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RE: Woman Who helped Hide Anne Frank.. - 1/12/2010 11:46:17 PM   
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i only used the word cuss because it was used in a post i was replying to. Thats why i had put the word cuss in quotation marks. Forgive me if that caused any confusion.


A fair point ... I get what you're saying. Staying on topic ... freedom of expression (including the occasional use of ancient language ... what you call "cussing") is surely a focal issue once raised in a thread such as this ?

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RE: Woman Who helped Hide Anne Frank.. - 1/12/2010 11:52:50 PM   
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i only used the word cuss because it was used in a post i was replying to. Thats why i had put the word cuss in quotation marks. Forgive me if that caused any confusion.


A fair point ... I get what you're saying. Staying on topic ... freedom of expression (including the occasional use of ancient language ... what you call "cussing") is surely a focal issue once raised in a thread such as this ?

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If you are saying, my use of certain words in my replies, are out of line because some people consider them, "cuss" words, or profanity, or off color words. Then yes...i'm sure thats probably true. i regret that, but its just the way i speak. i do not use fuck as every other word, or any thing...but i do use "adult language"

*yes Sir, i saw and replied*


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RE: Woman Who helped Hide Anne Frank.. - 1/13/2010 12:51:45 AM   
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The bottom line here is that this was not the appropriate time or place for those kinds of jokes. But Aqua makes a good point. Nearly 10 years after 9/11, every year on the "anniversary" date, there seems to be some "need" to not simply have a ceremony, but to list every name of every person who died. I live only about 45 minutes from the city, and after it happened, it was impossible to find one person who didn't know someone who suffered a loss on that date. But is there a need to repeat it over and over every year? We don't do anything similar for Pearl Harbor and it wasn't less tragic.

The main point is that there are always going to be some people who have no concept of "time and place." As I said on another post, there are some here who, for whatever reason, seem to think that nearly every single thread here is a platform for them to make some type of joke. While some can honestly be funny, it is the fact that they seem to have no concept of when it is appropriate or not to make the jokes. It's childish and ignorant to be sure, but equally childish and ignorant is for others to respond with insults and name calling or posting graphic pictures to make their point.

The result is that a post about the death of a truly remarkable and brave woman and the thoughtful comments to honor her memory are lost amidst the bad jokes and insults of a bunch of people who lack the maturity and ability to act like intelligent respectable adults. Those people whould be ashamed of themselves, but sadly neither the comics nor those "righteously" insulting have the concept that they have done anything wrong.

As for me, as a teenager, I was lucky enough to be in a local production of Anne Frank. I'm hopefully traveling to Germany for a wedding September of this year, and on the trip, I hope to be able to visit some of the sites, including a short trip to Amsterdam to go to the "attic" where they hid. It has been a trip I have wanted to take since that trip.

The people who were in the underground during WWII were just people, like most of us here, who didn't think they were being "heros." They saw what was happening and did what came natural to them, knowing that the risk of doing it put their lives in just as much peril as their friends. Here in the US, it is sad how many people would have turned their heads and walked on just like so many did then. One of the biggest lessons that should have been learned about the Holocaust of WWII is what happens when people have the "as long as it isn't affecting ME and MY life, I should not get involved." The Holocaust was huge, yet how many people here do nothing when they know that a child is being abused and neglected or a woman is being abused because it isn't "their business?"

Meip Giess is a testament to how one small act of one person can make such an enormous difference. That is something that everyone should be thinking about.

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RE: Woman Who helped Hide Anne Frank.. - 1/13/2010 4:33:51 PM   
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A little trivia....
Anne Frank won the Gold Medal in Hide and Seek from 1942 to 1944.
She lost out the following year to a Japanese soldier on the island of Iwo Jima in 1945.


Maybe if you were jewish you wouldnt find these jokes so funny.


Aileen I do find you funny, but this time..not so much. Yeah I know I am now an uptight bitch right?  Sorry, but holocaust jokes, not even remotely funny. Aqua, you too, and I don't mind taking this shit for it, I like you both, but that is just fucked up. Nothing else to say. 


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RE: Woman Who helped Hide Anne Frank.. - 1/13/2010 4:39:30 PM   
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A true hero!
Funny, I was watching on youtube the other week nazi war criminals being hanged and it gave me a warm fuzzy feeling inside!

Popeye I love you!!!


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RE: Woman Who helped Hide Anne Frank.. - 1/13/2010 4:56:00 PM   
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Afraid?


Maybe afraid isn't the right word. But you hold something up and refuse to ever close the wound, to ever let it heal, it makes it easy for someone to take that and twist it. I don't think it's wise to ever let something have that much control over a group of people. I feel like when we don't ever move on, when we are ruled by the tradegy, then it really doesn't matter who won the war because they won in the end.


