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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/23/2010 8:55:18 PM   
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So how come there is not a demeaning equivalent for slut, cunt, whore for men, that packs the same punch?


That's an excellent question. Maybe at one time there were attempts but they just did not stick. It's the recipient that determines the level of punch, not the sender. Maybe if the sluts, cunts and whores of society would shrug their shoulders and just get on with it then the playing field would level a bit.

Said only partly tongue in cheek.




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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/23/2010 9:10:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Double standard ? well woman have come a long way , not that its correct but in all honesty men still pretty much run government , big business and woman are still held to Higher social standards Go Figure ?

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/23/2010 9:12:17 PM   
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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/23/2010 9:28:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is a book called "Cunt" that explores this question...

http://www.amazon.com/Cunt-Declaration-Independence-Live-Girls/dp/1580050158


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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/23/2010 9:37:31 PM   
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Compelling argument that book puts forth. The idea that the pussy is feared and therefore diminished to remove the fear.

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/23/2010 9:45:54 PM   
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they have enough problems just 'cause they're men, and us girls are just too compassionate and stuff... *lol*

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/23/2010 10:02:19 PM   
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Maybe...

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they have enough problems just 'cause they're men, and us girls are just too compassionate and stuff... *lol*



Hee hee. That made me think of all the guys that always say "I've never had any complaints." There are not a whole lot of women (ok, probably a good number around here) who would tell a guy, "look you have a substandard penis and you suck in bed." Most of us just ain't like that.

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 3:38:36 AM   
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Thanks Julia.

Compelling argument that book puts forth. The idea that the pussy is feared and therefore diminished to remove the fear.


Sounds like a terrible, I'm going to bolster myself up with this crazy theory kind of argument.

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 3:52:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps but I do see a lot of truth in it.

Prepare for broad generalizations that may or may not apply to any male reading or male that a female reading knows.....

I believe that men do fear women at a very core level. Our bodies are quite different in many ways and most men lust after those bodies with the differences. Men HATE the idea of being weak yet that weakness for women's bodies is seen as just that, a weakness. So because of that perceived weakness, they attempt to demean, destroy, belittle, weaken, the woman for enjoying what the men lust after. It has been happening for centuries. Look at what they did to the bible to change the role of women in the church. What they did to Mary Magdelene. Whether or not you believe she was Jesus's wife, there is hard proof that she was never a prostitute. Yet the church so feared her influence they had to change scripture to demean her.

I think a large number of men approach this power exchange because of fear. They want to put a woman under their control and call her a slave so that they can control what they fear.

I often joke that the pussy has the power. It is less a joke than I make it. No man in the free world can simply 'take' any woman he wants. She has the power to either be taken, or reject. That basic awareness eats at many men. Because at their core they know the 'pussy has the power'. You can pretty it up any way you want but at the very core of hetro relationships in a society that does not surpress women, women control that which most men lust after. That which some men view as their greatest weakness.

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 4:16:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		LaT, I don't doubt that there are men like that, I just doubt it's any sort of meaningful majority. What I do believe, is that many men feel they can demean women, without suffering repercussions, whereas if they did the same to a man, they might get punched. Kinda sorta like how folks talk smack online, but would not say the same things face to face to someone.

A slight aside: I do agree with you 100% about how "men HATE the idea of being weak", but I think that most often shows itself in how straight men respond to gay men, or in how they react towards bottoming/submissive behaviour.

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 4:24:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		The most demeaning insults for each gender reflect upon historical roles, and perhaps to their PERCEIVED roles currently.
 
Therefore, women were objectified as a noun reflecting their main anthropological role as vehicles for producing offspring ie breeding - thus the insults become cunt, slut, whore etc. Barren women were also heavily ostricised, most notably by other females.
 
The most demeaning insults towards the male are verb based, upon their historic role as fighter, hunter etc and tend towards being a coward, bad 'provider' and to a lesser extent, impotency and sexual inadequacy.
 
Some would argue that calling a man a coward has the same visceral effect of calling a woman a cunt.

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 4:29:31 AM   
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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 5:01:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think yes and no. And how so, definitely is cultural. I just look at the two cultural worlds I spend the most time straddling. The area in which I live versus the area in which I work and socialize.

Where I live men are valued for their brawn and alcohol capacity in addition to the toys with motors they own. The bigger gas guzzlers are more macho. Much less so for intelligence, wardrobe, type or stability of job. How many guns they own and dead carcasses they can drag home. Women are valued for their slut potential, fuckability. Which is a pretty low barr given the alcohol capacity of the men. Bleached blonde hair with blue eye shadow, clothing two sizes too small (regardless of body type) sparkly accessories and excessive drinking combined with sexual promiscuity with the excessive drinking is highly prized. If she can tend bar and flirt with the testosterone flushed carcass draggers for some extra cash, it is a bonus. If a woman talks to a man that she is not related to or married to, she is flirting and visa versa. Very distinct gender expectations.

Where I work and socialize, the brain is more prized. Education, but more importantly, the creative use of it, is a treasure. Many have become business owners, sucessful artists and writers. It is much less gender specific. Being involved in the community, active in politics, aware of the world.......all admired qualities. Men are more slender/healthy, more relaxed and involved in parenting. The bars are for the college kids, very few for adults. Economy cars and alternative transportation are prized and admired. A man will often ride a bike to work and change clothes. A woman may be the more highly paid adult in the house. Gender roles are much more blurred. It just seems so much more relaxed and fun. Quirkiness, non conforming, is accepted. More of a, live and let live, mindset. People do what they feel is right and are passionate about it, but are less likely to berate those that are different or do not agree. There is no obvious gender perception in communicating. I guess gender is just much less a divider.

