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Musicmystery -> RE: Censorship at Google? (1/16/2010 3:44:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

~FR~

As much as anything, this "problem" references two actual problems:

1) People have no research skills; they expect to punch in whatever phrase and get instant and complete results without having to evaluate those results in any way. Google does this primarily by how many other sites link to it--thus making "the earth is flat" an important hit in medieval thinking. This also means that Wiki thinking is more important than individual thinking.

2) People already know the results they want, and don't actually want information from research other than what they already believe.



What does this have to do with Google offering helpful suggestions to complete your search for religions other than Islam, Muse, but that they have obviously disabled something to defer to that faith?

Sigh. You reading the same thread?

The claim is bullshit. Plenty of information available.

This is like dickheads typing "Climategate" into a news source search box and then claiming there's no coverage.



TheHeretic -> RE: Censorship at Google? (1/16/2010 3:53:49 PM)

Well, Muse, this is the thread I'm reading and, having demonstrated the ability to follow sipmle directions, the claim is most certainly NOT bullshit, as it was presented.  We are not actually doing a search, just checking Google's list of helpful suggestions as the query is being typed into the box.  When you get to "Islam is," there aren't any.

Did you follow the directions at the top of the assignment?



Musicmystery -> RE: Censorship at Google? (1/16/2010 3:57:15 PM)

Do you have enough sense to realize those directions are bullshit, as others have already explained?

Do you think Google thinks anyone is so incredibly fucking stupid that this would prevent access?

Jesus mother-fucking Christ.



TheHeretic -> RE: Censorship at Google? (1/16/2010 4:08:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

those directions are bullshit




Said the man who apparently couldn't follow them...  [;)]

I demonstrated this for a couple people.  Worked fine both times, with the only glitch being, if you try to avoid retyping "is" Google will suggest you might be seeking "Islamabad is the capital of Pakistan."

Impact on search results?  I dunno.  Aren't you the one usually suggesting Google is useless and limited anyway?  There is no question of whether this happens or not, only why it might happen.  The razor thingy, and just a smidge of awareness about how critics of Islam are subject to being treated seem to be all you need to hazard a guess.



Musicmystery -> RE: Censorship at Google? (1/16/2010 4:10:40 PM)

Honestly, Rich, you're turning into Merc, talking to the voices in your head instead of the posted material in front of you.

Enjoy. There's no point in indulging your imagination anymore than Merc's.



tsatske -> RE: Censorship at Google? (1/17/2010 10:15:31 AM)

Heritic,
If you are reading this thread, you are ignoring any part of it that don't co-operate with your current conspiracy theory.

It has been fully explained to you, on the thread.

the drop down suggestion is not the crux of goggles search, just a helpful (or not so helpful) add in. Within that, google has admited to a known bug that disables the function when the first two words start the same. with just 'Islam' you get plenty of suggestions.

The suggestions are based on what is statitically typed most. It is not googles fault if 'Christanity is bullshit' is one of the most common searches, get all offended at the populace in general.

Sheesh, was that really so hard to understand?



TheHeretic -> RE: Censorship at Google? (1/17/2010 10:28:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tsatske

google has admited to a known bug that disables the function when the first two words start the same.


I just tested your theory, Tsat.  I typed in "is is," and got all sorts of helpful suggestions, which, interestingly enough, included several variations on "Islam."  Looks like Winston Smith needs to put in a little more overtime, huh?

As presented in the OP, the situation is described accurately. 



Musicmystery -> RE: Censorship at Google? (1/17/2010 10:35:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tsatske

Heritic,
If you are reading this thread, you are ignoring any part of it that don't co-operate with your current conspiracy theory.

It has been fully explained to you, on the thread.

the drop down suggestion is not the crux of goggles search, just a helpful (or not so helpful) add in. Within that, google has admited to a known bug that disables the function when the first two words start the same. with just 'Islam' you get plenty of suggestions.

The suggestions are based on what is statitically typed most. It is not googles fault if 'Christanity is bullshit' is one of the most common searches, get all offended at the populace in general.

Sheesh, was that really so hard to understand?


He's not going to separate the OP from the conclusions drawn without any causal link, nor is he going to acknowledge the case already made against them. It's a lost cause, tsatske.

Time to move on.



tsatske -> RE: Censorship at Google? (1/17/2010 2:02:50 PM)

Yes, I know, MM, you are quite right. conspiracy theories are harder to shake from their devotees than the most fundimentalist religious doctrines.

Bugs are funny things. I was once caught up in a bug here on CM that lasted a year or two. Some people were caught in it, others not. who knows why? I know CM worked hard to fix it and eventually did.

while caught in this bug, I could recieve mail, but any mail I sent went into thin air and was never heard from again. A couple hours after being sent, it would be marked read (one thing that made it so hard to recognize the problem...) and then that was it. It was not a conspiracy CM had against me, it was just a bug.

Funny thing - mail I sent to people I knew to shake hands with went through. Srrsly. or, some of the people I knew - not everyone at my munch, but the people I knew best and was most likely to call on the phone and ask if they recieved my mail, when trying to 'test' out this bug. I started calling it 'the bug that only lets me send mail to people that have used this computer.' Why did it let those mails go through? who knows. when you figure out the 'why' of a bug, you are halfway to solving the bug.

