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LadyAngelika -> RE: FAQ Setup (1/28/2010 8:09:21 PM)

Great! Hopefully the links above too.

- LA




PhoenixRed -> RE: FAQ Setup (1/28/2010 8:39:44 PM)

FR

First, thanks so much to all who are contributing to the FAQ setup, especially SylvereApLeanan and Domin8tingUrDrmz, brava! Everything looks really great.

One thing I was wondering....I noticed the Top/Bottom got removed. It seems, from recent discussions and very common reply posts, that this is one of the areas in which it may prove beneficial to give a rough idea of what bottom / sub / slave means to most dominant women, and how they delineate the differences as they see them, not in the general terms. It is sooo often cited on the boards that "the guy really isn't a sub, he's a bottom"...I don't think a lot of newbies will pick up on what that means, and hence thier sometimes argumentative and trollish behavior. Maybe I'm just dense and this is covered elsewhere, or it is something that isn't really nexessary. Just my 2 cents.

BTW, if anyone wants a thread on Sounds and their use, I'd be happy to write one up when I get time.




LadyDelilahDeb -> RE: FAQ Setup (1/29/2010 6:18:30 AM)

Fast reply:

As a domina myself, I'd like to see FAQ incorporate the distinction between sadist & sensual domination. (The recent thread "Little help?" exemplifies the need.)

Lady Delilah Deb




CarrieO -> RE: FAQ Setup (1/29/2010 6:50:45 AM)

~Fast Reply~

I'm not sure how detailed those who are working on this FAQ thread want it to be but I was thinking about something that LadyPact said about the topics appearing to focus mainly on the submissive/slave and less on dominant women.  I originally started paying more attention to the Ask a Mistress section because I was looking for "starter/new domme" ideas.  I know that AAkasha has posted some helpful threads on this along with one of my favorites, started by ElanSubdued (love when the guys offer such great advice)... http://www.collarchat.com/m_2094679/mpage_1/tm.htm

It might be helpful to have a couple links on this topic.  Again, not sure how in depth you want to go but I know I'm not the only woman who has, or will, come here looking for beginner ideas. 
Of course, by having the focus on questions asked by submissives, it could always free up the forum for question on the above topic.  Anyway, just a suggestion, fwiw.





Domin8tingUrDrmz -> RE: FAQ Setup (1/29/2010 7:10:17 AM)

Since I'm still working on parts of this, I'll try to include some of the suggestions in the portion Syl worked on, and keep it compact. If she gets around to it before me, that too would be fine. In either case, this isn't 100% finalized.

ETA: I think a Common Misconceptions area (where the sadist vs sensuous domina could go along with a few other links) would be good, as well as a Common Terminology section (where the bottom/sub/slave; top/owner/domme could go - and apparently there are some other terms such as CBT that cause some confusion).

Edited for poor word usage.




CarrieO -> RE: FAQ Setup (1/29/2010 8:06:29 AM)

This is no easy undertaking....again, kudos to those working on it.




SylvereApLeanan -> RE: FAQ Setup (1/29/2010 1:21:30 PM)

~FR~
 
After reading through the comments, there are a few things I'd like to point out.  First, the FAQ needs to be short and focus on frequent questions.  The things that people have suggested as additions, such as "domme starter pack," aren't as common as one might think.  I went through 7 pages of posts (140) and counted the topics.  Those included in the FAQ are the most frequently asked. 
 
Second, while it seems the FAQ is heavily focused on questions by sub males, that is the demographic most of the frequently asked questions come from, so it makes sense to address them.  I also didn't include definitons of terms such as bottom/sub for two reasons -- they are commonly asked and answered in other areas of the forums, and the definition varies from person to person so there is no commonly agreed upon usage.
 
Because of this, I think it's in the best interests of the FAQ not to include a detailed discussion of terms.  We can include a hyperlink to the Search feature to show past threads on the topic, but I don't think we should go beyond that.  If we really feel the need to address it, I think the threads dedicated to Profile Help and CMail Etiquette are better options.  We can focus on helping people understand what they're really looking for so they can communicate it in their profiles and email. 
 
