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twicehappy -> What ever happened to service? (3/23/2006 6:23:14 AM)

SERVICE??????????
 
Service used to be one of the main things a submissive,and especially a slave provided for their Master/Mistress. The submissive or slave did not always enjoy the servitude for itself but normally did enjoy the feeling of pleasing their owners and doing things for them.


Most subs/slaves used to consider it to be part of their role to provide service, that is, of a non sexual sort and gained  great emotional satisfaction and even pleasure from providing such. I am speaking of the normal day to day services, bringing a soda, making sure the Master/Mistress has a full box of their favorite tissues by their chair, arranging fresh flowers on the table.Things the owners may not have directly commented on but you, the slave knew made them happy or comfortable. The little things that they gently patted your cheek for.


Now more and more frequently this seems to have fallen by the wayside.
It seems to me of late, watching my Master and Mistress seaching for another sub/slave to add to this poly house most subs/slaves are either not “into” this aspect of the lifestyle (ie:hard limit-housework) or they want to do it as 24/7 kink (ie:I want to be kept in shackles or a cage all day),or worse yet want to barter (ie:I did this for you,now I want a new ? bought for me).


I am not saying all subs/slaves are this way.


What I am saying is let’s be real. To those whose hard limits are housework, who keeps your house clean? To those wanting 24/7 kink. If you are in a cage all day how can you be taking care of  the needs of your owner? What a pain for them to have to keep unlocking the cage everytime they need something. To those wishing to barter. In the long run if they wanted to pay someone for service would’nt a maid be cheaper and less stressful ?


What happened to caring for your owners home, person, possesions out of love? Out of the simple joy it gave your slave heart to be accomplishing those day to day chores that made your beloved Mistress or Master’s life better.
What happened to subs/slaves learning their owners needs and desires and anticipating them. What Master or Mistress wants to spend all their time micro managing a sub/slave?  


Do what needs to be done to be pleasing. To make your owner’s lives more complete,more relaxing,more satisfying.Do not screw up intentionally to be punished. If you want/need/require a beating why not simply beg for it?


I personally feel I have failed myself if I have to be asked to do something on a regular basis. I take great joy and satisfaction from learning what is required and doing it before I am asked.To mind mind this is how I serve best.

But then, that smile, that hand holding mine in the dark, that minute laying on their knee while they absently pet my head is my world.


"By entreaties and prayers, by submissiveness, by committing oneself to regular tributes and gifts, by flattering glorifications, it is also possible to exert pressure on the forces of nature, by making them favorably inclined: love binds and is bound." - "   Nietzsche




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: What ever happened to service? (3/23/2006 6:27:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy
What I am saying is let’s be real. To those whose hard limits are housework, who keeps your house clean? To those wanting 24/7 kink. If you are in a cage all day how can you be taking care of  the needs of your owner? What a pain for them to have to keep unlocking the cage everytime they need something. To those wishing to barter. In the long run if they wanted to pay someone for service would’nt a maid be cheaper and less stressful ?

Sometimes hiring a maid is indeed the best option for many homes.

I know in my situation I've found that "more hands make less work"  With all of us pitching in, the boring chores stuff gets done quicker and more efficiently, thus leaving ALL of us with more time to enjoy life together.  I doubt I'll be dying and wishing I'd done more service by washing towels more often myself.

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What happened to caring for your owners home, person, possesions out of love? Out of the simple joy it gave your slave heart to be accomplishing those day to day chores that made your beloved Mistress or Master’s life better.

Your rant here is just another in a long strand of "Back in my day, things were better" "My kink is better than your kink" as well as rash overgeneralization.

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What happened to subs/slaves learning their owners needs and desires and anticipating them.

Nothing.
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What Master or Mistress wants to spend all their time micro managing a sub/slave?  

Some do.  Some don't.

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Do what needs to be done to be pleasing. To make your owner’s lives more complete,more relaxing,more satisfying.Do not screw up intentionally to be punished. If you want/need/require a beating why not simply beg for it?

That I agree with- though I have no idea what it has to do with service.




twicehappy -> RE: What ever happened to service? (3/23/2006 6:49:07 AM)

ORIGINAL LuckyAlbatross
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Sometimes hiring a maid is indeed the best option for many homes.


