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ORIGINAL: Domin8tingUrDrmz

julia,

You may have been being fecetious or sincere with your question "Isn't easy just to bark out orders?" But, I will disagree to some extent. While yes, anyone can say "Do that now!", not everyone can be convincing of those words. Ever hear someone try to bark an order and it comes out sounding like a question instead? lol

So, it does take a bit of talent ;).

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: osf

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If it is about "ability", aren't we talking ability with "kink"? If not, what sort of ability does one need to tell someone to do something or other? Isn't easy just to bark out orders? That does not seem to take a huge amount of ability.

forget the kink

and i don't even know how to begin explaining to you about the order barking thing

Just like I do not know how to begin to explain the other side to you in a way that you will understand... my work here is done

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ORIGINAL: osf

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Well in line with how the thread is going, I think the point is that there wouldn't need to be convincing, because it is simple, a submissive just wants to obey, so a dominant just has to tell them what to do

if only it was always that easy lol

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what we seem to have trouble with is explaining our personal wants/desires/thoughts to each other

which doesn't invalidate either

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ORIGINAL: Domin8tingUrDrmz

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ORIGINAL: osf

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Well in line with how the thread is going, I think the point is that there wouldn't need to be convincing, because it is simple, a submissive just wants to obey, so a dominant just has to tell them what to do

if only it was always that easy lol

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Osf,

First of all, what I'm about to say is not intended to be snarky. So please, keep that in mind.

It really IS that easy if in fact compatiblity is found. From what I've read of your posts (and I've read quite a few), you seem to think that since you are a Dominant, that you have the ability to MAKE any submissive woman follow your lead. That simply isn't the case as the lovely ladies of this forum have been attempting to inform you.

There has to be compatiblity on key factors. In order for a submissive to WANT to obey your commands, or follow your lead, she has to TRUST that you have her best interest in mind. You come off sounding as if the only interest you have any concern about is your own. That may be why you don't find it so easy for someone to simply obey.

i keep saying not any woman, there are very few women i would be compatible with very few

i only know of less that a hand full of fingers on cm that interest me, is that few enough

and yes compatability is paramount

which is why in my profile and journal i go to great lengths to put across what i am and seek

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all around nice guy and creative misogynist

i'm not very skilled so i just hit harder

i want a woman to make into the woman she never wanted to become

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ORIGINAL: Domin8tingUrDrmz

You may do that in your profile (I don't know, I haven't bothered to look to be honest), but you do not come across that way on these forums. Any submissive men who are interested in me based upon my profile, I suggest they also read my forum posts to get a better picture of who I am based upon my interactions with others. If you were to make that suggestion to those who were interested in you based on your profile alone, you might see those numbers dwindle. I say that because the way you post here, you truly do come across in a negative manner to a plurality of readers.

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ORIGINAL: osf

i think past experience carries more weight for the dominant than the submissive as the dominant has to develop personal growth ie they have to have figured out how it all works for them before they can control and lead another

as a follower the submissive , i dont believe has to develop in the same way

you dont need much experience to develop the desire to obey

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ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower

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ORIGINAL: osf

i think past experience carries more weight for the dominant than the submissive as the dominant has to develop personal growth ie they have to have figured out how it all works for them before they can control and lead another

as a follower the submissive , i dont believe has to develop in the same way

you dont need much experience to develop the desire to obey

Gosh, that statement just shows that you still have a lot of learning to do

When you think it does not take any personal growth from a submissive or a slave to learn what she is looking for in a Master and to be able to differentiate between the arseholes and the respectable ones...you just make me laugh

It was stated on one of the other threads...I think it was on the 2nd nonsense thread on the gorean forum, where it became apparent again how important it is to choose for the slave or submissive, WHO (s)he submittes to...as believe it or not there is a difference between a dom and an abuser and a difference in entering those relationships.

