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seekingOwnertoo -> RE: Dominas, when do you show your vulnerable side? (1/22/2010 10:40:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lockit

<<< Is never vulnerable in email! [:D] You be quiet! [sm=mistress.gif]


You are cracking me up ... that was good!




LadyAngelika -> RE: Dominas, when do you show your vulnerable side? (1/22/2010 10:40:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

<<< Is never vulnerable in email! [:D] You be quiet! [sm=mistress.gif]

Damn Lockit! That looks good on you!! ;-)

- LA




LadyAngelika -> RE: Dominas, when do you show your vulnerable side? (1/23/2010 9:14:51 AM)

Last night I went out with a friend I hadn't seen in long time. We originally met on this site when he contacted me with a submissive profile about 5+ years ago. We never hooked up and became actually really good friends. It also helped that he lived 3 blocks away from me at the time (I've since moved cross town).

I told him about this current issue I've been having and here is his take or perspective on the whole thing. He said that I was the first woman he met from Collarme. He sent me an email, we exchanged photos, we set a meeting date. This all happened over the span of a week. When we met, we realized that we had a lot in common in terms of likes, dislikes, passions, ideologies, etc. He, like myself, appreciates alternative culture and is very intellectual. He explains to me now that what really clicked in his head at that moment was "wow, she's like me, I can't have a power exchange with her". Interesting.

Now over the past 5 years, he's explored both sides of D/s, not really wanting to make a choice, and is more switch, though I believe he compartmentalizes these facets. He has a really strong personality and as friends, we've often butted heads. Even just last night, at one point he said "don't you get all Domme on me". ;-) I mean hey... I am what I am!

He also told me, and he's known me now for 5+ years, that there is no way on earth people don't clue in real quick that I'm dominant. But they also figure out real quick that I'm not going to get involved in something superficial and that perhaps the idea of being in a more involved, long term power exchange is daunting, or simply not what they want.

Anyhow, let's say that the whole discussion was really beneficial to me, as has been this thread. I just now need to develop criteria on how to really figure out which ones are the men that want this for real and which want this for fantasy, because half the time they don't know.

- LA




notinferior -> RE: Dominas, when do you show your vulnerable side? (1/25/2010 12:33:35 PM)

I cannot speak for ALL men or ALL submissives, but I would love to answer the question from my own perspective, as a submissive man.  First, as a mere statement, I find it interesting that so many men are mesmerized by the idea of female dominance, yet they expect the female dominant to act, think and have the libido of a man.  Men generally pride themselves in putting up a strong, invulnerable front.  I know that I am that way, the exception being in my personal life.  Women are generally at their best when in touch with their emotions, they handle them better than we men do, which is why we tend to deny them.  In other words, when women get emotional, they get sad or hurt and reflective; the results are usually positive and provide a solution to the problem.  We men tend to hit people. 

    Thusly, when a man finds a dominant woman, he expects to find in her the same traits as he displays when he is dominant.  He expects her to be tough, stern, perhaps even a little sarcastic.  When he finds she is jovial, vulnerable and soft, he assumes she must be some sort of submissive.  The difference, of course, is in how one wishes to live and not in how they act.  I didn't put that very well.... I'll try again.  I believe that the difference between a dominant and a submissive is in how the experience of power exchange manifests itself in their personna.... not in how they present themselves.  The former is who they are, the latter is what they want.  Maybe an example will be better here:  If you saw me in a room with fifty other guys, you would NOT pick me out as a submissive.  I am gregarious, boisterous, very domineering and probably the biggest guy in the room.  I am nobodies idea of a wall-flower.  The image most people have of a submissive man is some guy named Casper Milktoast.... he's scared to death of pissing off his wife.  Not me.  I am not submissive by nature, but by desire.  I am about as masculine a guy as it gets.  Thus, I act masculine.

    In contrast, you are feminine.  You act feminine.  You say please and thank you, you recognize other people's feelings, you probably even remember things like people's birthdays.  These are not the qualities of a submissive, they are the qualities of a woman.  Sadly, though, in our society we see femininity as submissive and masculinity as dominant.  If someone asks nicely, it must be because she lacks the courage to be more demanding.  Sure, we like to dress supposedly dominant women in clothes that accentuate their physical feminine beauty (tight leather corsets that underscore an hourglass figure), but we do so in a manner that makes them into a male-centric image.  Then we put a whip in her hand and say "now tell me to bark like a dog and get on my knees."  What we do not do is to appreciate in them the very things that make them superior as a gender.