And while Master and Mistress are at it they can hire a prostitute to handle all those little sexual demands their sub/slaves not feel like handling either.

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Your rant here is just another in a long strand of "Back in my day, things were better" "My kink is better than your kink" as well as rash overgeneralization.



I'm sorry dear, back in my day?  I realize i am no spring chicken,but......

I have been a slave since a very young (unmentionable here) age, and at 44 am still a slave, a total of 31 years. How long have you been in the lifestyle?

If you are the same sweet girl i knew from BESS, you were considered to be more of a switch. I do not remember you ever being settled into a single one on one or a single household ownership based on love situation.

Also we are not speaking of kink here, rather of devotion and service to ones owner.
Exactly what were you doing when you cleaned your Master's cat boxes? 


ORIGINAL  twicehappy
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Do what needs to be done to be pleasing. To make your owner’s lives more complete,more relaxing,more satisfying.Do not screw up intentionally to be punished. If you want/need/require a beating why not simply beg for it? 


ORIGINAL  LuckyAlbatross
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That I agree with- though I have no idea what it has to do with service. 




What it has to do with service is that it is often a device used by subs/slaves to get punished. Why not do what is required to be pleasing and ask for punishment if that is your desire?




justjill -> RE: What ever happened to service? (3/23/2006 6:58:32 AM)

I think the domestic services and small things in any relationship is often up to the people and their personalities. I do think most sub and slaves do and understand that domestic duties and small things are part of the life, but it depends on the person involved on how much or if any pleasure is taken from those duties. Personally, I enjoy cooking a good meal or fetching a drink for my Master, but please do not expect me to take pleasure or wax poetic about cleaning a bathroom. To each their own.

Just because these things are not talked about does not mean that they are not there. Everybody has priorities. Subs and slaves work and children, and the small things can sometimes lose out to the limited amount of hours in a day, but I do not think that this aspect of the lifestyle has gone away at all.





doves -> RE: What ever happened to service? (3/23/2006 6:59:17 AM)

Whether i am at His place before He gets home from work, or He is coming here to where i live..
i make the place tidy and pleasing to His eye
i have the rooms warmed
i run His bath, and bathe Him, then dry Him
i shave His facial whiskers
i make sure He has plenty to eat
i sit on the floor and massage His feet
warm His bed..

The list is endless.. but whether what i do for Him is classed as
"service" ??  i don't know.

It is something i do for Him naturally.. it pleases me to please Him.
Just being attentive to His needs...

dove




thetammyjo -> RE: What ever happened to service? (3/23/2006 7:05:34 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: twicehappy

SERVICE??????????

Service used to be one of the main things a submissive,and especially a slave provided for their Master/Mistress. The submissive or slave did not always enjoy the servitude for itself but normally did enjoy the feeling of pleasing their owners and doing things for them.


Most subs/slaves used to consider it to be part of their role to provide service, that is, of a non sexual sort and gained great emotional satisfaction and even pleasure from providing such. I am speaking of the normal day to day services, bringing a soda, making sure the Master/Mistress has a full box of their favorite tissues by their chair, arranging fresh flowers on the table.Things the owners may not have directly commented on but you, the slave knew made them happy or comfortable. The little things that they gently patted your cheek for.



Was it?

Hhhmmmm... Do you have proof of this?




twicehappy -> RE: What ever happened to service? (3/23/2006 7:07:02 AM)

ORIGINAL  doves
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The list is endless.. but whether what i do for Him is classed as
"service" ??  i don't know.

It is something i do for Him naturally.. it pleases me to please Him.
Just being attentive to His needs...


smiles....,yes,  all of these things are service,the kind i was speaking of, done for love. Your Master is lucky indeed.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: What ever happened to service? (3/23/2006 7:24:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy

ORIGINAL LuckyAlbatross
[And while Master and Mistress are at it they can hire a prostitute to handle all those little sexual demands their sub/slaves not feel like handling either.

If that's what they want.

Obviously those masters/mistresses are happy with their slaves if they aren't training them or having them do the service you're talking about.  If the master/mistress wants the slave to do other things, then it makes perfect sense to hire the work out.  I know some owners who require their slaves to learn car mechanics so that they can do that work, but most owners allow the slaves to take it to a shop and get work done by others.  Is that somehow slacking off or not being a good submissive?