We're also in the process of creating dedicated threads to address topics that are too complex for a FAQ.  If someone would like to start one to help new dommes or define terms, by all means please feel free.  However, I don't think the FAQ is the best venue for those discussions.  As much as I'd love to include everything in the FAQ, you can go back through this thread to see the initial rough draft and how prohibitively long it was.  If we start adding things back in, it's going to grow to an unmanageable length again.  I'd like to avoid that, if possible.




Domin8tingUrDrmz -> RE: FAQ Setup (1/29/2010 7:50:24 PM)

--FR

I know it was suggested to use a 6-month timeline for older threads.

First, I'd like to point out, that as this FAQ ages, the links contained will become older than 6 months. Since there is no control in who remains and who doesn't I think some of the older threads address certain topics in a manner which sets a tone of how we'd like this forum to operate. So, while I'm all for keeping things relatively current, I don't think if the link is older than 6 months it should be outright rejected if it contains useful information. Though I do think a stronger emphasis on 'not posting on the older thread, instead link it into a new thread' would be helpful.




SylvereApLeanan -> RE: FAQ Setup (1/29/2010 8:21:00 PM)

That's a good point.  Let's try to pick only one or two of the best threads older than 6 months, and try to keep the rest within 6 months of the FAQ's creation date.  That way, when the FAQ is read in a year or two from now, new users won't be dredging up 5 year old threads because they're linked in the FAQ.  We're already harping on using the Search feature so we're already setting noobs up to get slammed for rezzing old threads.  Let's try to emphasize that the links are only examples and not to be commented on. 
 
I'll work that into the final version, along with the links to the dedicated Profile/CMail threads you start. 




Domin8tingUrDrmz -> RE: FAQ Setup (1/30/2010 2:25:26 AM)

Okay, so I have a draft version for both threads and will send them along shortly. I think that after you, Syl, have a moment to edit them that they too should be posted here for review. I could use help in gathering one or two more links regarding profile help, and regarding converting vanillas. Any suggestions are welcome.

Additionally, I'd like to schedule a time with you so we can post our threads at about the same time so I can link the Final FAQ into the threads I've created and so you also can make the links into the FAQ. If we do this too far apart the option to edit the post disappears. Since we are still making revisions we can schedule this later, just something we need to consider.

ETA: I've seen several threads regarding converting vanilla women to Dommes, I'm looking more specifically for ones that show realistic approaches where success has occured and shows what not to do. I've seen one or two of these types in the past but am not able to locate them now. Same for profile help links. I have created a basic guideline, but I recall a few threads that were very helpful, one even included links to outside sources for photo help, but finding threads like those are somehow eluding me. Any help would be appreciated.




Domin8tingUrDrmz -> RE: FAQ Setup (1/30/2010 7:19:02 AM)

OOOH! I just noticed a Moderator bumped this to the top of the Ask A Mistress forum.

THANK YOU!!! A question for the mods, when we get this finalized, will you post the clean version at the top instead? Again, THANK YOU so very much for helping us. [:)]




SylvereApLeanan -> RE: FAQ Setup (1/30/2010 7:58:11 AM)

Got them.  I've emailed you back.  Let's shoot for Tuesday evening, how does that sound?




Domin8tingUrDrmz -> RE: FAQ Setup (1/30/2010 8:03:17 AM)

I didn't receive your reply. I checked my junkmail too, just in case...and nada. Tuesday evening should work. I'd still like to get a bit of feedback here before setting them in stone so to speak.




SylvereApLeanan -> RE: FAQ Setup (1/30/2010 8:08:30 AM)

Give it a few more minutes.  It's just a confirmation that I received your email and a short description of NLP.  I sent it right before I checked the boards and Yahell is funky sometimes.  I'll get the edits to you by Monday evening if not sooner. 




Domin8tingUrDrmz -> RE: FAQ Setup (1/30/2010 8:13:17 AM)

Ok, I got it...I should have hit send/receive sooner [:D].




SylvereApLeanan -> RE: FAQ Setup (1/30/2010 1:30:28 PM)

Our newest "problem child" brought another point to my attention that I think we should consider for the FAQ.
 
