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mnottertail -> RE: Science Denial on the Rise (1/8/2010 4:36:55 PM)

step into the scanner please. you're next in queue.

There's a good fellow.......

(aside: EVERYBODY GET BACK!!!!!)

SgtMaj Stanley P. Squeamish




pahunkboy -> RE: Science Denial on the Rise (1/8/2010 4:51:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: philosophy


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

...the point is there has been an escalation in junk science.




....and said without a trace of irony.


So, how about your assertion that the WHO changed the definition of pandemic that was proven wrong earlier. Still no comment from you about that.
All i see from you in this thread is you erecting the most flat earth of junk science concepts, only to have them knocked down by people, followed by you ignoring what you've just been told and moving on to another daft conspiracy theory.

Seriously dude, get help.



No it was not proven wrong.






pahunkboy -> RE: Science Denial on the Rise (1/8/2010 4:54:39 PM)

Obama declared state of emergency.


HELLO?

What is an "emergency"?




mnottertail -> RE: Science Denial on the Rise (1/8/2010 5:06:20 PM)

can't you look that sorta shit up on dictionary.com ?

c'mon, do we gotta find all your conspiracies for ya?




thornhappy -> RE: Science Denial on the Rise (1/8/2010 6:04:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

pa,, here is what a influenza pandemic really is...

What is an influenza pandemic?
A disease epidemic occurs when there are more cases of that disease than normal. A pandemic is a worldwide epidemic of a disease. An influenza pandemic may occur when a new influenza virus appears against which the human population has no immunity. With the increase in global transport, as well as urbanization and overcrowded conditions in some areas, epidemics due to a new influenza virus are likely to take hold around the world, and become a pandemic faster than before. WHO has defined the phases of a pandemic to provide a global framework to aid countries in pandemic preparedness and response planning. Pandemics can be either mild or severe in the illness and death they cause, and the severity of a pandemic can change over the course of that pandemic.

http://web.archive.org/web/20050210210053/www.who.int/csr/disease/influenza/pandemic/en/

Note the bolded part.


then why is there not a level 7 or level 8?

New York nurses had to sue to not be forced.   (they won too)

Why are there only snow level emergencies 1 through 3?
Why is there only DEFCON levels 1 through 5?

See why that question makes no sense?




InvisibleBlack -> RE: Science Denial on the Rise (1/8/2010 6:27:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

I'm really surprised you weren't aware of this. Just what radio station do you listen to, anyway?



Thank you. I'm still laughing.


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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
...all nations fall under WHO laws.  Not US laws.

Here is an explanation, from the WHO website. You may notice that "people dying in the streets" is not listed anywhere among the citeria -

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...spread of the virus into at least two countries in one WHO region...

Phase 6
, the pandemic phase, is characterized by community level outbreaks in at least one other country in a different WHO region in addition to the criteria defined in Phase 5. Designation of this phase will indicate that a global pandemic is under way.


If you read it closely, you may also notice there is no mention of "WHO laws" (whatever the heck those are), or how American citizens somehow "fall under" those laws...


Are all the Whos down in Whoville getting sick!?




philosophy -> RE: Science Denial on the Rise (1/8/2010 6:42:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy


No it was not proven wrong.





...yes it was. You asserted that the WHO changed its definition of pandemic in May this past year to exclude any mention of fatality. i showed you a standard definition of pandemic dated 1998 that made no mention of fatality.
Now, you can sit there and try to bend reality to your will all you like, but it aint gonna happen. The WHO never changed their definition in order to further some bizarre New World Order conspiracy. The site you linked to was factually incorrect.




intenze -> RE: Science Denial on the Rise (1/8/2010 7:22:28 PM)

I have some bad news. You are going to die anyway.

I am wondering how you would react if the H1N1 virus had been more virulent. I am betting you would be begging like a slut in heat for that vaccine. Just a turn of a friendly RNA kept it from being truly terrible. Don't know that it might mutate and do so anyway, right?

Enjoy your day.




popeye1250 -> RE: Science Denial on the Rise (1/8/2010 10:07:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Brain



I am a pretty scientific person these days and if you can prove something to me based on evidence and facts I'm okay with it.


Science Denial on the Rise

From evolution to global warming to vaccines, science is under assault from denialists--those who dismiss well-tested scientific knowledge as merely one of many competing ideologies. Science denial goes beyond skeptical questioning to attack the legitimacy of science itself.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-newton/science-denial-on-the-ris_b_413848.html


Brain, this is true, just look at all those "global warming zombies." They're the real "deniers", if anything veers from their "beliefs" they simply discard it.




pahunkboy -> RE: Science Denial on the Rise (1/9/2010 4:00:28 AM)

You proved nothing.

Each year- inject- just a lil mo mercury into the muscle.  Each year- just a little mercury, formaldehyde, aluminum, and squalene.  as each years flu shot.  and boogie man.

At some point  - those toxins will reach a point where they turn on your body.

I don't know why that is so hard to understand.

But yeah- each year- inject abit more into your muscles and lymph nodes.  All because you don't want the sniffles.

See what happens when you have over exposed your body to these haz mat toxins.

each year- just a little more.


and one year- your body will simply break down.

...and your reply will be- "I did not get enough vaccines".

Just watch.   just a little more mercury.         each year.   this year- next year the year after.


and you be the ginni pig- to see if the cost is worth it.

see for your self.

You wantonly follies to this point- and now you been warned.     So make your best decision.

...you body will be the final arbitrator long term.

I am done with this thread.







SilverMark -> RE: Science Denial on the Rise (1/9/2010 4:38:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Obama declared state of emergency.