    My answer then, to your question as to whether you should "tone down" your vulnerable side or to mask it until the guy gets to know you better is an unmitigated NO.  The guy you want is one who will appreciate you for who you are; a dominant woman who demands that she be an actual woman.  Sure, you will lose a lot of attention from a lot of "submissive" men.  In the end though, you will find one who wants to adore what you are.  Please, please, please don't try to act like a duck because a lot of men are afraid of swans.  Be the swan you are; the one that you placed on your profile painted by Sardax.  Some of us know the difference.

As a side note... dominance is not found in who pays for dinner or who opens a door for who, it is about who makes the decisions. 




SlaveSubtoserve -> RE: Dominas, when do you show your vulnerable side? (4/19/2010 9:00:35 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Last night I went out with a friend I hadn't seen in long time. We originally met on this site when he contacted me with a submissive profile about 5+ years ago. We never hooked up and became actually really good friends. It also helped that he lived 3 blocks away from me at the time (I've since moved cross town).

I told him about this current issue I've been having and here is his take or perspective on the whole thing. He said that I was the first woman he met from Collarme. He sent me an email, we exchanged photos, we set a meeting date. This all happened over the span of a week. When we met, we realized that we had a lot in common in terms of likes, dislikes, passions, ideologies, etc. He, like myself, appreciates alternative culture and is very intellectual. He explains to me now that what really clicked in his head at that moment was "wow, she's like me, I can't have a power exchange with her". Interesting.

Now over the past 5 years, he's explored both sides of D/s, not really wanting to make a choice, and is more switch, though I believe he compartmentalizes these facets. He has a really strong personality and as friends, we've often butted heads. Even just last night, at one point he said "don't you get all Domme on me". ;-) I mean hey... I am what I am!

He also told me, and he's known me now for 5+ years, that there is no way on earth people don't clue in real quick that I'm dominant. But they also figure out real quick that I'm not going to get involved in something superficial and that perhaps the idea of being in a more involved, long term power exchange is daunting, or simply not what they want.

Anyhow, let's say that the whole discussion was really beneficial to me, as has been this thread. I just now need to develop criteria on how to really figure out which ones are the men that want this for real and which want this for fantasy, because half the time they don't know.- LA



....and that they want this for real with YOU= both Domme You and vulnerable You!

if I may ask LA, in your prior relationships do you feel that the guy/sub saw the genuine you or imposed some fantasy Domme onto you in the relationship?......that might be part of what is rolling around within you maybe.....(this is tardy but did have a reaction to such a worthwhile struggle to integrate La Domme with normal humanity so...)




lobodomslavery -> RE: Dominas, when do you show your vulnerable side? (4/19/2010 11:52:10 AM)

Im with the Ladies on this 100%., Yeah i know its strange me agreeing 100% on anything but then its  a funny world sometimes. No seriously  , i agree, its really important to be yourself and not some stereotype of what someone else wants you to be. To thine own self be true. Absolutely. Everything else is contrived crap and does no service to sub nor Domme
kevin




slvemike4u -> RE: Dominas, when do you show your vulnerable side? (4/19/2010 1:16:33 PM)

Please don't take this the wrong way....this is not me blowing smoke up a Domme's.....well You know what I mean,anyway
LadyA Your dilemma confuses me a bit,perhaps that is my fault....I don't,and haven't since I got past the porn stage in this lifestyle,look at someone and see "Domme".I learned a long time ago I was looking at a Woman who happens to be a Domme.....much as I want her to look at me and see a Man who it just so happens wants to fall on his knees before her.
So given that...and given all of your posts and other conversations....I just don't see the dilemma(and probably why this reply will be totally useless to You) as far as this man is concerned You carry and present yourself as a lady with taste,personal integrity and a lovely sense of humor.....as far as this slave (they are actually one in the same in case anyone is confused;-)is concerned You are everything he could long for in a Woman to worship....self assured and confident,sadistic and playful...all with a no-nonsense demanding demeanor that screams You will be respected and obeyed.
Nope I just don't see the dilemma....but than again I have come to think of you as the cat's meow....so what do I know.




LadyAngelika -> RE: Dominas, when do you show your vulnerable side? (4/19/2010 4:47:11 PM)

quote:

if I may ask LA, in your prior relationships do you feel that the guy/sub saw the genuine you or imposed some fantasy Domme onto you in the relationship?......that might be part of what is rolling around within you maybe.....


Well if I think back of the most important ones, I felt I was seen as genuine, otherwise I would have never stayed with them.

To contextualise the OP, I wrote it after having had a string of dates with what I've come to call the lost boys, nice guys, but lost.

- LA




LadyAngelika -> RE: Dominas, when do you show your vulnerable side? (4/19/2010 4:50:12 PM)

mike, that was a very sweet post, thank you.

