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right wingers losing their memories? - 1/8/2010 1:53:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Adding to the list of all the right wingers who have made a mistake, misread or misspoke in the past couple of months we can now add Rudy Guliani who said
"we had no domestic attacks under Bush — we’ve had one under Obama" onlive tv!!!!!!!!
What made it worse was that GMA didnt pull him up on it.
Im guessing alll right wingers who appear on the news have had their memories erased.


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RE: right wingers losing their memories? - 1/8/2010 2:43:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Adding to the list of all the right wingers who have made a mistake, misread or misspoke in the past couple of months we can now add Rudy Guliani who said
"we had no domestic attacks under Bush — we’ve had one under Obama" onlive tv!!!!!!!!
What made it worse was that GMA didnt pull him up on it.
Im guessing alll right wingers who appear on the news have had their memories erased.



Lucy, you're from England right?
Rudy Guiliani isn't really a "right winger." "Moderate" would be more like it. Some would say "liberal."
People like Dick Cheny are right wing.

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RE: right wingers losing their memories? - 1/8/2010 2:49:00 PM   
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Rudy is nowhere on cheneys level, but he is NOT liberal, not by my understanding of the word....


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RE: right wingers losing their memories? - 1/8/2010 3:35:09 PM   
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Rudy Guiliani isn't really a "right winger." "Moderate" would be more like it. Some would say "liberal."


"Nutty moderate" with some hard-core cold simplistic tactics would be still more accurate. Hence the confusion with "right wing."

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RE: right wingers losing their memories? - 1/8/2010 4:06:22 PM   
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Rudy Guiliani isn't really a "right winger." "Moderate" would be more like it. Some would say "liberal."


"Nutty moderate" with some hard-core cold simplistic tactics would be still more accurate. Hence the confusion with "right wing."


Music, yeah, he's hard to "classify" but that sounds close.

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RE: right wingers losing their memories? - 1/8/2010 4:56:20 PM   
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RE: right wingers losing their memories? - 1/8/2010 5:03:36 PM   
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RE: right wingers losing their memories? - 1/8/2010 6:45:24 PM   
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the guys was MI6. 


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...oh good grief. Seriously man, get help.

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RE: right wingers losing their memories? - 1/8/2010 9:55:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		That isnt the only thing they have lost memories about. Every terrorist tried during the Bush administration was done in FEDERAL court, not by the military. Bush was the first one to talk about closing Gitmo, AND he released Yemeni radicals to return to Yemen and start Al Qaeda in the Arab Peninsula.

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RE: right wingers losing their memories? - 1/9/2010 12:53:03 AM   
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That isnt the only thing they have lost memories about.


Every terrorist tried during the Bush administration was done in FEDERAL court, not by the military.
incorrect


Bush was the first one to talk about closing Gitmo,

correct. And he also said that it would be a mistake. Something Blowbama finally realized, but dug too deep a hole to climb out of, so he will perpetuate that mistake.



AND he released Yemeni radicals to return to Yemen and start Al Qaeda in the Arab Peninsula.

first, they were released because Congress would not support military tribunals for them and treating them as UECs and Bush had the brains not to allow them to have civilian trials. Second, they didnt come close to "starting AQ in the Arab Peninsula"




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RE: right wingers losing their memories? - 1/9/2010 5:51:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		... if you were living in NYC during Rudy's reign of terror - you'd know what a lying vindictive scumbag he really is. from marrying his second cousin, to publicly cheating on his 2nd wife while still married-( rudy the gold digger... 3rd marriage to a wealthy jewish woman from the Hamptons) to surrounding himself with thugs while in office and oh yeah... a very large percentage of his convictions as prosecutor were later turned over. BUT..... he stopped the homeless squeegee guys in their tracks !

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RE: right wingers losing their memories? - 1/9/2010 9:17:25 AM   
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... if you were living in NYC during Rudy's reign of terror - you'd know what a lying vindictive scumbag he really is. from marrying his second cousin, to publicly cheating on his 2nd wife while still married-( rudy the gold digger... 3rd marriage to a wealthy jewish woman from the Hamptons) to surrounding himself with thugs while in office and oh yeah... a very large percentage of his convictions as prosecutor were later turned over. BUT..... he stopped the homeless squeegee guys in their tracks !


Actually I worked in NYC during most of Rudy's administration. Best mayor the city ever had.

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RE: right wingers losing their memories? - 1/9/2010 9:33:42 AM   
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RE: right wingers losing their memories? - 1/9/2010 1:58:45 PM   
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RE: right wingers losing their memories? - 1/9/2010 2:25:47 PM   
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That isnt the only thing they have lost memories about.