Also at times the submissive or slave might not be able to put up with as much the Dom demands and so is better aware of what (s)he might go into, if (s)he submits...

so if you think it is just plain follow the next fool...well, then good luck with the quality of your relationship....

last but not least the submissive/slave also has to develop the growth to live that lifestyle...as one respondent earlier mentioned she (I think it was female response) experienced a lot which made her what she is today...you have to be able to deal with it mentally...because if you can't then you can go downhill big time...

so believe it or not...being a Dom or Master involves a bit more then just beating the shit out of someone, whilst it entails to be aware of the slaves or subs physical and emotional responds over time it also entails that the sub or slave is aware enough about how she is feeling and if it continues to be ok for her to go that path...just blindly and naively following a fool is not what being submissive or slave is about.

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ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower

When you think it does not take any personal growth from a submissive or a slave to learn what she is looking for in a Master and to be able to differentiate between the arseholes and the respectable ones...you just make me laugh

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower

When you think it does not take any personal growth from a submissive or a slave to learn what she is looking for in a Master and to be able to differentiate between the arseholes and the respectable ones...you just make me laugh

I think it is pathentic... and either the height of arrogance or the pinnicle of stupidity for someone to actually believe such luncy.

Everyone to some degree or another is going to go on a path of personal growth... Dominant or Submissive is rather irrelevent. No one can give any universal absolutes of what will or will not occur for one to engage into power dynamic relationships or even what they will need within those relationships. There is no map for all the submissives to follow or an instruction manual for the Dominant to live by. There is only ones own individual path of learning and the number of steps and what is learned is going to be rather unique from person to person.

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ORIGINAL: osf

if people would read the actual words i used this argument goes away

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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ORIGINAL: osf

if people would read the actual words i used this argument goes away

and what profound words might those be?

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ORIGINAL: osf

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ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower

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ORIGINAL: osf

i think past experience carries more weight for the dominant than the submissive as the dominant has to develop personal growth ie they have to have figured out how it all works for them before they can control and lead another

as a follower the submissive , i dont believe has to develop in the same way

you dont need much experience to develop the desire to obey

Gosh, that statement just shows that you still have a lot of learning to do

When you think it does not take any personal growth from a submissive or a slave to learn what she is looking for in a Master and to be able to differentiate between the arseholes and the respectable ones...you just make me laugh

It was stated on one of the other threads...I think it was on the 2nd nonsense thread on the gorean forum, where it became apparent again how important it is to choose for the slave or submissive, WHO (s)he submittes to...as believe it or not there is a difference between a dom and an abuser and a difference in entering those relationships.

Also at times the submissive or slave might not be able to put up with as much the Dom demands and so is better aware of what (s)he might go into, if (s)he submits...

so if you think it is just plain follow the next fool...well, then good luck with the quality of your relationship....

last but not least the submissive/slave also has to develop the growth to live that lifestyle...as one respondent earlier mentioned she (I think it was female response) experienced a lot which made her what she is today...you have to be able to deal with it mentally...because if you can't then you can go downhill big time...

so believe it or not...being a Dom or Master involves a bit more then just beating the shit out of someone, whilst it entails to be aware of the slaves or subs physical and emotional responds over time it also entails that the sub or slave is aware enough about how she is feeling and if it continues to be ok for her to go that path...just blindly and naively following a fool is not what being submissive or slave is about.

when you learn to read i'll respond to you

i said enough about me ok all?

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ORIGINAL: osf

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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ORIGINAL: osf

if people would read the actual words i used this argument goes away

and what profound words might those be?

i used the word more, not the word none

i don't know but i see a big difference between more and none

this is like the right wing talking heads, one will misquote someone and all the other right wing talking heads will run with it and say it' been reported

what say we get off the subject of me

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well there are words... but hardly profound...

first... more or none... the difference is irrelevant unless you can quantify in some objective way how to measure "more"

Fact is... you can't quantify it in any objective way. You or anyone can't know what personal experiences and growth a person may need to get to X whatever X is.

But please... if you have some profound words to share that can make a difference please do....