Being born jewish I have experienced the yearly memorial. The word is Zohar. We as jews are not to every forget. Zahor means remember. If history is forgotten then it is doomed to be repeated. Ever heard that saying?
Its the heart of holocaust memorial. We as jews are never supposed to forget.

I completely disagreed with your attitude. PErhaps you are not experiencing the tragedy in the same way as many of us jews. To our core as if it were us.

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RE: Woman Who helped Hide Anne Frank.. - 1/13/2010 5:12:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lushy, that saying goes for anything horrible, and no, never forget for we are doomed to repeat what we do.


Love and all that my dear friend ;)


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RE: Woman Who helped Hide Anne Frank.. - 1/17/2010 8:53:28 AM   
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  1. I am very sorry that the world has lost a shining light, we don't have enough of them in this world people are too concerned with their own bellies and filling them (Be it food or be it cash, power, influence). This woman did a truly selfless thing, she didn't do it for money, power or influence only simply because it was the right thing to do.
  2. Yes as was said She defied the will of the state and by today's standard would be considered a terrorist. So very sad. Don't think that it can't happen here. Because the German's sure didn't think it would happen there. 90% of the German people didn't even know what was happening when it did happen. What if the US Government decides to start cleaning up the unwanted here.
  3. Yet another reason why I am putting together a Bug Out Bag. Because trust me eventually I will need it!


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RE: Woman Who helped Hide Anne Frank.. - 1/17/2010 12:42:33 PM   
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Afraid?


Maybe afraid isn't the right word. But you hold something up and refuse to ever close the wound, to ever let it heal, it makes it easy for someone to take that and twist it. I don't think it's wise to ever let something have that much control over a group of people. I feel like when we don't ever move on, when we are ruled by the tradegy, then it really doesn't matter who won the war because they won in the end.


Being born jewish I have experienced the yearly memorial. The word is Zohar. We as jews are not to every forget. Zahor means remember. If history is forgotten then it is doomed to be repeated. Ever heard that saying?
Its the heart of holocaust memorial. We as jews are never supposed to forget.

I completely disagreed with your attitude. PErhaps you are not experiencing the tragedy in the same way as many of us jews. To our core as if it were us.


Lips, I consider that saying "exclusively Jewish". It just bothers me when other groups try to use it for their own purposes or causes.
When you hear "Never Forget" you always think of the haulocaust and I think that's the only thing it should bring to mind.
One thing that I've always admired about Jewish people is their outstanding sense of humor! After all, I started out as a Three Stooges fan! ("Hey Larry, get the pliars, it's schikklegruber!") And Rodney Dangerfield is a "GOD!"
In the city I grew up in just North of Boston there was a taylor shop downtown and one time I went in with some pants to be "pegged" and there was an old couple in there and they both had those numbers tattooed on their wrists. I was only 15 but I knew what those numbers meant.
I lived with my father at the time and he was a firefighter and he was always tearing or ripping his uniforms at fires. One of my chores was to take care of the laundry, I'd put it in my fathers seabag that he still had from the Navy, hike it over my back and walk about a mile downtown to the laundrymat.
So, I asked him if he wanted me to take his uniforms down to the taylor's to be repaired and he said sure. So, anytime they needed to be repaired I'd always take them down to that old couple's taylor shop.
"Effie! One pair pants repaired, small tear?" "Seventy five cents!" "Ok, you pick 'em up Toisday!"
My father was on a Navy Destroyer in the Pacific during WW2 (USS Renshaw DD-499) and saw a lot of heavy combat for about two or three years.
He hated Japs and Nazis! They didn't "arrest" Japs in those days they'd just sink their transport ships or barges and any survivors they'd machine gun in the water so they couldn't swim ashore and kill our Marines.
Aynne, I don't think Aileen meant anything bad, don't you think you're being a little hard on the Beaver?

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RE: Woman Who helped Hide Anne Frank.. - 1/17/2010 12:48:39 PM   
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Afraid?


Maybe afraid isn't the right word. But you hold something up and refuse to ever close the wound, to ever let it heal, it makes it easy for someone to take that and twist it. I don't think it's wise to ever let something have that much control over a group of people. I feel like when we don't ever move on, when we are ruled by the tradegy, then it really doesn't matter who won the war because they won in the end.


Being born jewish I have experienced the yearly memorial. The word is Zohar. We as jews are not to every forget. Zahor means remember. If history is forgotten then it is doomed to be repeated. Ever heard that saying?
Its the heart of holocaust memorial. We as jews are never supposed to forget.

I completely disagreed with your attitude. PErhaps you are not experiencing the tragedy in the same way as many of us jews. To our core as if it were us.


Lips, I consider that saying "exclusively Jewish". It just bothers me when other groups try to use it for their own purposes or causes.
When you hear "Never Forget" you always think of the haulocaust and I think that's the only thing it should bring to mind.


What "saying" is "exclusively Jewish" ?

