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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 6:17:39 AM   
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But where do you think misogyny comes from? You know its out there. right? You've seen it. Some do loathe us? Is it for being weak or having the prized pussy?


perhaps it started "In the Beginning..."?
doesn't "Sunday School" teach us when we are young that "Eve" was a weak-willed conniving ungrateful piece of crap and if it wasn't for her, all of womankind wouldn't be scorned for eternity...it'd be all "Garden of Eden" all over the place...no thorns...no loathing?

maybe in your Sunday school...not ours.


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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 6:17:44 AM   
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Interesting stuff LaT.

Its also been talked about in psychology that men envy women because of their ability of create. Karen Horney coined the term "Womb Envy". This is liken to "Penis Envy". This Womb envy is the theory that woman's natural effortless ability to create offspring causes anxiety in men. Women create as a part of who they are. Where as men have to go out into the external world to create.


Sounds like total psychobabble from Horney.

First off it's not guaranteed to be a 'natural effortless ability'. Reproduction is a complex and difficult process, indeed impossible for some.

Secondly the creation of the offspring isn't gender specific and the notion of it occuring in either an external world or otherwise is vague. As humans don't reproduce asexually, conception has to occur externally to one of the sexes.

Any male envying 9 months of pregnancy and a painful parturition is projecting more issues than the simplistic view of envying a womb could hope to address.

Why the field of psychology continues to push antagonistic theories to explain all human sexual behaviour is beyond me.



You may be right. But where do you think misogyny comes from? You know its out there. right? You've seen it. Some do loathe us? Is it for being weak or having the prized pussy?


Let's start a Misogyny thread, Lushie? Maybe not...
 
I think it is absolutely out there. I just don't subscribe to it being a universal trait in males. Ergo if it is not present in the whole male population then the cause of it is not always sexual. It's not even confined to one sex.
 
I don't think the cause of it is necessarily explicable either. I think you left out my opinion of the current leading cause, in fact you stated the opposite, of women being (perceived as) weak. I think it is more to do with women assuming more traditional male roles. Territorial loss can be a big motivator.
 
As an aside it's interesting that this thread has primarily focussed on insults being based on sexuality. If I were to insult someone, it would be the last criteria I would use, as it is something that is essentially ordained and fixed. I would use their behaviour/actions/opinions, which I would hope would be the reason I was resorting to an insult in the first place.
 
Then again, I rate logic very high in a D's ability set, so maybe it's me.

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 6:19:40 AM   
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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 6:21:28 AM   
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But where do you think misogyny comes from? You know its out there. right? You've seen it. Some do loathe us? Is it for being weak or having the prized pussy?


perhaps it started "In the Beginning..."?
doesn't "Sunday School" teach us when we are young that "Eve" was a weak-willed conniving ungrateful piece of crap and if it wasn't for her, all of womankind wouldn't be scorned for eternity...it'd be all "Garden of Eden" all over the place...no thorns...no loathing?

maybe in your Sunday school...not ours.



Not to mention that it leaves out all of the non-Christian wimmin-haters.

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 6:25:44 AM   
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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 6:28:05 AM   
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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 6:36:13 AM   
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But where do you think misogyny comes from? You know its out there. right? You've seen it. Some do loathe us? Is it for being weak or having the prized pussy?


perhaps it started "In the Beginning..."?
doesn't "Sunday School" teach us when we are young that "Eve" was a weak-willed conniving ungrateful piece of crap and if it wasn't for her, all of womankind wouldn't be scorned for eternity...it'd be all "Garden of Eden" all over the place...no thorns...no loathing?

maybe in your Sunday school...not ours.



Not to mention that it leaves out all of the non-Christian wimmin-haters.


"Sunday School" was in quotes to symbolize any sect of religious wimmin-haters that incorporate the "Garden if Eden" story into their dogma---not just the many branches of the Christian religion.

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 6:36:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		But the world is what it is. I know. I have been made to be uncomfortable from the first day I ventured into the work force at 13 and got sexually harassed by a 17 year old.

I think perhaps a lot of the demeaning of women comes from woman being physically weaker and unable to fight back (without training or a gun). You are pressured for sex and then demeaned if you liked it. So i am a tease but if I give men what they want I am a slut or a whore and he gets a pat on the back. But there are worse things I can do.

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 6:38:50 AM   
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Not to mention that it leaves out all of the non-Christian wimmin-haters.


Yes and no, it wouldn't be so simple as if you believe in the bible then you believe that, a lot of early messages are passed down through socialisation, so it matters not a jot what you believe in now religiously but whether in your past it was a believe, that is if it is down to religion alone though I do not think it is.