It is true that 'Is Is' brings up suggestions, like 'is is a verb?' (really? did a bunch of people cut second grade english class that day?), while 'is Islam' brings up none - however, other people have pointed to other 'starts the same' querries which also bring up none. and, 'the Koran is' brings up suggestions like 'the Koran is false' and 'the Koran is evil' and 'The Koran is inaccurate'. If they have a proIslam conspiracy, they are failing at it badly.



Marc2b -> RE: Censorship at Google? (1/17/2010 3:06:10 PM)

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Do you have enough sense to realize those directions are bullshit, as others have already explained?

Do you think Google thinks anyone is so incredibly fucking stupid that this would prevent access?

Jesus mother-fucking Christ.


I can't speak for others but I don't think Google is trying to prevent access. I think they're worried that some Muslim somewhere will type "islam is" into the search box, see the words "islam is bullshit" pop up on their screen and decide that everyone at Google is an infidel and must die. At the very least they are afraid of accusations of insensitivity towards Muslims.

That's my theory and I'm sticking with it.



tsatske -> RE: Censorship at Google? (1/17/2010 4:55:10 PM)

so what happens when they see 'the Koran is Evil', 'The Koran is wrong', and 'The Koran is false'?



Marc2b -> RE: Censorship at Google? (1/17/2010 8:38:56 PM)

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so what happens when they see 'the Koran is Evil', 'The Koran is wrong', and 'The Koran is false'?


I dunno, go ask them. You have to go down five to find anything negative for “Koran is,” so maybe they’re just not as worried about it.

I find it interesting that people presume that I am alleging some sort of conspiracy. I just heard about this, found it curious, and wondered why.



TheHeretic -> RE: Censorship at Google? (1/17/2010 9:11:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

I just heard about this, found it curious, and wondered why.




What I'm finding curious, and wondering "why" about is all the people who are so determined to change the subject, and insist you said something you never said.

Stockholders, maybe? 



Musicmystery -> RE: Censorship at Google? (1/18/2010 5:07:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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so what happens when they see 'the Koran is Evil', 'The Koran is wrong', and 'The Koran is false'?


I dunno, go ask them. You have to go down five to find anything negative for “Koran is,” so maybe they’re just not as worried about it.

I find it interesting that people presume that I am alleging some sort of conspiracy. I just heard about this, found it curious, and wondered why.



Hi Marc,

Probably from what you wrote. We're not mind readers.

And you did draw conclusions. But you also do have a pattern of a light handed approach, vs. one of the continual crazies.

Live well,

Tim



thornhappy -> RE: Censorship at Google? (1/18/2010 7:18:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Everyone should be getting the same results. Type in judaism is do not hit enter or press any buttons and a drop down box of suggestions will appear. Those are based on word associations found on websites in the google database. You can try this for most any two words that you would expect to appear close togethr on webpages.

Try this with Islam is and you get nothing. Since it is extremely unlikely that those words are never assocaited with any other words on indexed webpages the reasonable conclusion is that someone at Google has intentionally set the AJAX software that produces the suggestions to not return any in this case. It is exceptionally cowardly if it is an official action of the company but it could have been inserted by a programmer without the company's knowledge or permission.

This sounds like a question with no resolution - many of you are speculating, and ignoring the tech data.  Would you accept an answer from a Google employee, or would you disregard that as being  propaganda?

I've done plenty of searches where the drop down box has no suggestions, but there were 4 - 12 pages of results. 



LanceHughes -> RE: Censorship at Google? (1/18/2010 10:27:53 AM)

Himalayas him
yields no suggestions, therefore Google is afraid that the Himalayas will cross the Pacific and crush their offices.....

Christianity Christian
yields only one suggestion, namely
Christianity Christian Girls names
How very, very sexist against Christian BOYS names.  But, more importantly, Google is afraid that Christian parents of boys will name those boys with Christian names and the boys (grown to men) will therefore participate in the suppression of Islam.

OP: In case you didn't "get" it, the first part of this post is sarcastic.

To all: (except MusicMystery) y'all know little about how Google "works."  If Google counted "what people were searching for," the example of "are african babies.... etc." would have never come up.  I agree with MM when he implies research skills are lacking in the general populace.

The new feature in Google of making suggestions is annoying to me.  I wish there was a way to suppress it. The WORST part about it is the removal of quote marks as one is typing.

Actually, there is a way I've found to suppress Googles suggestions.  I very rarely use www.google.com  I have an old Google tool bar that works the way I want it to. One of the features of the tool bar is that it displays the words (and quoted phrases) on the bar.  Once I go to one of the ranked pages, I can click on the word or phrase to get a search without re-typing my word or phrase into a ctrl-F box.



kittinSol -> RE: Censorship at Google? (1/18/2010 10:31:25 AM)

Could it be because "Islam" and "is" start with the same two letters?



LanceHughes -> RE: Censorship at Google? (1/18/2010 11:04:04 AM)

kittinSol:  Of course it is.  And if you'd do a full read through, you'd see that is the case, but it's a bug in Google that happens many times with more than two letters......  That's why my examples just above are two words that start with the same letters....
It's a bug that's hard to find since the efffect is not consistent.



Musicmystery -> RE: Censorship at Google? (1/18/2010 3:19:15 PM)

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/google-censors-islam-results

Try Googling "Google censors Islam..."

[:D]



TheHeretic -> RE: Censorship at Google? (1/18/2010 3:29:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/google-censors-islam-results

Try Googling "Google censors Islam..."

[:D]




Well, Muse, thanks for establishing that the whole thing isn't just made up bullshit.  [;)]



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