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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 6:32:09 PM   
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for you, me, and plenty of people Ds is all about the relationship, it doesnt need kink and it can swim along just fine like that. but that isnt true for everyone. for some Ds is as much part of the bondage and Sm and those things are so intrinsically connected that its impossible to separate them from their Ds or Ms dynamic.


don't get me wrong, i enjoy kink that is probably darker than anything you'd ever consider, it's that i also enjoy the relationship and put that first

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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 6:33:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wisdomtogive

LadyPact that is why i added BDSM in my first post here, and in my 2nd post explained the mean bondage, discipline, sadism and masochism. :)


Good Evening, wisdom. 

Yes, and I completely agree.  I happen to think they can be seen as vastly different things, even though for so many of us, when we have them all in the same package, they overlap.


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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 6:34:46 PM   
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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 6:35:47 PM   
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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 6:36:28 PM   
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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 6:38:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

If that really is in reply to Me, I'm afraid I will need to know if you intended it as a statement or a question.  My answer will vary depending.


they were added on as parts of the total relationship

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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 6:53:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm trying to attempt to understand you.  I am very pushed for time, at the moment, but I'll give it My best.

If you are saying that you want to implement acts of BDSM into a relationship, those elements can absolutely work for the participants involved.  Yet, BDSM in and of itself, does not need a relationship in order to carry out those same acts.  Folding a person's laundry doesn't necessarily mean there is a relationship, or even a dynamic involved.  For that matter, cock sucking doesn't, either.

I would like to suggest to you that sadism doesn't necessarily mean only physical pain.  If, for example, I put a boy on his knees and have him service another male, there is always at least one element of the BDSM acronym that is part of what is going on.  It could be based solely on discipline, that he must obey My command.  It could be based on the sadistic drive that I have to see him some form of discomfort on a mental or emotional level.  I may just like the way a boy looks, while restrained, with a penis in his mouth.  None of this is relationship based.  It's all about the act.


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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 6:54:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: osf


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ORIGINAL: wisdomtogive

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just shakes her head and is so very glad this isn't so deep and mysterious and esoteric for her. It would give me a headache if I had to do this much thinking!




i hear you...and prayed many of nights to not be, but finally have accepted it and embrace my crazy mind:)



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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 6:57:06 PM   
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now the kink may be necessary for there to be a relationship in the first place, in my mind i can keep them separate, its called compartmentalization

im very good at that

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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 7:12:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: osf

the relationship is a priori, then the kink whatever is added

now the kink may be necessary for there to be a relationship in the first place, in my mind i can keep them separate, its called compartmentalization

im very good at that


I think you may be missing what I'm saying or looking at it in the way that is your personal preference.  If you only want kink when a relationship exists, that's not especially uncommon.  There are many monogamous folks who feel that way.

Kink itself, however, can be just for play time where no relationship exists.  I consider Myself a top as well as a Dominant.  (See other threads for My explanation on this.)  S/m play is alive and well where D/s is not a component.


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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 7:14:04 PM   
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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 7:15:04 PM   
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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 7:17:19 PM   
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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 7:17:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes and no.  Have you ever been a single male top with no experience?  I can promise that not everyone at a club plays just because they want to.

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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 7:18:23 PM   
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Yes and no.  Have you ever been a single male top with no experience?  I can promise that not everyone at a club plays just because they want to.


i've been solo to dungeons, was mostly bored lol

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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 7:19:30 PM   
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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 7:20:45 PM   
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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 7:21:08 PM   
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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 7:22:22 PM   
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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 7:23:23 PM   
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