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lizi -> RE: why is money so important (2/27/2010 6:18:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

Well after reading many of your posts and looking at your profile, I think it's safe to say that money has nothing to do with your problem. Maybe you should look for the common denominator in all this. Good luck with that[8|]

Thanks thishereboi for digging this up, I knew I remembered it. Guess the OP decided that posing in front of a bunch of diplomas and certificates while looking pensive would do the trickof getting a woman because he doesn't seem to have learned anything else from his time. here. What a pity, he got a  lot of good answers in this thread too.




Arpig -> RE: why is money so important (2/27/2010 9:50:16 AM)

Why the fuck would you try to get married....I tried it, its overrated.




GraciousLady -> RE: why is money so important (2/27/2010 10:00:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterCharles099

I have tried for years to get married. I tried getting to know women giving them gifts talking to them wanting to love them being a gentleman. frankly the only reason i can see not giving me the time of day is because i'm not wealthy why do these women only care about wealth.


Your an astrologer yet your chart offers you no help? Hummm?
You realize those degrees behind you, if they are yours, does not make you a better candidate than any other person when it comes to attracting a mate?
If your mental processes and attitude is like your profile I do not hold out much hope anyone can have a conversation with you much less a relationship.
When you say the only reason a woman will not marry you is because your not weathy do you actually mean your struggling? If so no one wants to support a grown man.
And lastly, many people seems to be having trouble finding a lasting relationship. Maybe your just no different than anyone else?




lobodomslavery -> RE: why is money so important (2/27/2010 10:51:04 AM)

Good on you all that jaz. You are living proof that detachment from money brings happiness. Good on you, wish all Women were like You
Kevin




winterlight -> RE: why is money so important (2/27/2010 10:55:06 AM)

I only worry about having enough money to be comfortable for whatever comfortable means to me. I do not need a man to give me money or wave it under my nose.

Sugardaddies.com absolutely floors me because it shows two people desperate for a relationship. The man wanting an arm toy to dangle and her for wanting money. Both want something that is measured to me as nothing. There is no substance there. I have a cousin that is like that old men and money...

I want somebody that is fun to be with, can talk to, enjoy each others company even if sitting down reading a paper, have the same basic morals, ideals, thoughts, honest, loving, has a great attitude, character and doesn't feel like the sun rises and sets on them (a.k.a. I am a pompous ass and know better than anybody else).

Having a pompous attitude and wondering why women want money is something that you are going to have to figure out. Why not ask them about what they want? If something isn't working figure out why. Ask questions. How is it working for you?

Change is good. Change what you can because you want to change not because it will get you something due to fake means.

Not all women want money. The want substance over ___________________ fill in the blank..




juliaoceania -> RE: why is money so important (2/27/2010 10:59:37 AM)

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I have tried for years to get married.


I hope you find someone soon...

I
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tried getting to know women giving them gifts talking to them wanting to love them being a gentleman.


This is too general. I know that when men talk to me and buy me gifts and I have the feeling that they are doing so in either desperation or because they have an agenda, it does not go over very well.

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frankly the only reason i can see not giving me the time of day is because i'm not wealthy why do these women only care about wealth.


Now, I know there are a lot of women out there that will settle for a middle class guy or even a lower middle class guy.. not everyone has to be rich to find a wife... take a look around you at all the unwealthy people that are married. So therefore I would logically find problems with this statement. Now, if you were wealthy it might compensate for lack of looks, lack of intellect or lack of a winning personality, but I wouldn't blame complete inability to find a wife on lack of funds.

Personally, I wouldn't want to marry a man that had no prospects for leading a middle class life... in other words, lack of education, lack of a good skill is something that would make me pass a man by. Why saddle myself with someone that has low prospects for his future and lacks ambition to better his prospects.. In other words, if a guy is having temporary fiduciary issues, that is one thing, but if they have very little drive to have better, why marry that person? You can't really blame them, I mean marriage means children, etc, who wants to marry a man that can't take care of the kids in a way that insures they will have some advantages... Blame Darwin... women need a nest to bring the chicks up in




Dominasola -> RE: why is money so important (2/27/2010 11:39:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: winterlight

I only worry about having enough money to be comfortable for whatever comfortable means to me. I do not need a man to give me money or wave it under my nose.