For me, there are pros and cons to both. My sense of humour will offend less people where I live. Where I live, more people are intimidated by my differences. I don't fit in. So if I want to be left alone and not engage, where I live is perfect. Where I work, I can be relaxed in my differences, enjoy the company of more likeminded people. Not consider whether or not my shoes are 'hawt' cuz some of the wealthiest, hippest, coolest, dress like bums, listen to great new music..........and have intelligent conversation with either gender, without gender being an issue. However, I do have to be more PC aware because if anything, people there are more sensitive to the issues.

Perhaps my babbling is going off kilter to the topic. I think that the more educated and culturally aware people are, the less divide between genders. Unfortunately it exists in pockets of society rather than being the norm of society.

I also believe that religioun and political affiliations play a big part in determining how people view gender roles and stereotypes.

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 5:20:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting stuff LaT.

Its also been talked about in psychology that men envy women because of their ability of create. Karen Horney coined the term "Womb Envy". This is liken to "Penis Envy". This Womb envy is the theory that woman's natural effortless ability to create offspring causes anxiety in men. Women create as a part of who they are. Where as men have to go out into the external world to create.


Edited to add: Vagina envy and Womb envy has been said to make men want to polorize and dominate that which they fear. Misogyny is also a result.

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 5:23:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I didn't see any babbling, LaT, fascinating post, "off kilter" or not. A huge amount of truth to what you've said, also; here in my part of Texas, it is very similar , but one difference, perhaps, is how many males still attempt to uphold the ideal of "southern gentlemen", so perhaps there is less overt, crude behaviour towards women, but it is still there under that polite veneer. And I don't say that to disparage your neck of the woods, just working off of what was written, good lady.

And why in the hell can't we have a perfect place, with the intellect, culture, and filthy, non-pc style of humor and communication?? Life can be cruel like that.

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I think that the more educated and culturally aware people are, the less divide between genders.


True, but... look at the world of D/s, in the real world, or here at CM. Lots of bright folks, but does power exchange lessen the gap, or keep it propped open?

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 5:23:54 AM   
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So how come there is not a demeaning equivalent for slut, cunt, whore for men, that packs the same punch?

Lets talk about this...


Firstly I use the term cunt when describing men far more than when describing women. So that leaves slut and whore, both of which are related to promiscuity, because that is something women are not meant to do, ones used for men tend to poke fun at the perceived notion of masculinity pencil dick as someone said douche bag is one mostly used towards men in my experience and prick obviously.

There are ones for men just different themes dependent on our idea of gender.

To be honest though I find it hard to get too up in arms about it when anti female feeling is often perpetuated by females themselves.

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 5:52:26 AM   
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Interesting stuff LaT.

Its also been talked about in psychology that men envy women because of their ability of create. Karen Horney coined the term "Womb Envy". This is liken to "Penis Envy". This Womb envy is the theory that woman's natural effortless ability to create offspring causes anxiety in men. Women create as a part of who they are. Where as men have to go out into the external world to create.


Sounds like total psychobabble from Horney.
 
First off it's not guaranteed to be a 'natural effortless ability'. Reproduction is a complex and difficult process, indeed impossible for some.
 
Secondly the creation of the offspring isn't gender specific and the notion of it occuring in either an external world or otherwise is vague. As humans don't reproduce asexually, conception has to occur externally to one of the sexes.
 
Any male envying 9 months of pregnancy and a painful parturition is projecting more issues than the simplistic view of envying a womb could hope to address.
 
Why the field of psychology continues to push antagonistic theories to explain all human sexual behaviour is beyond me.

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 5:55:48 AM   
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Interesting stuff LaT.

Its also been talked about in psychology that men envy women because of their ability of create. Karen Horney coined the term "Womb Envy". This is liken to "Penis Envy". This Womb envy is the theory that woman's natural effortless ability to create offspring causes anxiety in men. Women create as a part of who they are. Where as men have to go out into the external world to create.


Sounds like total psychobabble from Horney.

First off it's not guaranteed to be a 'natural effortless ability'. Reproduction is a complex and difficult process, indeed impossible for some.

Secondly the creation of the offspring isn't gender specific and the notion of it occuring in either an external world or otherwise is vague. As humans don't reproduce asexually, conception has to occur externally to one of the sexes.

Any male envying 9 months of pregnancy and a painful parturition is projecting more issues than the simplistic view of envying a womb could hope to address.

Why the field of psychology continues to push antagonistic theories to explain all human sexual behaviour is beyond me.



You may be right. But where do you think misogyny comes from? You know its out there. right? You've seen it. Some do loathe us? Is it for being weak or having the prized pussy?

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 6:05:48 AM   
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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 6:08:13 AM   
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But where do you think misogyny comes from? You know its out there. right? You've seen it. Some do loathe us? Is it for being weak or having the prized pussy?


perhaps it started "In the Beginning..."?
doesn't "Sunday School" teach us when we are young that "Eve" was a weak-willed conniving ungrateful piece of crap and if it wasn't for her, all of womankind wouldn't be scorned for eternity...it'd be all "Garden of Eden" all over the place...no thorns...no loathing?

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