't know, was that I could take all the recommended safey measures, and still find myself in such a bad situation.

He wasn't a total stranger.  I met him at a munch, and spent a good bit of time getting to know him.  We discussed limits.  Talked on the phone, and met publicly and on the surface seemed compatible.  People liked him.  There was nothing in his demeanor, that indicated he was a threat.  He wasn't pushy...or anything else that 'new and delicate subbies' are warned to watch out for.  On the surface, he was great. 

Beneath the surface, he was sexually dysfunctional, and the only way he could find gratification was to do things that were not concensual.  Things that had been agreed upon as off limits.  I won't elaborate.  The specifics aren't really relevant.

Afterward, I spent a great deal of time trying to figure out what I did wrong to have ended up in the situation I found myself in.  It took some time but I came to terms with the fact that you really can do all the right things and still end up in a bad situation.  My mistake, was believing that all the safety measures I'd been taught (and taught others myself) were a guarantee of no harm. 

Upon reflection, I felt as if I'd implied something in my first post that was inaccurate and by omission - untrue.  Just felt some clarification was in order.




That post say me something. If you buy and read the book "The Sociopath Next Door" By Martha Stout you propably find out what you did wrong. It is very easy to end up in those situations when it is a psychopat, or sociopath as you call it, you are dealing with.



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