[...]

I want somebody that is fun to be with, can talk to, enjoy each others company even if sitting down reading a paper, have the same basic morals, ideals, thoughts, honest, loving, has a great attitude, character and doesn't feel like the sun rises and sets on them (a.k.a. I am a pompous ass and know better than anybody else).



This.

And perhaps it is simply because of my current life situation (will be finishing university in two months...just starting my "life"), but I would rather start at the bottom and build a life and a home together with my partner than already have him have more money than he knows what to do with it.  I think there is a certain satisfaction that comes out of building a life as opposed to just having it given to you.

But perhaps that is just my naivety kicking in. [;)]




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: why is money so important (2/27/2010 12:08:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

...detachment from money brings happiness.



What a total crock of shit... the only thing "detachment from money" brings is poverty.  As others have stated, it's one thing to be TEMPORARILY in the shit (as many are during this difficult economic time), but quite another thing to be assured of having to wipe someone's financial-ass for the rest of their life because they were too lazy or unmotivated or whatever to plan for the future.

Those who are broke often cry, "Money doesn't bring happiness"... true, but NEITHER DOES POVERTY.  The fact is, relationships are difficult enough, and adding financial pressures doesn't help... actually, I recall reading or hearing (can't remember which) that money/finances is the #1 cause of stress/break-ups in most relationships.  So why go there willingly... with someone who has taken no steps to ensure some sort of financial stability for the future?  Scon those who elect NOT to willingly become a partner-in-poverty all you like, but the failing is YOURS, not theirs. 

From a Power Dynamic prespective, it's always puzzled me how many noobs will view their D-type as Teh Uber Master/Mistress, while ignoring this person can't even pay their phone bill.  Such a person is HARDLY in a position to lead/own another, as they've clearly made GROSSLY INCORRECT life-decisions for themselves, and as such, cannot be trusted to make life-decisions for another... the blind leading the blind. [:(]





lobodomslavery -> RE: why is money so important (2/27/2010 3:24:35 PM)

The failing is nobodies. It is simply life which is shit, nasty, brutish and long. Some people are nice out there but a lot are manipulative and sadly the manipulative ones making the decisions to fire workers are the ones in power. Its quite clear that You have never been poor Sir and I hope unemployment never visits your door. The unemployed are not poor through laziness, they look for work but do they get responses? No and are they appreciated. Damn right most of them are not because of the conniving manipulative and disingenuous nature of those who we elect to lead
Kevin




lobodomslavery -> RE: why is money so important (2/27/2010 3:37:26 PM)

And oh do You want to know why the economy is so shit at the moment? Incompetence of politicians? No think again.  The reason is that workers are being laid off from many companies who are doing nicely thank you very much and making hundreds of millions dollars in profits, despite the decrease in their profits, they are still coining it big. So why are they not employing workers? Simple answer. Greed. Pure unadulterated Greed. They can well afford to employ workers but you see this would put strain on their already considerable profits so rather than compromise their all important profits they fire workers instead to cut costs- another euphemism for greed.  And laughably they then moan and moan about the state of the economy and how tough it is. The reason it is so tough is because A) they are so greedy its not funny. and B) they have no vision for the future.  Anyone with half a brain would know that if you reduce the workforce you reduce the tax take which in turn reduces people's ability to spend which in turn reduces economic activity. But unfortunately companies are run by myopic , self centred and rapacious individuals who think of nothing but the bottom dollar and to hell with the consequences for the larger picture. So you see its because of idiotic company policies that the economy is in the shit
Kevin




lobodomslavery -> RE: why is money so important (2/27/2010 3:39:46 PM)

Added to this we have governments who wish to reduce the dole for the unemployed instead of tackling the massively wealthy who can pay more tax but dont.  In fact if the wealthy paid their fair share we would not be in the mess we are in. Controversial view. Yes. But I am a controversial kind of guy
Kevin




GreedyTop -> RE: why is money so important (2/27/2010 3:50:50 PM)

Kevvie, kevvie, kevvie... *shakes head*




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: why is money so important (2/27/2010 7:53:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

The failing is nobodies. It is simply life which is shit, nasty, brutish and long.