It's not a sin for an owner to do work and service as well, nor is it a sin for a submissive to not be service oriented, nor is a service oriented submissive better than any other sort.  As long as everyone knows what they are getting into beforehand, I think it's golden.

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How long have you been in the lifestyle?

Actively about 7 years.
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If you are the same sweet girl i knew from BESS, you were considered to be more of a switch. I do not remember you ever being settled into a single one on one or a single household ownership based on love situation.

I don't know, I've only been comfortable referring to myself as a switch for a few months now, though I've been topping actively (starting at the demands of my owner) about two years.  I was the Chair of the board for BESS last year however.

I am also poly and no, my ownership relationship (which ended over the summer) was not based on love.
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Also we are not speaking of kink here, rather of devotion and service to ones owner.

It's a kink in that it's what burns inside you and makes you happy in who you are.  It gets you jazzed up.  Not all the time, nothing makes you directly happy all the time- but some submissives and slaves are service oriented and some are not.  I am service and control oriented.
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Exactly what were you doing when you cleaned your Master's cat boxes?

Trying not to step on the annoying bits of litter. 
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What it has to do with service is that it is often a device used by subs/slaves to get punished. Why not do what is required to be pleasing and ask for punishment if that is your desire?

Being pleasing is not the same as providing service work. Subs and slaves can be pleasing in a myriad of ways.

Ultimately, again, I don't think service orientation has changed from the past.  I think the slaves who are, are, and the slaves who aren't, aren't and neither is better than the other.  A master who accepts a slave who isn't is obviously just as happy with that choice as a master who accepts a slave who is.




MsSonnetMarwood -> RE: What ever happened to service? (3/23/2006 7:27:02 AM)

In the 12 or so years I've been involved in the lifestyle, I don't see an awful lot of change in diversity of subs.   There's some wonderful ones, some only looking for kinky play, some with expectations that have no basis in reality, some with a good head on their shoulders.  We all have to know what we want and what we have to offer in order to find who fits "best" with us.

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  all of these things are service,the kind i was speaking of, done for love.


I don't think love has an awful lot to do with it.




cloudboy -> RE: What ever happened to service? (3/23/2006 7:34:04 AM)


I guess the slavesploitation phase of BDSM has passed. I tend to blame its passing on feminism.




justatoy2 -> RE: What ever happened to service? (3/23/2006 7:41:23 AM)

What i am seeing here is the "my way is the only way and the right way". There are all different degrees of service, and different ways people adjust to make it work in their lives. I am glad for the OP and for her Master that they have found what works for them. But that doesn't mean service is lacking in other submissives or that makes them less of a slave because it isn't required of them. Also if your observation has been because your Master/Mistress has been seeking for a third or fourth or fifth, the likelyhood of finding someone who will want that kind of arrangement are pretty slim. A good majority of submissives want a one on one relationship. They don't want to be part of a poly house, or be a house maid, or maybe a sex slave. I don't think there is anything wrong with people saying that just not what i want. That doesn't make them not about service. They just dont' want to service your Master/Mistress. Nothing wrong with that. They are not yet owned and that is the time when a submissive has a say in what they want. I personally am not someone who will just serve anyone and be happy because i am serving. I have to have an emotional connection on some level. There are all sorts of people who are looking for different things for different reasons. Some want kink, some want service, some just want to be fucked. As long as they are honest about what they want i don't see it as anyone is better than anyone else.




Mercnbeth -> RE: What ever happened to service? (3/23/2006 7:45:07 AM)

twice,
I see this as a consequence of the lifestyle and lifestyle activities being more out in the open. More people being aware is a double edge sword. On the positive side, people who have feelings of service and submission and their counterparts discover they are not "weird" or unique and go on a quest to find each other. On the negative side, anyone looking for a new sensation can announce they are submissive or dominant and play a game.

At the risk of being accused of harping on the "good old days"; back in them there were very few "slaves", or people who wanted to be one. Now you can come to CM set up a profile and announce; "I am a slave with no experience looking for a Master". Exactly who are they slave to? The same holds for those announcing; I am a Master. Self proclamation does not make it so. It's the age of image. Everyone wants a title. Hire someone now and they ask "what's my title going to be" before they ask the salary.

