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Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 12:53:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		has anyone used Operant conditioning intentionally to introduce a woman to slavery?

Operant conditioning technically defined as, Operant conditioning (sometimes referred to as instrumental conditioning) is a method of learning that occurs through rewards and punishments for behavior. Through operant conditioning, an association is made between a behavior and a consequence for that behavior.

I realize that most use a form of this unconsciously but has anyone done this as a planed course of conditioning and how did it work out?

Also has anyone used it on older slaves that may have been in service before?

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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 1:51:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am and have been familiar with the term "operant conditioning" for a long time. I have used such techniques with Carol and, being aware of the dynamic, I could not do so unconsciously. That, however, is not my primary method for encouraging her down the path. For me personally, I find much stronger tools in my tool belt and so tend to lean on those more.

It's worth nothing that there is really no way for me to remove operant conditioning from my relationship with Carol unless I were to utterly hide my true self from her (and what would be the point of that?). When she pleases me, it is it's own reward to her and, as such, carries the weight of positive reinforcement. Displeasing me, conversely, serves as fairly strong negative reinforcement. We've been together long enough that a simple smile or frown accomplishes these things. I can, and do, hide my reactions from her when the needs of good leadership dictate, but to do it as a matter of course would be unthinkable to me.

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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 2:04:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		i'm thinking along the lines of a beginning relationship where you're trying to get her acclimated to serving you and it's all new to her
also i'm into head games, i've always found that enjoyable and as i say it is all operant conditioning but to have a name for it sorta brings it into focus

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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 2:11:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: osf
i'm thinking along the lines of a beginning relationship where you're trying to get her acclimated to serving you and it's all new to her
also i'm into head games, i've always found that enjoyable and as i say it is all operant conditioning but to have a name for it sorta brings it into focus
Again, as I noted, I have much, much stronger tools in my tool belt... especially for the beginning part. Carol was not (knowingly) either slave or sub when we started this. For me, this was in no way a game, play, fantasy or anything else. It occurred to me when I was introduced to the entire concept of D/s that one could use that to strengthen one's love affair and marriage. So I established a goal of exploring as far as we were able. My actions are merely my best effort to implement that goal.

It would be entirely different if I was more in the "play" head space, but I'm just a bit too pragmatic for such things.

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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 2:17:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		i'm not talking about fantasy or play, but with one special woman, when i got her in the proper mood i could talk to the little girl inside and actually get her help

it was a conspiracy of us against her

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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 2:22:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey, I'm not downplaying your chosen strategies. It is not my place to say what would work and/or be enjoyable for someone else. I merely said that I had more potent tools available so I leaned on them because I'm serious about what we're doing so I wish to bring my best efforts to the task.

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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 2:23:47 PM   
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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 2:28:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		This just seems to raise the question of "Why?"

Why go to all this cloak and dagger secret agent brainwashing Svengali voodoo?

Its a bit like saying, "has anyone here ever resorted to psychological mindbending ticks, to get a woman to enjoy sex?"

I mean, there are what, how many thousand women right here on CM, not to mention B dot com and alt and a dozen other sites, that beg to be owned, that ache for a man they can serve completely and totally. There are plenty of women who would drive over to your house and cook you dinner, wash your clothes, clean your house, then spread themselves naked for whatever pain and suffering you wanted to inflict, and end it all by giving you a mind blowing orgasm with any and all openings in their body.

Happily, joyfully, and come back for more.

So I mean seriously, why would this kind of thing ever become an issue?

Now if you could find a secret mind control technique to get them to WANT to spend a Saturday shopping for plunge routers at Home Depot, then thats a different story.

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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 2:30:39 PM   
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inside they seem to want it to happen and like i said you can get them to help with their own conditioning

things that they will agree to in the child mode they won't agree to in the adult mode

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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 2:32:29 PM   
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Now Home Depot makes me drool!  Who the hell needs brainwashing to like a place with all that fun stuff?


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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 2:34:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey watch the router comments. I have a full woodworking complement of tools, including a 2 1/2 hp plunge router (porter cable). Now if I could find a technique to keep guy's hands off my tools and on the dishes and vacuum where they belong - that is a program I would sign up for.

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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 2:34:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		its not a secret if they know but it is still conditioning it's just that they participate

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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 2:35:14 PM   
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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 2:36:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressEllen444

Hey watch the router comments. I have a full woodworking complement of tools, including a 2 1/2 hp plunge router (porter cable). Now if I could find a technique to keep guy's hands off my tools and on the dishes and vacuum where they belong - that is a program I would sign up for.


electrify the tools

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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 2:38:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: osf
what are they if i may ask?
answer coming in cmail...

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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 2:39:17 PM   
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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 2:40:21 PM   
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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 2:48:45 PM   
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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 2:49:49 PM   
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RE: Operant conditioning - 1/2/2010 2:52:25 PM   
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funny how different people come up with similar solutions to similar problems

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