 

 
Bullshit... you just want to blame everyone else for your own problems.  Did you go to college? Get a degree? Learn a high-demand trade (something in technology or medical, for example)???  No?!!  Then guess whose fault that is... YOURS!!!
 
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Some people are nice out there but a lot are manipulative and sadly the manipulative ones making the decisions to fire workers are the ones in power.

 
Waaah... Waaah... Waaah... there you go again... blaming others.  Maybe you got fired because your company was downsizing, maybe you don't know your craft, maybe you think you deserve a CEO's salary with a Grocery Store Bagger's skill set, or maybe your attitude just SUCKS and you acted like a whiny bitch, just as you've been acting here today. 
 
 
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Its quite clear that You have never been poor Sir and I hope unemployment never visits your door. The unemployed are not poor through laziness, they look for work but do they get responses? No and are they appreciated. Damn right most of them are not because of the conniving manipulative and disingenuous nature of those who we elect to lead

 
Wrong again, genius.  Yes, of course I've been "unemployed", most people have at some point in their lives.  But not everybody bitches and whines like you and plays the poor victim when you have only yourself to blame.  What is the National Unemployment Rate right now?  About 10%... so that means 90% ARE EMPLOYED!!!  Got that, Sparky???  And yes, I hate to break the news to you, but some people ARE unemployed because they're lazy, unprepared, or have some "entitlement" attitude, just as you do.
 
 
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And oh do You want to know why the economy is so shit at the moment? Incompetence of politicians? No think again.  The reason is that workers are being laid off from many companies who are doing nicely thank you very much and making hundreds of millions dollars in profits, despite the decrease in their profits, they are still coining it big. So why are they not employing workers? Simple answer. Greed. Pure unadulterated Greed. They can well afford to employ workers but you see this would put strain on their already considerable profits so rather than compromise their all important profits they fire workers instead to cut costs- another euphemism for greed.  And laughably they then moan and moan about the state of the economy and how tough it is.

 
Oh help-me-Rhonda... you're so flippin' clueless!!!  Yeah, all those GREEDY companies... damn them for wanting to make a "profit" (i.e., money left over after expenses) -- the same way YOU want to make a profit (i.e., have money left over after expenses)... BLAST THEM ALL!!!
 
You're so pathetic... you expect to have money in the bank, but companies worldwide are supposed to operate at break-even (or at a loss).  Why... certainly they should exist just to employ your sorry, complaining ass, right?!!  Grow the hell up.  Each company out there represents someone who took a risk... with an idea... and with their own money and through their own efforts and sweat, created a business.  Let's see YOU do the same thing... go ahead, big mouth... put up or shut up.  Take the SAME risks these business owners did.  I'll bet if you did, then you'd hold on to every penny of profit till your knuckles bleed.  What makes you think only YOU deserve to have any money left over after expenses, where business should not?!!  Don't they have families to house, feed, and clothe too?!!  Of course they do... and guess what... business owners have every fucking right to every fucking penny of profit THEY worked hard for; because THEY PUT THEIR ASS ON THE LINE by starting a business.  That's not "greed"... THAT'S REALITY AND REWARD!!!
 
Oh, and given you have no clue about economics... NEWSFLASH:  Out economy is in the tank... for several reasons.  The politicians (through the Community Reinvestment Act) forced banks to make home loans to people who could not afford the homes they were buying... Wall Street scum took advantage of this and created types of loans they knew would explode when interest rates went up... and idiot home buyers bought homes they COULDN'T afford, never should have been approved to buy, and didn't plan for interest rates going up.  All of this caused the build-up and explosion of the Housing bubble.  What we're seeing now is the result of that bubble burting. 
 