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RE: Woman Who helped Hide Anne Frank.. - 1/17/2010 12:58:10 PM   
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I have been to the house in Amsterdam, it was truly a moving an experience, not so much walking around which was ruined a little by giggling children but watching a clip with her father speaking about why he chose to publish the diary.

This is one personal face, experience we can put to a tragedy. It was my history teacher who used to say, the only way to understand the numbers of people who died is to say one and one and one and one because the a figure is meaningless, anne frank gave it reality, a little girl writing about her crush and arguing with her parents helps us to understand that these people were people, every single one the images of emaciated bodies doesn't do it justice. Yet still we are simply viewers, watching with tears and little understanding.

This woman was amazing, she risked everything for a few families, something that is so admirable.

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RE: Woman Who helped Hide Anne Frank.. - 1/17/2010 2:48:26 PM   
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Afraid?


Maybe afraid isn't the right word. But you hold something up and refuse to ever close the wound, to ever let it heal, it makes it easy for someone to take that and twist it. I don't think it's wise to ever let something have that much control over a group of people. I feel like when we don't ever move on, when we are ruled by the tradegy, then it really doesn't matter who won the war because they won in the end.


Being born jewish I have experienced the yearly memorial. The word is Zohar. We as jews are not to every forget. Zahor means remember. If history is forgotten then it is doomed to be repeated. Ever heard that saying?
Its the heart of holocaust memorial. We as jews are never supposed to forget.

I completely disagreed with your attitude. PErhaps you are not experiencing the tragedy in the same way as many of us jews. To our core as if it were us.


Lips, I consider that saying "exclusively Jewish". It just bothers me when other groups try to use it for their own purposes or causes.
When you hear "Never Forget" you always think of the haulocaust and I think that's the only thing it should bring to mind.


What "saying" is "exclusively Jewish" ?

Pirate


Pirate, "never forget."

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RE: Woman Who helped Hide Anne Frank.. - 1/18/2010 9:42:55 AM   
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Pirate, "never forget."


I don't, indeed I think it is for those who did the persecuting that need to not forget

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RE: Woman Who helped Hide Anne Frank.. - 1/18/2010 6:19:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I live just 750 km from Ausschwitz Birkenau and visited it over 35 years ago. I still get a chill down over my spine just typing this. Just as i have meet people tattoed with that number.
However i do find the jewish people seems to have captured the audience for the offer role.
Where is the memorials for the 20 million russians killed in Russia by Stalin?
Where where they, when Pol Pot did exactly the same in Cambodia?
And there has been many more and really still is as we speak.
I wonder what history will tell about us when we see the real horrors of Kim Il Yungs North Korean dictatorship and the world failed to stop the psychopath.
I know a hell of a lot about Zimbabwe and what the psychopat, Robert Mugabe, has done there and still is doing. But we had to entertain this massmurderer at the COP15 conference. He should be entertained in Auschwitz if there was any justice in this world.
The sad thing is we learned nothing, fuck all, zippo of the holocast as we let it continue unabated as long as it dosn't harm our economic interests. But is it really strange? Who hasn't heard the saying "There is only one type of good indian. A dead one". A rather dark part of American history which has been glorified in countless western movies.
Another good one. In 1910 the New South Wales abolished the law which gave a reward for any aborigine ears handed in to the authorities there. So it is no more than 100 years that hunting humans for reward was done in Australia.
But which nation can see it self with out guild in these kind of histories.

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RE: Woman Who helped Hide Anne Frank.. - 1/19/2010 3:57:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		There are many heroes in this. Lets not forget the Jewish Resistance who not only greatly assisted in successful immigration but in disruption and sabotage against the nazis.
Many Christian citizens of occupied countries assisted in the hiding and extradition of Jews.
The western world hear about Oskar Schindler and Miep Gies but they were just two of many heroes.

Both Stephen and me come from a long line of Polish Jews. Most of my relatives got out long before nazi Germany's final solution. Stephens dad was one of the lucky children that got shipped to England in 1942 along with his grandmother. His aunties, uncles and grandfather all perished in Treblinka and consequently Stephens family is very small.
We must never forget and our children and their children and their children children must never forget.


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RE: Woman Who helped Hide Anne Frank.. - 1/19/2010 4:54:24 AM   
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What "saying" is "exclusively Jewish" ?

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RE: Woman Who helped Hide Anne Frank.. - 1/19/2010 4:56:42 AM   
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What "saying" is "exclusively Jewish" ?

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"I want to go to Miami"


Does that mean the people in Cuba are jewish?


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RE: Woman Who helped Hide Anne Frank.. - 1/19/2010 4:57:18 AM   
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What "saying" is "exclusively Jewish" ?

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"I want to go to Miami"


I'll be needing a translator on that one ...

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RE: Woman Who helped Hide Anne Frank.. - 1/19/2010 5:16:32 AM   
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What "saying" is "exclusively Jewish" ?

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"I want to go to Miami"


I'll be needing a translator on that one ...

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