"What happened to service"? Nothing with people who are or who want to be slaves or are submissive for reasons other than to experience a sensation. When you read some of the "submissive" profiles and the limits or restrictions of what "play" they will submit, they read exactly the same as a dominant's. "I want to be bound (but not so tight), blindfolded, while oil is rubbed on my body, with soft music playing in the background as I serve my new master." Who is serving who? But I'd bet a lot of "masters" would jump at the chance to "dominate" that scenario. My favorite are the ones who announce they are "pleasure slaves". I think that describes what I am! But hey, everyone is having fun.

The bottom line is, it's the same VERY small percentage of people who are "slaves". A slave, just like a Master, is not as common as the profile labels would indicate. You have a larger sampling to pick from, but all that's been added is more hay in the haystack in which to search for your needle.

Good luck!




starymists -> RE: What ever happened to service? (3/23/2006 7:49:34 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: twicehappy

SERVICE??????????

Service used to be one of the main things a submissive,and especially a slave provided for their Master/Mistress. The submissive or slave did not always enjoy the servitude for itself but normally did enjoy the feeling of pleasing their owners and doing things for them.
Most subs/slaves used to consider it to be part of their role to provide service, that is, of a non sexual sort and gained great emotional satisfaction and even pleasure from providing such. I am speaking of the normal day to day services, bringing a soda, making sure the Master/Mistress has a full box of their favorite tissues by their chair, arranging fresh flowers on the table. Things the owners may not have directly commented on but you, the slave knew made them happy or comfortable. The little things that they gently patted your cheek for.

Used to be? While I tend to think that there have been some shifts within BDSM, I don't think service is a thing of the past. I know a lot of submissives and slaves alike who still enjoy providing services to his/her Master/Mistress. For myself, I handle 90% of the domestics in my current relationship. Not because I have to...not because I was asked to...but simply because I enjoy providing that. Even when I wasn't in a relationship, I would do similar things for friends *like clean his/her house before a first meeting with a new person*. Service is still very much there if you take the time to develop the relationship. That being said, domestics are not something I enjoy in and of themselves. It's pretty much a labor of love. It is a service that reflects how I feel towards a certain person or set of people. Therefore, if you want that from me, be prepared to take the time to earn that service from me.


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Now more and more frequently this seems to have fallen by the wayside.
It seems to me of late, watching my Master and Mistress seaching for another sub/slave to add to this poly house most subs/slaves are either not “into” this aspect of the lifestyle (ie:hard limit-housework) or they want to do it as 24/7 kink (ie:I want to be kept in shackles or a cage all day),or worse yet want to barter (ie:I did this for you,now I want a new ? bought for me).

What I am saying is let’s be real. To those whose hard limits are housework, who keeps your house clean? To those wanting 24/7 kink. If you are in a cage all day how can you be taking care of the needs of your owner? What a pain for them to have to keep unlocking the cage every time they need something. To those wishing to barter. In the long run if they wanted to pay someone for service wouldn’t a maid be cheaper and less stressful?

Just because I keep my own house clean does not automatically mean I will keep your house clean. All too frequently, I have been approached with the following deal: ‘My submissive and I will expect you to take care of the house as part of your service to us.’ Nothing personal, but why should I get involved in a situation where I am strictly a second who has to work and do the housework by myself? I can see if both submissives are caring for the house, but to have one exempted from housework? Get real. After enough of those kinds of offers, I can see exactly why housework becomes a hard limit. I may be a submissive...I may come very close to being a slave...doesn’t mean I have no wants or needs. And if I’ve worked all day and come home at night to take care of the house, how much time am I going to realistically going to have to meet those other wants and needs?
As far as the 24/7 kink, I doubt there is anyone out there who expects to be locked in a cage all day every day for the rest of their lives. There are certainly times and places where it would be appropriate to engage in that kind of kink. And if the Master/Mistress is into that kind of thing *and I know many who are* it’s not a hardship to unlock the cage when it needs to be unlocked. It is also not a hardship to do for yourself if you are getting pleasure from keeping your sub/slave in a cage. Particularly within a poly household, there are others who are available to do what needs to be done when the cage, all day bondage or what have you is being utilized.