And guess what... with all the FAKE MONEY the crooks in Washington are spending/printing, they're creating ANOTHER BUBBLE... an asset bubble; and when it bursts, there ain't gonna be anyone out there to bail us out.  That's what's going on right under your whiney nose.  And the reason why business isn't hiring is because they don't have ACCESS TO MONEY like they used to (for credit, payroll, investment, etc.) , because the banks aren't making loans, funding lines of credit, and so on.  Why?  BECAUSE THERE'S ANOTHER DISASTER ON THE WAY... A SECOND HOUSING BUBBLE BURST.  The first wave (in 2008) resulted from those who defaulted on 3-5 year adjustable rate mortgages (ARMs)... but there were TWICE as many 5-7 year ARMs written; and guess when they come due for an interest rate increase that people aren't going to be able to afford to pay?  THIS YEAR... 2010!!!  Business and banks know this... and that's why they're not hiring... they know there's a pending storm on the way and are doing whatever they have to do to survive that storm.  Got it?  So shove your silly "poor me... they're all so greedy" crap in the garbage.  You're clueless to reality.
 
 
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The reason it is so tough is because A) they are so greedy its not funny. and B) they have no vision for the future. 

 
Wrong... as stated above, they are VERY aware of the "future"... and are preparing for it.
 
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Anyone with half a brain would know that if you reduce the workforce you reduce the tax take which in turn reduces people's ability to spend which in turn reduces economic activity. But unfortunately companies are run by myopic , self centred and rapacious individuals who think of nothing but the bottom dollar and to hell with the consequences for the larger picture. So you see its because of idiotic company policies that the economy is in the shit

 
No... again, you show how clueless you are.  When business reduces the number of employees, they LOWER the amount of taxes and other expenses they have to pay... that's just common sense.  You're confusing BUSINESS with GOVERNMENT.  When there are less people in the work force, there are less taxes for GOVERNMENT to collect.  So, your problem should be with WASHINGTON AND OUR POLITICIANS, not with BUSINESS. 
 
The #1 sector for job creation is SMALL BUSINESS, which is responsible for some 70% to 80% of jobs.  This is common knowledge... but what does our government do?  They RAISE TAXES AND IMPOSE FINES ON SMALL BUSINESS!!!  Ever hear of "Cap & Trade" or "The Healthcare Bill"???  Both are FULL of TAX INCREASES AND PENALTIES ON BUSINESS.  So guess what... they won't hire.  Period.  So again, your problem is with Washington, not small business.  And if you don't have any marketable skills, then go get some.  But drop your stupid, uninformed whining. Nobody wants to be around a whiner.
 
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Added to this we have governments who wish to reduce the dole for the unemployed instead of tackling the massively wealthy who can pay more tax but dont.  In fact if the wealthy paid their fair share we would not be in the mess we are in. Controversial view. Yes. But I am a controversial kind of guy

 
Good GAWD... you think this is a "controversial" view?  It's not... it's a WHINING, UNINFORMED VIEW.  Did you know THE TOP 50% OF WAGE EARNERS PAY 95% OF THIS COUNTRY'S TAXES?  DID YOU KNOW 40% OF AMERICANS PAY NO TAX AT ALL?!!  No... you just want to keep taxing, and taxing, and taxing the very people who are in a position to hire whiners like you.  Guess what... keep taxing the so called "rich" and there won't be any "rich" left to tax.  And who's considered "rich" these days anyway?  According to Washington, it's ANYONE that makes over $250,000 per year.  While you may think this is a lot of money, it's not.
 
SIMPLE EXAMPLE:

GROSS SALES..........................  $250,000
Less 40% Cost of Goods............... ($100,000)

Working Capital......................  $150,000

Less 3 Employees at $25k Per Year.... ( $75,000)
Less Taxes & Expenses at 20%......... ( $30,000)

 
ESTIMATED PROFIT.....................   $45,000

 
Now, is this RICH?!!  Of course not... it's just people like you can't see beyond your own, "boo hoo... poor, poor me... boo hoo" whining. [8|]
 

 




Smutmonger -> RE: why is money so important (2/27/2010 8:07:37 PM)

OP.

A lot of D/s has to do with stability. No one wants to submit to someone who is not seen as being competent. It means that there is a lack of insight, maturity and will if important details get neglected. Let me put something forward from my own prespective. I'm currently fixing up a car I recently bought-eating ramen to do it. The car needs work to be dependable. My day job pays very poorly. The lack of transport to other locales limits my possibilities of making cash. The problem gets solved and you move on. Goals are worthy things to have in life.