Every terrorist tried during the Bush administration was done in FEDERAL court, not by the military.
incorrect


Point: Since 9/11 hundreds of terrorist suspects have been tried in civilian courts. These include Richard Reid, the shoe bomber. The only military trials were directed at Gitmo Detainees, AND at present civil rights attorneys are appealing these on the grounds that none of the detainees fit into the Geneva convention's regulations concerning enemy combatants.

Enemy combatant is a term historically referring to members of the armed forces of the state with which another state is at war. Prior to 2008, the definition was: "Any person in an armed conflict who could be properly detained under the laws and customs of war." In the case of a civil war or an insurrection the term "enemy state" may be replaced by the more general term "Party to the conflict" (as described in the 1949 Geneva Conventions Article 3).

Under the Geneva conventions, members of an INTERNATIONAL terrorist group are not Enemy Combatants, since they are not members of a standing NATIONAL military force or organization.

For the record, only three detainees of Gitmo have been convicted by military tribunal, while over a hundred terrorism suspects have been convicted in civilian courts.

775 detainees have been brought to Guantánamo. Of these, approximately 420 have been released without charge.

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Bush was the first one to talk about closing Gitmo,

correct. And he also said that it would be a mistake. Something Blowbama finally realized, but dug too deep a hole to climb out of, so he will perpetuate that mistake.


I must point out that the closing of Gitmo will not result in any detainees being freed without trial.
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AND he released Yemeni radicals to return to Yemen and start Al Qaeda in the Arab Peninsula.

first, they were released because Congress would not support military tribunals for them and treating them as UECs and Bush had the brains not to allow them to have civilian trials. Second, they didnt come close to "starting AQ in the Arab Peninsula"


Actually, recent intel does put seven former detainees from Yemen as founders of the current incarnation of Al Qaeda in Yemen.






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RE: right wingers losing their memories? - 1/9/2010 5:32:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		And there are 147 terrorist currently in jail in the USA, all tried and convicted in the criminal courts

When the shoe bomber was to be tried everyone in the GOP thought it was a great idea to try them in the criminal courts, even Rudy, he even praised the

He also said the same thing on Larry King, about nothing happening while Bush was in office

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RE: right wingers losing their memories? - 1/9/2010 6:45:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Actually, recent intel does put seven former detainees from Yemen as founders of the current incarnation of Al Qaeda in Yemen. "


really, I would like to see this "recent intel"....

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RE: right wingers losing their memories? - 1/9/2010 6:56:43 PM   
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"Actually, recent intel does put seven former detainees from Yemen as founders of the current incarnation of Al Qaeda in Yemen. "


really, I would like to see this "recent intel"....



The information was on CNN last monday. The source was some security analyst from the bush administration, he said it was from the Saudi government who made the statement that "shortly after being released from "Re Education Centers," these individuals crossed the border back into Yemen and began organizing Al Qaeda in the Arab Peninsula."

The major problem with Yemen, is that the borders are porous to say the least. While the individual making the statement might have been flawed or exaggerating the facts, it is the current consensus of many that freed detainees are returning to the fight.

Personally, I feel that the detainment center in Gitmo is contrary to what I was trained to understand while in the army.

I feel that detainees should have been held in the country of capture, dealt with as insurgent forces or guerrilla forces and therefore not subject to the Geneva Convention as "Enemy Combatants." That is of course if they were captured carrying arms or explosives.

If, information was obtained that could be verified as being part of an international terrorist organization, which uses tactics that are forbidden by the Geneva Conventions (i.e purposely targeting civilians and non-combatants) and by the basic teachings of Islam, and tried in a war crimes tribunal similar to the Nuremberg trials, sentenced under the strictest definition of "Crimes against Humanity" and promptly executed if found guilty.

I also believe that if a person is tried in a federal court, found guilty of attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction, or as planning a terrorist act with the purpose of killing non-combatants (i.e civilians) should be executed. Forget life in a prison that is, by most standards, better than life in some of the countries where these terrorists are from. If they want to die for Allah, by all means, let em die.

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RE: right wingers losing their memories? - 1/9/2010 6:59:48 PM   
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RE: right wingers losing their memories? - 1/9/2010 7:13:40 PM   
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"A Yemeni, Hani Abdo Shaalan, who was released from Guantanamo in 2007, was killed in an airstrike on December 17, the Yemeni Government reported last week. The deputy head of Al Qaeda in the country is Said Ali al-Shihri, 36, who was released from the prison in 2007. Ibrahim Suleiman al-Rubaish, who was released in 2006, is a prominent ideologue featured on Yemeni Al Qaeda Web sites."

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