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What happened to caring for your owners home, person, possessions out of love? Out of the simple joy it gave your slave heart to be accomplishing those day to day chores that made your beloved Mistress or Master’s life better. What happened to subs/slaves learning their owners needs and desires and anticipating them. What Master or Mistress wants to spend all their time micro managing a sub/slave?


What happened to building a relationship in which the Dominant(s) inspired this level of service from a submissive? When did dominance become an order that is to be blindly obeyed? My Dominant never demands. He inspires my service, every day. He makes me want to please him, to do things for him. He inspires the feelings and the submission that brings that out of me. Submission does not happen in a vacuum. Submission inspires dominance. Dominance inspires more submission. And after 16 years in the lifestyle, I’ve found that it is next to impossible to inspire deeper levels of submission until face to face get togethers start to happen.












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Do what needs to be done to be pleasing. To make your owner’s lives more complete, more relaxing, more satisfying. Do not screw up intentionally to be punished. If you want/need/require a beating why not simply beg for it?


I personally feel I have failed myself if I have to be asked to do something on a regular basis. I take great joy and satisfaction from learning what is required and doing it before I am asked. To mind this is how I serve best.

But then, that smile, that hand holding mine in the dark, that minute laying on their knee while they absently pet my head is my world.

I mentioned earlier that I have seen some changes within BDSM. With the ease of access that the internet allows us to have, we have seen an influx of people into the lifestyle. Some are players. Some are after just the kink. Some are abusers. And that goes both ways. The internet allows us to find others who are looking for the same things that we are looking for. There are people who can match up with someone else, both of whom just want kink in the bedroom and the rest of their relationship is vanilla. That’s neither right nor wrong. Who are you or I to question what someone else is looking for in a relationship or make it less than just because it is not the way we do things? There are also ’Doms’ who are looking for a maid. Plain and simple. Nothing more and nothing less. There are Doms who are looking for the person that will be pushing their wheelchair and wiping their chins as they age. That’s not ~all~ Doms. But it is certainly some Doms. There are those who will take your service and give nothing in return. That is not BDSM any more than being in a cage 24/7 is.
A slave/submissive, in searching for his or her Master/Mistress, has a right to qualify the customer. They have the right to keep themselves safe. They have the right to find someone whos wants and needs match their own. They have the right to find a situation that works for them. We do not have the right to put down a submissive who is honestly saying what he/she wants/needs from a Dominant. He/she, right up till contract/collaring whatever form of commitment is used, has the right to put boundaries on service. He/she has a right to ensure that the gifts of service that he/she has will not be misused, abused and/or simply taken
If someone is putting out less than what you want them to give, you have two choices...develop the relationship because as the relationship develops so will the level of submission...or find someone else. There are thousands of persons out there. Find one that is a better match for what you are looking for. But don’t put down others who are choosing a different path.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: What ever happened to service? (3/23/2006 7:51:10 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
You have a larger sampling to pick from, but all that's been added is more hay in the haystack in which to search for your needle.

Good luck!

I like that metaphor!




twicehappy -> RE: What ever happened to service? (3/23/2006 8:26:23 AM)

quote:

[ORIGINAL: twicehappy

SERVICE??????????

Service used to be one of the main things a submissive,and especially a slave provided for their Master/Mistress. The submissive or slave did not always enjoy the servitude for itself but normally did enjoy the feeling of pleasing their owners and doing things for them.


Most subs/slaves used to consider it to be part of their role to provide service, that is, of a non sexual sort and gained great emotional satisfaction and even pleasure from providing such. I am speaking of the normal day to day services, bringing a soda, making sure the Master/Mistress has a full box of their favorite tissues by their chair, arranging fresh flowers on the table.Things the owners may not have directly commented on but you, the slave knew made them happy or comfortable. The little things that they gently patted your cheek for.
quote]

ORIGINAL  thetammyjo
quote:

Was it?

Hhhmmmm... Do you have proof of this?  


As i stated previously, i've been in this lifestyle for 31 years. In this time i've had 3 collars, the 1st two owners passed away, i'm in the 3rd now. In this time i've traveled across the US and Canada, met numerous Masters, Mistresses and slaves. I've belonged to many bdsm proactive groups, online and in real time. Here is a list of books you may reference, some about the active lifestyle, some about the physchology of the people in it, a fiction series dealing with the subject and a website for service oriented subs/slaves.

