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SeekingAZ -> RE: Hugo Chavez & Venezuela (2/10/2010 3:10:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


I am told we are still the world's leading manufacturer of quality goods.


Are we? I am hard pressed to think of anything other than computers/chips where we still lead the world.


Yeah, well, the 2nd highest corporate tax rate in the western world coupled with our lottery legal system will take a lot out of your industrial base. Of course, the current administration's position is increasing taxes will make things better. The scary and ultimately root problem is half the country is dumb enough to believe it.




SeekingAZ -> RE: Hugo Chavez & Venezuela (2/10/2010 3:12:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


I am told we are still the world's leading manufacturer of quality goods.


Are we? I am hard pressed to think of anything other than computers/chips where we still lead the world.


Yes, chips are right up there.... industrial machines....electrical apparatus... civilian aircraft engines ... measuring, testing, control instruments ....telecommunications equip ...computer accessories....industrial engines... medicinal equipment ...civilian aircraft ....drilling/oil field equip.... and pharmaceuticals

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/Press-Release/current_press_release/exh7.pdf

I realize this list does not prove my statement but actually the statement was given to me by a former trade rep for the State Dept who lives downstairs. I will query him further next time I have lunch with him.


I dont buy superiority in most of those. We may be competitive, but not superior. the only one I could agree with somewhat readily is drilling/oil equipment. Telecom we are clearly behind the French. So much of Lucent was inferior to Alcatel's existing technology they were bought for a song. Pharma there is no way we are demonstrably superior. Airbus dominates civilian aircraft orders, though I dont know the extent that is attributable to the engines. Medicinal equipment we may lead in R&D but manufacturing superiority? I tend to doubt it.

Edit: Looking at aircraft engines, I doubt there is demonstrable superiority of Boeing over Rolls Royce. While Airbus uses both, Rolls Royce has a larger share, and Boeing even uses Rolls Royce engines in some of its own aircraft. The fictious "war dividend" and the resulting consolidation of defense manufacturers hurt us in non-military applications as well, since there was so much shared technology.



Ummmmmmm, especially since Boeing doesn't make engines (not for their airliners, anyway). And your Airbus outselling Boeing is old data.




thompsonx -> RE: Hugo Chavez & Venezuela (2/10/2010 8:43:46 AM)

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Yes, because governments that kill thousand upon thousands of those that disagree with them is a *good* thing.


You mean like a succession of U.S. presidents




cuckoldmepls -> RE: Hugo Chavez & Venezuela (2/10/2010 8:53:19 AM)

Actually Chavez isn't that bad of a guy. I like the way he nationalized the oil companies after one of our corporations spent billions modernizing their facilities.  You would think that that would make a liberal proud. He actually has more loyalty to his people than our presidents do. By the way, every president, congressman, and supreme court justice who supports abortion is actually a murderer as well. I don't see how we can claim any superiority to Chavez. This cop out that liberals use when they say I don't support abortion, but I support the right of the woman to choose for herself is nothing but a cowards way of dealing with the issue. If you don't have the guts to rip a baby out of it's womb, and throw it in the trash can yourself, then you shouldn't support abortion.

http://babelishere.webs.com/liberals.html





mnottertail -> RE: Hugo Chavez & Venezuela (2/10/2010 9:08:30 AM)

you cuck are the obvious liberal here.




thompsonx -> RE: Hugo Chavez & Venezuela (2/10/2010 9:13:45 AM)

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I like the way he nationalized the oil companies after one of our corporations spent billions modernizing their facilities.


You wouldn't happen to have any data to support this claim would you?




rulemylife -> RE: Hugo Chavez & Venezuela (2/10/2010 9:16:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

Actually Chavez isn't that bad of a guy. I like the way he nationalized the oil companies after one of our corporations spent billions modernizing their facilities.  You would think that that would make a liberal proud. He actually has more loyalty to his people than our presidents do. By the way, every president, congressman, and supreme court justice who supports abortion is actually a murderer as well. I don't see how we can claim any superiority to Chavez. This cop out that liberals use when they say I don't support abortion, but I support the right of the woman to choose for herself is nothing but a cowards way of dealing with the issue. If you don't have the guts to rip a baby out of it's womb, and throw it in the trash can yourself, then you shouldn't support abortion.

http://babelishere.webs.com/liberals.html




What does abortion have to do with Hugo Chavez?


http://babbleshit.webs.com/conservatives.html





thompsonx -> RE: Hugo Chavez & Venezuela (2/17/2010 9:31:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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I like the way he nationalized the oil companies after one of our corporations spent billions modernizing their facilities.