While most of us are native English speakers or are bilingual with fluency in English, there are going to be some people who are only barely conversant.  I think it would be a good idea to add some other languages, say French and Spanish, to the FAQ.  I know we have a couple of ladies here who speak French fluently.  Does anyone speak Spanish well enough to translate the FAQ?  I know from experience Google and other translation sites are horribly inaccurate.




Lucienne -> RE: FAQ Setup (1/30/2010 3:13:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Domin8tingUrDrmz

OOOH! I just noticed a Moderator bumped this to the top of the Ask A Mistress forum.


When I noticed that, my first thought was to pop in here and congratulate the Ladies on getting pinned, but somehow it didn't seem right. Congrats, regardless and thanks for all the work you're doing.




Domin8tingUrDrmz -> RE: FAQ Setup (1/30/2010 7:43:43 PM)

Syl,

That would defeat the purpose of keeping the FAQ compact. While it may sound a bit ethnocentric, I recommend keeping it in English only because the majority of those who participate are at least conversant in English. If someone who speaks another language were to ask questions for clarification because they were struggling with English, then perhaps a Lady who speaks that persons language would be gracious enough to translate. Much as LA did for our newest troll in another thread.




SylvereApLeanan -> RE: FAQ Setup (1/30/2010 8:04:12 PM)

I thought of that too, but I'm on the fence about it.  That's why I brought it up here.  I'm not wedded to the idea of including multi-lingual translations by any means.




Domin8tingUrDrmz -> RE: FAQ Setup (2/2/2010 11:21:21 AM)

Thanks to LadyPact, the working link for the BDSM Booklist is available and as mentioned by another poster, it would be a good resource to include. Here is that link: -=BDSM Book List=-

Here are the two threads that will be linked into the FAQ. For those interested, please take a few moments to see if there is anything you feel should be modified, expounded upon, or eliminated.

The first is CMail Help: How to Contact a Domina

This site is useful for contacting dominant women, but it should be only one of many avenues you use to meet people. There are many dominant ladies who dislike meeting people from the internet. You are doing yourself a great disservice if you limit yourself. Many will tell you to go to a munch or other BDSM related event to open your possibilities, and we encourage you to follow this advice. Refer to the Ask a Mistress Forum FAQ [link] for information about finding events near you.

Remember dominant women are everywhere – the grocery store, the local pub, even the library. So while you are dating and meeting women, be open and communicate in the early stages to determine if she is the type of woman you are seeking. Avoid anything crass, saying “Will you do <insert kink of choice> to me?” Instead, ask probing questions such as, “Do you think there is a defined leader in a relationship?” and “Who do you think should be that leader?” Obviously, if she answers “no” to the first question, following up with the second is pointless. However, you could ask her why she feels leadership has no place in her intimate relationships. Depending on her answer, you should be able to gauge whether or not she simply isn’t interested or if she is hesitant due to societal misconceptions.

Some people try to convert their vanilla partners to become the dominant (or submissive) partner in the relationship. Some do this successfully, others have zero success. Keep in mind that you can only convert the willing. If your partner truly lacks any desire to take the lead, she will only resent you if you continue to force her to lead. This could ultimately backfire and destroy your relationship.

If you are using the internet to contact dominant women, it is important to keep in mind that women often receive more mail than men, particularly on this site. When sending a message to a Domme, avoid getting upset if she takes more than a few minutes to reply, even if the mail system acknowledges that the message has been read. Often, women lead busy lives, and she may intend to respond when she has more time. Be patient! If a few days pass without a reply, feel free to send a follow-up if you’d like. Keep in mind that a lack of response usually indicates a lack of interest. More on this topic can be found in the “Why doesn’t a Domme reply to me?” section of the Ask a Mistress Forum FAQ <insert link to FAQ>.

When sending a message to a dominant woman, be the self you are in everyday life, not some preconceived version of what you think she wants. Many women are turned off by the stereotypical “pathetic worm” or “worthless” submissive. If she wants you to act this way, she’ll let you know. When in doubt, present yourself as a gentleman. It’s hard to go wrong with this approach.