I think it is perpetuated by common assumptions and statements. Ok so I am going to bang on about it but the age appropriate thread said that young women would only be interested in what is in a mans wallet by a couple of posters, there were women also agreeing with similar sentiments, it is things like that supposedly innocent that continues to taint a sex.

Men get it just as much, men have to be strong and supportive the feminist movement has totally displaced the role of men, though it isnt politically correct to say so. Women throw their arms in the air about sexism yet happily imply all that motives men is sex and other such rubbish without anyone batting an eyelid that I find ironic

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 6:38:56 AM   
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But where do you think misogyny comes from? You know its out there. right? You've seen it. Some do loathe us? Is it for being weak or having the prized pussy?


perhaps it started "In the Beginning..."?
doesn't "Sunday School" teach us when we are young that "Eve" was a weak-willed conniving ungrateful piece of crap and if it wasn't for her, all of womankind wouldn't be scorned for eternity...it'd be all "Garden of Eden" all over the place...no thorns...no loathing?

maybe in your Sunday school...not ours.



Not to mention that it leaves out all of the non-Christian wimmin-haters.


"Sunday School" was in quotes to symbolize any sect of religious wimmin-haters that incorporate the "Garden if Eden" story into their dogma---not just the many branches of the Christian religion.


Okay, but that still leaves out the non-religious misogonists.

I'm not saying that it isn't part of the problem, though.

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 6:43:23 AM   
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And, as my first (I think) post in this thread stated, the women are physically weaker theory is something we can agree on. It's sad that it happens, for whatever reasons.

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 6:46:08 AM   
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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 6:50:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		indeed, Level...it's got to be a multi-faceted problem...everyone wasn't "washed in the blood of the lamb" or whatever other bizarre symbolism such as Eve's Big Fuck Up that is foisted on the innocent to digest.

this slave was merely offering up a suggestion as to the large number of folks who were indoctrinated into some sort of religious dogma that includes the "Garden of Eden" story in their early formative years---even if they gave it up later, for whatever reason---might be, on some level, going with that nonsense as their foundation.

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 6:53:23 AM   
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indeed, Level...it's got to be a multi-faceted problem...everyone wasn't "washed in the blood of the lamb" or whatever other bizarre symbolism such as Eve's Big Fuck Up that is foisted on the innocent to digest.

this slave was merely offering up a suggestion as to the large number of folks who were indoctrinated into some sort of religious dogma that includes the "Garden of Eden" story in their early formative years---even if they gave it up later, for whatever reason---might be, on some level, going with that nonsense as their foundation.


Yes, plus the attitudes of the bible are just reflective of the society they came from.

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 7:17:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think it is a good point to remember that the Bible is reflective of its culture and times, that helps from a context perspective.  Women were lower class, banned during childbirth and menstruation.  This does nothing to help the cause of capable women.  Thank goodness attitudes have changed.  Many people study the Bible in the present time and preach from it without respecting the culture it was born in.

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 8:35:45 AM   
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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 9:19:23 AM   
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The attitude and thought towards females did not just originate in the bible. Ancient philosophers, such as Aristotle, also had a poor opinion of females. As Level stated, it comes from many places and there is no single thing to point a finger at.

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 9:45:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		More to the point on a practical level is why people still accept these as insults?

Face it--people dance around sexual feelings and expression in our culture, largely because they don't know what to do about them. So they deride and repress them.

A large part of understanding and living our natures is to understand that we are part of nature, just as the animals. As long as we insist on seeing ourselves as separate, we'll have invented contradictions to perpetuate the lie.

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 10:04:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		There may not be as many insults for men, but we do have our "manhood" called in to question whenever we don't conform.  In my life, if I treated a women like sex objects I was a man; but when I treated women like human beings I was seen (by women) as gay, having issues with my mother, or lacking enough testosterone to be a "real man".

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RE: Why no insults for men? - 1/24/2010 10:07:23 AM   
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Maybe...

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they have enough problems just 'cause they're men, and us girls are just too compassionate and stuff... *lol*



Hee hee. That made me think of all the guys that always say "I've never had any complaints." There are not a whole lot of women (ok, probably a good number around here) who would tell a guy, "look you have a substandard penis and you suck in bed." Most of us just ain't like that.


I would definitely tell a guy that. Why should I waste my precious time with a substandard penis? I mean, really, that's all men are good for, for god's sake, now that most are not good providers, not to mention how women cannot get paid the same by these cowardly men afraid of pussy power. I mean, sheesh, some men think pussies have teeth.

(hopes everyone knows the above is sarcasm, you never know around here).

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