As I mentioned in my response to the 1-3 month old thread puller, I was in a certain headspace back then. This thread actually did help me to get out of it, so yeah, this place can be useful at times ;-)

- LA




slvemike4u -> RE: Dominas, when do you show your vulnerable side? (4/19/2010 5:55:51 PM)

Oh shit,I saw the thread...i read Your OP,never noticing the date...and wrote my response...what a putz i am....okay a putz that thinks the world of You,but a putz all the same....lol.Sorry about that.




pyroaquatic -> RE: Dominas, when do you show your vulnerable side? (4/19/2010 6:28:00 PM)

There is some excellent reading here.

*takes notes*

Okay.

I want the WHOLE cake. I do not just want the frosting, or just the bread and the sprinkles.

By posing as something you are not I can detect that (something in my guttywuts says so). It feels forced and contrived. It is a turn-off.

Attempting to impress me does not impress me.

mmmm.... cake.




LadyAngelika -> RE: Dominas, when do you show your vulnerable side? (4/19/2010 7:19:10 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Oh shit,I saw the thread...i read Your OP,never noticing the date...and wrote my response...what a putz i am....okay a putz that thinks the world of You,but a putz all the same....lol.Sorry about that.


mike, you need to stop flogging yourself. ;-)

It seems I have a little admirer who is pulling up a bunch of my old threads (and a few of the other women's threads). They aren't old enough to be deemed too old to revive, but old enough that some stuff we've already hashed out.

- LA




LadyAngelika -> RE: Dominas, when do you show your vulnerable side? (4/19/2010 7:25:32 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic

There is some excellent reading here.

*takes notes*

Okay.

I want the WHOLE cake. I do not just want the frosting, or just the bread and the sprinkles.

By posing as something you are not I can detect that (something in my guttywuts says so). It feels forced and contrived. It is a turn-off.

Attempting to impress me does not impress me.

mmmm.... cake.


[image]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_G1UDNB1uH_Y/SnLgZ0T-qdI/AAAAAAAABXE/8579hBKwTnc/s400/cupcake+girl.jpg[/image]

- LA





slvemike4u -> RE: Dominas, when do you show your vulnerable side? (4/19/2010 7:55:10 PM)

I will stop flogging myself as soon as someone else takes over ;-)
Besides I meant "putz" in the best possible way....It's all good,i'm not too upset over missing the date.....and writing that first post of mine....as a matter of fact I owe the thread reviver a big old THANK YOU !
so no worries with the flogging....




leadership527 -> RE: Dominas, when do you show your vulnerable side? (4/20/2010 7:06:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
So the question is, am I showing my vulnerability too soon? Should I put the wall back up and slowly let it down? I don't like that prospect too much as I'm not allowing myself to be my authentic self.

OK, so this may not translate perfectly from the male side, but I'll give it a go.

For starters, if you're looking for an authentic relationship, then your authentic self is all you have to offer. If that doesn't work for someone, then they are not right for you... period.

Secondly, my dominance has nothing to do with my vulnerability. Anyone who confused those two things would not be a suitable partner for me. Actually, going a step further, in my world, the relative positions of dom and sub just are. I never actually portrayed anything to carol to demonstrate my dominance. I just lived my life. Anyone I actually had to do something in particular to/with/for in order to demonstrate my dominance would not register as a submissive to me. I mean seriously.... anyone who thought I wasn't dominant because I didn't have on leather pants... well.. *chuckles*. Let's just say that their definition of dominant and mine don't align well.




VampiresLair -> RE: Dominas, when do you show your vulnerable side? (4/20/2010 7:11:30 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Lately, when I meet men, they seem to be taken aback because I don't have a cold front up, but rather am trying to be my authentic self, a kind, sweet and polite woman. I happen to be very girly, soft blonde hair, blue eyes. I have a soft voice, soft moves, soft smile. Recently, I've been called anything from adorable Domme to too cute to be a Domme.



So, you are asking if you should fake it and be someone you arent just so you fit the mold better?

You are Dominant. You should not have to dress up or down just to fit what someone else believes will be dominant. You look cute, good, all the more of a surprise when you can put them on their knees without having to be a living stereotype. Do you really want to be in a relationship with someone who cant accept you from the beginning, but with whom you have to lie about who you really are until they are not going to bolt? Id rather find out in the beginning that they cant handle who I am and save myself time than even consider faking it to get them and then hoping I can time it right to let them know what I am really like.

As my mentor once said: You are the dominant and one of those perks is that you are yourself complete with flaws and all. You will find a submissive who loves them all, and if not screw em, they arent worth your time. You deserve the best, and that means all of you, not just the parts they like.

DV




LadyAngelika -> RE: Dominas, when do you show your vulnerable side? (4/20/2010 6:20:16 PM)

Thanks to Leadership & VampiresLair for the responses, but I sort of worked through all this a few months ago when we wrapped this thread up. Good advice for others going through this though!

- LA




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