You wouldn't happen to have any data to support this claim would you?





Thadius -> RE: Hugo Chavez & Venezuela (2/17/2010 9:58:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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I like the way he nationalized the oil companies after one of our corporations spent billions modernizing their facilities.


You wouldn't happen to have any data to support this claim would you?



Which part are you asking for support of? The fact that in 2007 Chavez took over controlling interests in 4 privately owned big oil projects? Or that billions were spent modernizing facilities in Venezuela by corporations such as BP, Exxon-Mobile, or Chevron that owned those projects?




thompsonx -> RE: Hugo Chavez & Venezuela (2/17/2010 10:09:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Thadius


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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I like the way he nationalized the oil companies after one of our corporations spent billions modernizing their facilities.


You wouldn't happen to have any data to support this claim would you?



Which part are you asking for support of? The fact that in 2007 Chavez took over controlling interests in 4 privately owned big oil projects? Or that billions were spent modernizing facilities in Venezuela by corporations such as BP, Exxon-Mobile, or Chevron that owned those projects?


That Chavez nationalized the oil industry in his country (which is his right) is not in question.
That "one of our corporations spent billions modernizing their facilities" is the part I would like a little more data on.
I would like to know how much they spent on this modernization.
I would like to know what the ROI was on that modernization.





DarlingSavage -> RE: Hugo Chavez & Venezuela (2/17/2010 10:24:50 AM)

I assure you that if these corporations spent billions modernizing facilities in Venezuela, they weren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.




Moonhead -> RE: Hugo Chavez & Venezuela (2/17/2010 12:21:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

Actually Chavez isn't that bad of a guy. I like the way he nationalized the oil companies after one of our corporations spent billions modernizing their facilities.  You would think that that would make a liberal proud. He actually has more loyalty to his people than our presidents do. By the way, every president, congressman, and supreme court justice who supports abortion is actually a murderer as well. I don't see how we can claim any superiority to Chavez. This cop out that liberals use when they say I don't support abortion, but I support the right of the woman to choose for herself is nothing but a cowards way of dealing with the issue. If you don't have the guts to rip a baby out of it's womb, and throw it in the trash can yourself, then you shouldn't support abortion.

http://babelishere.webs.com/liberals.html




What does abortion have to do with Hugo Chavez?


http://babbleshit.webs.com/conservatives.html



Cucky wishes that Chavez's mum had opted to have one?
At this point, I'm starting to think the forum would be in better shape if Cucky's mum had done that, so I can see where the idiot's coming from for once.




thompsonx -> RE: Hugo Chavez & Venezuela (2/17/2010 12:26:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

I assure you that if these corporations spent billions modernizing facilities in Venezuela, they weren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.



Polyanna[;)]




Moonhead -> RE: Hugo Chavez & Venezuela (2/17/2010 1:16:30 PM)

Wasn't her thing more assuming the best of people? "The glad game" and all that.




thompsonx -> RE: Hugo Chavez & Venezuela (2/17/2010 1:23:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Wasn't her thing more assuming the best of people? "The glad game" and all that.


I was trying for irony




DarlingSavage -> RE: Hugo Chavez & Venezuela (2/17/2010 1:36:56 PM)

oh.




Moonhead -> RE: Hugo Chavez & Venezuela (2/17/2010 2:27:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Wasn't her thing more assuming the best of people? "The glad game" and all that.


I was trying for irony

My bad.




thompsonx -> RE: Hugo Chavez & Venezuela (2/17/2010 3:04:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

oh.



OK now how about some chocolate




Sanity -> RE: Hugo Chavez & Venezuela (2/17/2010 3:36:58 PM)


They were doing it for a profit, naturally. What do you think they should be doing it for. Free government cheese?

Cheese which was manufactured by capitalists? Which is kind of redundant - who else would make it.


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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

I assure you that if these corporations spent billions modernizing facilities in Venezuela, they weren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.




thompsonx -> RE: Hugo Chavez & Venezuela (2/17/2010 4:24:51 PM)

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Cheese which was manufactured by capitalists? Which is kind of redundant - who else would make it.


You mean that there is no cheese in communinst and socialist countries?
You really are as bright as you seem.




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