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ORIGINAL: slavejali

I can appreciate the lifestyle your living Rayne. You could have been writing about me a few years ago, if you ever want to email me, dont hesitate. Is your Master going to be using Peritineal Dialysis at home?

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Are we mind-readers that we will know absolutely without being told what service is required?

"Let's be real" would include the fact the dominant takes responsibility to be clear about what is expected from a prospective submissive.

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To be honest, service is a lot of work. It involves a lot of attention to detail and dedication to person(s) that may not be duplicated in other aspects of the scene or lifestyle. I don't believe a lot of people are like me in that they receive lots and lots of personal pleasure from pleasing the person to whom they have surrendered in ways that are extremely altruistic and focus-centered. When I was owned, I never saw the things I had to do as "chores" but things I could do to make her happy. That meant a lot to me. Over the years since then, I've come across a number of women who didn't understand that, and the experiences have been somewhat unsatisfying, to the point of where I felt perhaps other submissives might serve them better, as the whole discipline seems to have changed from underneath me.

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Perhaps, instead of ranting about why every single submissive/slave isn't just like you, you should open your mind to the possibility that your owner may be looking for different types of slaves to join your home, rather than the same cookie cut out over and over again.

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy
It’s really about using your observational skills. Once you learn all those little things, you never even have to pay attention yourself, handling those things become 2nd nature to the sub/slave too.

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To those whose hard limits are housework, who keeps your house clean? To those wanting 24/7 kink. If you are in a cage all day how can you be taking care of  the needs of your owner? What a pain for them to have to keep unlocking the cage everytime they need something. To those wishing to barter. In the long run if they wanted to pay someone for service would’nt a maid be cheaper and less stressful ? 

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Dont all couples argue over who does what housework?

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"Service" seems to be something that has become less of a force in the scene than it used to be, mainly because (in my opinion) it has been construed to be another "fetish" rather than seen as the lifestyle choice that it used to be.

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you should open your mind to the possibility that your owner may be looking for different types of slaves to join your home, rather than the same cookie cut out over and over again.

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Perhaps you should be a little more careful of the use of the term "we" - you really can only speak for yourself.

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I think a variety of things have happened to shift the dynamics. One being the few wanna bes wrecking it for those who are seriously pursuing a lifestyle. My own personal experience has been many looking for that service...be it domestic, sexual or what have you, who offer little, if anything in return.

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It sounds like you’ve experienced some sort of experience that’s left you frustrated about subs/slaves and their motivations.  Every week or so there’s a rant from someone who’s been burned, so I guess yours is the rant for this week. 

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you should open your mind to the possibility that your owner may be looking for different types of slaves to join your home, rather than the same cookie cut out over and over again.

Umm, nope, we really are looking for that same "cookie cut out

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy


ORIGINAL  catize 

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Are we mind-readers that we will know absolutely without being told what service is required?

"Let's be real" would include the fact the dominant takes responsibility to be clear about what is expected from a prospective submissive.

Mind readers? No. The service oriented slave sub learns to notice their owners likes and dislikes. Pays attention to their little signals, indicators that they normally display, sometimes unknowingly, that they will need/want something shortly,  ie: his cigarette pack is almost empty, her soda is getting watery from sitting and she hates that, and opens a new pack; fix a fresh glass without being told. It’s really about using your observational skills. Once you learn all those little things, you never even have to pay attention yourself, handling those things become 2nd nature to the sub/slave too.

Absolutely boundaries and expectations should be discussed at 1st. What I was speaking of was what happened to, to me at least, used to seem to be more of, the service oriented sub/slave that did these things automatically, it was/is just a part of who they are, what they do.

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ORIGINAL  catize 

Are we mind-readers that we will know absolutely without being told what service is required?

"Let's be real" would include the fact the dominant takes responsibility to be clear about what is expected from a prospective submissive.

ORIGINAL  twicehappy
Mind readers? No. The service oriented slave sub learns to notice their owners likes and dislikes. Pays attention to their little signals, indicators that they normally display, sometimes unknowingly, that they will need/want something shortly,  ie: his cigarette pack is almost empty, her soda is getting watery from sitting and she hates that, and opens a new pack; fix a fresh glass without being told. It’s really about using your observational skills. Once you learn all those little things, you never even have to pay attention yourself, handling those things become 2nd nature to the sub/slave too.

Absolutely boundaries and expectations should be discussed at 1st. What I was speaking of was what happened to, to me at least, used to seem to be more of, the service oriented sub/slave that did these things automatically, it was/is just a part of who they are, what they do.

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In my experience, every dominant has a unique set of requirements, their own definition of the service they desire.  Your notion that all submissive's should 'automatically' provide what the dominant wants just doesn't make sense to me. 
There needs to be discussion and agreement from both sides. If there is discussion but no agreement, then both parties need to move on. 
If there is agreement, then and only then, both the dominant and submissive become obligated to fulfill their accepted roles.
I would suggest that the adage, 'patience is a virtue' holds true for both sides.  It takes time to get to know someone and what their needs are.  It takes time to evaluate someone's potential and willingness to reach it. 
**Can't find good help these days?**  Then adjust to the new era!
Complaining is a waste of energy. Look at whatever isn't working and accept some responsibility to be a part of the solution. 

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ORIGINAL: ShiftedJewel

Is there really someone among us that hasn't experienced some frustration and disappointment? That doesn't mean this is a rant, it's a simple question. When did services like cleaning and cooking become a "fetish" and when did the kink become all there is to it? Again, I'm not saying that those that are in the lifestyle because of the kinky sex are wrong... more power to you and God speed in your quest... But no one is asking where the kink went, ok? 

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I don’t think that service in ye olden days was anymore present than it is now.  In many ways it seems more present.  There is an ever-increasing popularity of formal dinners, classes, retreats, and seminars all dealing with the various aspects of service.  I don’t remember seeing that ten years ago.  I think these learning opportunities would not exist were there not an interest.  

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy
Many have discussed aptitude,inclinations and desire of or for service oriented slaves to learn and anticipate their owners wants and needs.
Did you actually read the initial post?