"Slavecraft" by Guy B" 
 
"Evolutionary Psychology" by David Buss  
 
"Games People Play" by Eric Berne  
 
 " The Marketplace "series by Laura Antoniou 
 
 
http://www.wildfleurs.com/service/articles.html




Duncan -> RE: What ever happened to service? (3/23/2006 8:32:40 AM)

Maybe I'm missing the point of the post but my sub/wife does service my household. She gets me drinks when I desire as well as upkeep my household. In her case its more of a child with chores though. She knows what she needs to do when she gets home. She cleans everything in the house at least once a week.




twicehappy -> RE: What ever happened to service? (3/23/2006 8:33:59 AM)

ORIGINAL  twicehappy
quote:



  all of these things are service,the kind i was speaking of, done for love


ORIGINAL  Ms. Sonnet Marwood
quote:

I don't think love has an awful lot to do with it. 
 


Love has everything to do with it. At least for me, and i'm guessing many others. I for one could never submit to someone i did not love. They could go through the motions,but it would be empty,wooden feeling. We are speaking about service that comes from love here. 




twicehappy -> RE: What ever happened to service? (3/23/2006 8:45:11 AM)

ORIGINAL   justatoy2 

quote:

What i am seeing here is the "my way is the only way and the right way". There are all different degrees of service, and different ways people adjust to make it work in their lives. I am glad for the OP and for her Master that they have found what works for them. But that doesn't mean service is lacking in other submissives or that makes them less of a slave because it isn't required of them. Also if your observation has been because your Master/Mistress has been seeking for a third or fourth or fifth, the likelyhood of finding someone who will want that kind of arrangement are pretty slim. A good majority of submissives want a one on one relationship. They don't want to be part of a poly house, or be a house maid, or maybe a sex slave. I don't think there is anything wrong with people saying that just not what i want. That doesn't make them not about service. They just dont' want to service your Master/Mistress. Nothing wrong with that. They are not yet owned and that is the time when a submissive has a say in what they want. I personally am not someone who will just serve anyone and be happy because i am serving. I have to have an emotional connection on some level. There are all sorts of people who are looking for different things for different reasons. Some want kink, some want service, some just want to be fucked. As long as they are honest about what they want i don't see it as anyone is better than anyone else.


I just reread my own post and ,WOW, no where in it do i state my way is the only way. Rather i believe i simply asked "what happened to this way". Nor did i state people who did not follow this way were less than i. My observation is based on many things i have seen in the past few years, not only based on my owners search. Having spent 18 years in a poly household prior to this,yes,i can say there are subs/slaves who do enjoy this kind of relationship. Again i was not addressing this question to strictly poly households, rather to anybody in or looking for a 24/7  M/s relationship. 




twicehappy -> RE: What ever happened to service? (3/23/2006 9:01:43 AM)

ORIGINAL  Mercnbeth
quote:

The bottom line is, it's the same VERY small percentage of people who are "slaves". A slave, just like a Master, is not as common as the profile labels would indicate. You have a larger sampling to pick from, but all that's been added is more hay in the haystack in which to search for your needle.

Good luck!


BRAVO!!!  On the entire post, even though i did not copy it entire here. The same can be said for Dom/Dommes, i spent 6 years replying too, meeting, and turning down so many so called "Masters", before i met my pair. In all that time i met and made friends with 4 who i consider to be true Masters,the chemistry just was not right. I consider myself extremely lucky to have found ScooterTrash, his lady wife,who is now my Mistress was a surprise, something new for me,and i love her to distraction (lol, Indy was having a two for one sale on dom/dommes that week). 

Unfortunately your statements are all too true.




tinygelfling -> RE: What ever happened to service? (3/23/2006 9:05:40 AM)

quote:

Service used to be one of the main things a submissive,and especially a slave provided for their Master/Mistress. The submissive or slave did not always enjoy the servitude for itself but normally did enjoy the feeling of pleasing their owners and doing things for them.


I'm wondering who exactly this is directed at? .........considering that all relationships, including vanilla ones are  unique. Most masters are perfectly able to sort out what they want and from whom. Not all Masters want the things that you and your Master seem to desire.  If you find that *serving* your Master in this way fulfills you  and satisfies him, then all is well in the herb garden , is it not?
 





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