So a temporary sacrifice then opens up more potential-including going back to school to get into a field of work that pays better than the next job inline-or compliments it. Current job has no future for advancement. But would I consider taking on a sub at this point in my life? No freaking way-neither the time or resources are present to make it happen.

If you look at a job from a D/s prespective....no one really wants to be stuck in a dead end position with no chance of growth either-or to live in poverty by making the choice to submit. They will probably leave, unless some greater need is being met-very very well.

Movers and shakers in this world have two great abilites. They can create and inspire. They can provide and advance. And not just in monetary terms.

Someone who can take charge of another person's life in part or whole needs to have ability, passion and drive.

But you begin with your own. Never expect anyone else to take you along for a ride-or enable a "submissive" who doesn't also give it 110%

There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.





crazyml -> RE: why is money so important (2/27/2010 11:47:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: osf

money is important to keep poor people from reproducing


Another glittering osf classic. Thank-you!




crazyml -> RE: why is money so important (2/28/2010 12:05:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterCharles099

The most interesting fact about my post is that I only said three sentences. (as I define a sentence) and I got three pages of peoples suggestions and comments.  Now I might be more confused then ever


To be honest, the three sentences you provides suggest a very high level of confusion - Perhasps the suggestions and comments have simply helped you to understand how confused you are?

I'd like to begin with DarkSteven's reply -

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

OP, let me rephrase your post.

I want to get married.  I have tried very hard. Here are the things I have done... I feel I have no flaws except that I'm not rich.  Why do women only care about money?


This is a slightly gentler alternative to GUPSYMAMBO's very accurate diagnosis.

Then you got some really solid advice from lizi :-
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ORIGINAL: lizi

Who are you approaching? Someone gorgeous and talented or the chubby girl who works with you?
Are you pushing for marriage and asking for commitment too soon?
Are you targeting women whose goal is a long term relationship as well or women who seem to want a casual fling?
Are you a catch? Are you someone a woman would like to be with?
Are you clean, do you have manners?
Are you interesting and can hold a conversation? Do you listen as well as talk?
Do you have goals? Talents?
What do YOU have to offer outside of material objects?


I'd add a couple of points from my own experience -

First - You've either been very very unlucky or you're deluding yourself, because I find that very few subs only care about wealth. That said - it seems perfectly reasonable to expect that someone should have the means to actually engage in a relationship - If you're so broke that your sub is going to have to pay for coffee, food, travel, play then you're hardly cutting an overly domly image are you?

Sure, there are some doms with so much charisma that even if penniless they can attract solvent subs who are happy to pick up the tab - I'm wondering if you need to confront the possibility that you're not one of them? (I suspect I'm not either by the way - but in part that's because I wouldn't want to be..)

Assuming you have the basic means to actually participate in a relationship, then I'd say you have to look at other factors - because you're barking up the wrong tree when you conclude that it's "wealth" that's the issue.

Good luck.

[Edited for typos]




crazyml -> RE: why is money so important (2/28/2010 1:05:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

blah blah left-wing silliness


 
blah blah right wing drivel
 



This jack-assedness is off topic - post this nonsense in the politics forum where, if  I could be arsed (which I couldn't), I'd gleefully tear holes in both your arguments.




WyldHrt -> RE: why is money so important (2/28/2010 1:10:43 AM)

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This jack-assedness is off topic - post this nonsense in the politics forum where, if  I could be arsed (which I couldn't), I'd gleefully tear holes in both your arguments.

Crazyml- have you not "met" kevin yet? [8D]




crazyml -> RE: why is money so important (2/28/2010 1:26:40 AM)

WyldHrt... Alas no ;-)

I'm wondering if either of us would gain from the experience though ;-)




WyldHrt -> RE: why is money so important (2/28/2010 1:31:46 AM)

Having read many of your posts, as well as his, I somehow doubt it. [;)]

On the OP, the subject has been covered fairly well at this point, so I'll keep my opinion of the reason for the OP's lack of success with women to myself.




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