HELLO?

What is an "emergency"?


I think the families of those who have died from H1N1....and btw the number is well over 1000. If the same number died from an attack of some kind we would certainly pay more attention to it, but, hey, we'll all skip the vaccines based on your advice, why would we ever pay any attention to M.D.s and Scientists?....what do they know?




tazzygirl -> RE: Science Denial on the Rise (1/9/2010 6:16:09 AM)

The many flu shots available without Thimerosal preservative.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaxsupply.htm#table

Flu can kill healthy kids, and the scariest part for parents is that it's impossible to know if your child will be one of those horrible rare cases. The two Maryland teenagers who died suddenly of the flu late last month—13-year-old Ian Willis of Urbana and 15-year-old Zachary Weiland of Woodbine—seemed to be having the typical miserable, achy run-in with the flu, until their symptoms suddenly worsened. In both cases, the parents took their child swiftly to the emergency room, but doctors weren't able to save the boys.

"People look at influenza as a mere nuisance," says Thomas Skinner, a spokesperson for the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "That normally is the case. But we do see that influenza can kill healthy young people." The only defense, infectious-disease officials say, is a flu shot, and this year, for the first time, the CDC recommends seasonal flu shots for all children ages 6 months to 18. With the flu season running through the end of the month, parents who thought they would forgo it might want to reconsider, even this late in the season.

Last year, 78 teenagers and children died from the flu, according to the CDC. This year's flu season doesn't look to be as bad, with 17 deaths beyond the two Maryland teens reported so far in young people. But this is the third year that the CDC has found an increased number of flu deaths in children who had both flu and a bacterial infection such as Staphylococcus aureus. Bacterial infections can be treated with antibiotics, unlike flu, which is caused by a virus. But the symptoms can be almost identical, so it's hard for doctors to tell if antibiotics will help.

Last fall, I talked with Richard Kanowitz, a New Jersey dad who put his 4-year-old, Amanda, to bed sick one night and never saw her alive again. Her flu death turned him into an unapologetic flu-shot evangelist. It takes two shots spaced a month apart for a child under age 9 who's never had a flu shot to get the full benefit, but CDC officials say that even one shot helps a lot. Teenagers need just one shot. Thimerosal-free shots are available for parents concerned about this mercury-based preservative, and the FluMist nasal spray is mercury free.

http://www.usnews.com/health/blogs/on-parenting/2009/3/2/the-flu-kills-healthy-kids-but-flu-shots-can-still-help.html

Now, pa, i hope you are done with these attacks. the young are the target age for deaths. You telling anyone that... because millions didnt die, there is no reason for the flu shot... is poor comfort for the familes who have experienced a death due to this illness.... and should make you a direct target for their anger.

you dont want the shot, then dont get it. but, how dare you accuse others of being mindless drones because they wish to protect their children with safe products.

go back to your tin foil friends.




Real0ne -> RE: Science Denial on the Rise (1/9/2010 6:20:45 AM)

come on

flu shots at best are hit and miss....

Never got a flu in my life until I got my first flu hsot and it took 15 years before my body straightened itself back out.




tazzygirl -> RE: Science Denial on the Rise (1/9/2010 6:36:13 AM)

LOL... didnt realize it had an additive that would turn people into pretzels. mind telling me which one?




SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Science Denial on the Rise (1/9/2010 8:01:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: intenze
I have some bad news. You are going to die anyway.

I am wondering how you would react if the H1N1 virus had been more virulent. I am betting you would be begging like a slut in heat for that vaccine. Just a turn of a friendly RNA kept it from being truly terrible. Don't know that it might mutate and do so anyway, right?

Enjoy your day.

What I find amusing is that he concerns himself with the fact the vaccine might be a government conspiracy to reduce the population when it is probably far more likely if a government wanted to reduce a population (in a way it could easily deny) it would create a virus such as the H1N1 virus and then only give the vaccine to the people it wants to keep. He has it backwards, no self respecting megalomaniac would consider his approach.

Just to clarify not that I seriously think H1N1 was created.




thornhappy -> RE: Science Denial on the Rise (1/9/2010 8:18:51 AM)

Besides the fact that there's no squalene or mercury in flu vaccines.




Moonhead -> RE: Science Denial on the Rise (1/9/2010 9:08:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

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ORIGINAL: intenze
I have some bad news. You are going to die anyway.

I am wondering how you would react if the H1N1 virus had been more virulent. I am betting you would be begging like a slut in heat for that vaccine. Just a turn of a friendly RNA kept it from being truly terrible. Don't know that it might mutate and do so anyway, right?

Enjoy your day.

What I find amusing is that he concerns himself with the fact the vaccine might be a government conspiracy to reduce the population when it is probably far more likely if a government wanted to reduce a population (in a way it could easily deny) it would create a virus such as the H1N1 virus and then only give the vaccine to the people it wants to keep. He has it backwards, no self respecting megalomaniac would consider his approach.

Just to clarify not that I seriously think H1N1 was created.


Restricting the TB and Polio vaccines would drop the population even further, as well.




tazzygirl -> RE: Science Denial on the Rise (1/9/2010 9:47:49 AM)

We stopped giving the polio vaccine at one point.




Moonhead -> RE: Science Denial on the Rise (1/9/2010 9:53:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

We stopped giving the polio vaccine at one point.

You did? Hopefully you started again. A small outbreak would be all you'd need to cripple a lot of kids for life.




LadyEllen -> RE: Science Denial on the Rise (1/9/2010 2:56:03 PM)

Polio vaccination is just another aspect of the loss of liberty brought about by creeping socialism.





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