Often, you will notice that the image conveyed by a person’s profile is mentioned as one of many reasons a women chooses to ignore a message. Please refer to “Profile Help: How to attract Dominant Women” <insert link> for assistance with profiles.

Some key information to remember when emailing a dominant woman:

1. Take the time to fully read the profile of the person you intend to mail. It is obvious to us when you fail to complete this vital step. Make certain that you actually meet her requirements.

2. Be interested in her as a person rather than objectifying her as your personal kink provider.

3. Be polite. Some women prefer uber-politeness (they will tell you if they do), others do not. However, most women can agree that general politeness will garner a better chance of receiving a reply.

4. Address her by her screen name or by the name she signs in her reply. Many women prefer to avoid use of titles such as “Mistress” or “Goddess” (or any other term of endearment such as honey or sweetheart) until after a relationship has been established. If her screen name is MistressBadAss, shortening her name to just Mistress is discourteous. In your initial message, use her full screen name and ask her if she has another way she prefers to be addressed.

5. Both one-liners and autobiographies are inappropriate for a first email. Keep the message concise, show that you’ve taken the time to read her profile, and relay some relevant information about yourself. Most women despise messages that simply say “Hi”. Similarly, we dislike receiving your complete life history as an introduction. Put that information in your profile. General rule of thumb: keep it to one or two paragraphs.

6. Grammar, punctuation, and spelling DO count! Keep “netspeak” to a minimum, particularly in your first communication. Abbreviating “you” as ‘u’ and “you are” as ‘ur’ is always a mistake.

7. Since communication is paramount in any successful relationship, pay attention to her location and be conversationally fluent in her native tongue. If you speak poor French to a woman who lives in France and parts of Canada, it’s likely she’ll have difficulty understanding a word you say.

8. Nobody owes you a response, no matter how polite you think your message seems.

9. Being rude or obnoxious shows poor character and a lack of class. If you object to something in a person’s profile, move on to those profiles that mesh with your personality. Sending a nasty message is out of line. Would you walk up to a stranger and say “you are ugly”? If you would, perhaps you should work on your manners in general.

10. While you might think you would be the perfect sub/slave for her, she may have other ideas. There may be something in your profile or message that indicates you are not a good fit for her. That’s okay! You are likely a good fit for another person. Be glad for the chance to find that perfect match.

11. Those seeking real life encounters are often unwilling to respond to messages from those who live far away. Unless you can reasonably relocate to the person’s area, or their profile indicates they are willing to relocate, try to stick to your local area or those within a driving distance of only a few hours. Three or four hours of drive time is a reasonable amount. Some may indicate they are interested in online relationships. If they do and you’re interested in that type of relationship, by all means, contact them.

12. Approach a woman the same way you would approach a woman in a vanilla setting.

13. Your photo is your first impression. Send a photo of your face if you are comfortable, or send a photo of you doing something you enjoy in a vanilla setting. In other words, send a picture you wouldn’t mind your mother seeing. Wait to send photos of you involved in kinky play or “cock shots” until she requests them.

14. Insisting on moving immediately to the phone, private email, or an instant messenger such as Yahoo is presumptuous and in poor taste. Let the woman decide when she is comfortable moving to off-site contact.

15. If you are seeking a Dominant Woman, remember she will lead the way. There is nothing wrong with being eager, but overly eager just screams “horny wanker.”

16. Most women want to get to know a person before they delve into their kinky sides. If you lack the time or patience to develop a relationship with the person you are going to mail, you may find yourself overlooked. Sure some women are here for cyber, but unless she has cyber listed as an interest in her profile, she’s unlikely to respond favorably to your attempts.

Below are some links that you can visit to get views from other perspectives. If, after reading this post or the links attached, you find you still have questions by all means ask. We request that you refrain from posting on threads older than a few months. Instead, start a new thread and include the link of the older thread if you feel others need that information for clarity. We also encourage you to indicate in your new post that you have taken the time to read previous posts. This will help elicit assistance rather than admonishments of “go read the archives.”

The Hypocritical Domme
Finding a Mistress
Guidelines for finding a Mistress
Dommes, how did you get into the lifestyle?





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