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RE: Knife Play - 2/9/2010 10:07:51 AM   
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Which I think it also has to be stated again that as a bottom and a mostly self identified sub, it is amazing how our minds will instantly recreate worst case scenarios in our heads especially when we are bound and blindfolded and our minor doubts will be exaggerated out of proportion. Even when both people involved have no intention to do any cutting but simply do a knife play scene, there is always that slim chance of the bototm acquiring a small nick...it happens. Yet the mind will assume the worst even if that is NOT what is going to happen. Our own minds do play great mind fucks with or without the help of a top.




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RE: Knife Play - 2/9/2010 10:51:22 AM   
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Which I think it also has to be stated again that as a bottom and a mostly self identified sub, it is amazing how our minds will instantly recreate worst case scenarios in our heads especially when we are bound and blindfolded and our minor doubts will be exaggerated out of proportion. Even when both people involved have no intention to do any cutting but simply do a knife play scene, there is always that slim chance of the bottom acquiring a small nick...it happens. Yet the mind will assume the worst even if that is NOT what is going to happen. Our own minds do play great mind fucks with or without the help of a top.


Blissfully perfect!



LOL... I love to play upon with somebody blindfolded, and they have no idea what I'm doing to them. OMG, what is going on, what is that warm hot sensation going on. (whatever thoughts that come to their mind). Then OMG what is.. When I switch to something else. Temperate and textures. I get what you are saying, however I've tended to capitalize upon it this with the "What is he doing to me, or what's coming next sensation game", them trying to gauge and access how dangerous what I'm exploring or doing to them really is....

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RE: Knife Play - 2/9/2010 11:32:59 AM   
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This topic may not be suited for everyone.

I thought it might be interesting this morning to talk about knife play.  It was something that occurred to Me while I was reading another thread where the topic went to discussing if something was wanted it wasn't really forced and things that aren't real don't appeal to some. 

With that, My mind drifted to a very specific area of knife play.  More accurately stated as those who really enjoy knives, but not to the extent of being cut.  Those who like the cold steel being dragged along the skin, without the skin being opened or any blood being a part of the play.

So, in My head, I was combining these two different thoughts.  Some people don't 'play' unless a scene is real.  At the same time, there are also folks out there who enjoy knife play, but have a hard limit of cutting or scarification in any way.  Then, I thought, for some people, isn't part of the thrill of knife play the very fact that there is some fear based on what isn't real?  Isn't part of the fun being afraid of the potential that the top *could* cut them, even though they know the person they are playing with wouldn't intentionally break their hard limit of cutting them?

From the top side, I know this is part of why knife play (without cutting) appeals to Me.  I like playing with that kind of fear.  Even though the bottom knows that I wouldn't intentionally break their hard limit, there's still that part in them that is afraid because of what I could do.  Blade in My hand while they are bound and helpless, with no immediate escape unless I set them free.  It's not anything that I even have to vocalize.  I know the what if's that are running through their mind.  What if I might break their limit?  What if they are really in danger?  What if I'm not as trustworthy as they led themselves to believe I am?

Of course, at some point, the scene ends.  The bottom was never really cut.  The threat and the helplessness gone.

So, My question is, was it real, or not?

Nicely written, Lady P and indeed, an interesting topic.

I've done knife play with a couple of submissives.  Neither of them was into being cut but they were both into fear.  Tapping into fears while discussing a submissive's life, her wants, her needs, her insecurities is one of those things that allows me, as both a dominant who pays attention and a dominant who is creative, to go places that heighten the intensity...whether for a series of moments within the scene or throughout the entire scene...for her and for myself.

The first time I brought my knife out with my last submissive, I made a deliberate point of showing her the size of it, how clean and shiny the blade was, all while moving it in front of her vision.  Then, to demonstrate the sharpness of it, I "casually" glided it along her collar bones.  Several minutes later, there was a distinctive mark underneath both collarbones...marks which she did finger with a smile.  The knife DID come into play later within a scene with her and while I never cut her...and she knew I would not...she also knew I COULD, much as she knew each and every time I took her throat in my hand, under my ring, that I could choke her and NOT stop.

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RE: Knife Play - 2/9/2010 11:38:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dear Lady Pact,

It is very real in the mind. Since the mind is the origin of perception.

A question:

What is the intention of the Dominant wielding the Knife?

Surely it is not breaking a hard limit for that would end that particular session of play and make further sessions of play extremely uncomfortable for the submissive at the mercy of the knife.

The acts themselves build faith/trust onto which further acts can be performed to the satisfaction of both parties.

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RE: Knife Play - 2/9/2010 11:43:27 AM   
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While trust can indeed be built in exercises such as this, sometimes things are just meant for the fun of the dominant.

There have been times when I've used knife play to build trust. Othertimes, it's just hot and I wanna do it, with no other intention involved other than getting myself off.

ETA: Perhaps I was born with more testosterone than estrogen...lol.

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RE: Knife Play - 2/9/2010 11:43:58 AM   
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The first time I brought my knife out with my last submissive, I made a deliberate point of showing her the size of it, how clean and shiny the blade was, all while moving it in front of her vision.  Then, to demonstrate the sharpness of it, I "casually" glided it along her collar bones.  Several minutes later, there was a distinctive mark underneath both collarbones...marks which she did finger with a smile.  The knife DID come into play later within a scene with her and while I never cut her...and she knew I would not...she also knew I COULD, much as she knew each and every time I took her throat in my hand, under my ring, that I could choke her and NOT stop.


I sincerely, never viewed this a MIND FUCK per se. Now, the example you just gave, I totally understand and can relate to. However, I've always viewed this something else. So with that said, many of my previous posts don't per se apply to what the OP was looking for. :-)

Thank you for taking the time to underline some keyword points, and sharing this example. What you desribed has always been a given aspect of play, that perhaps I've taken for granted or not labeled it? Hell, if I know... I've always just considered it as a given part of play, at least for me. Ummm...

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RE: Knife Play - 2/9/2010 11:52:02 AM   
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I know you asked LP, but I'll chime in.

While trust can indeed be built in exercises such as this, sometimes things are just meant for the fun of the dominant.

There have been times when I've used knife play to build trust. Othertimes, it's just hot and I wanna do it, with no other intention involved other than getting myself off.


What is Fun for the Dominant is Fun for me (as long as hard limits remain intact).

It is weird. I 'get off' when my Dominant gets off. Satisfaction?? Is that what they call it? A job well done? Something but damn is it hot when I am useful (but not used).

Phew... is it getting hot in here?






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RE: Knife Play - 2/9/2010 12:00:16 PM   
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I know you asked LP, but I'll chime in.

While trust can indeed be built in exercises such as this, sometimes things are just meant for the fun of the dominant.

There have been times when I've used knife play to build trust. Othertimes, it's just hot and I wanna do it, with no other intention involved other than getting myself off.


What is Fun for the Dominant is Fun for me (as long as hard limits remain intact).

It is weird. I 'get off' when my Dominant gets off. Satisfaction?? Is that what they call it? A job well done? Something but damn is it hot when I am useful (but not used).

Phew... is it getting hot in here?




Weird? Not at all! Hell, that's one of the things I enjoy about submissive men. Them getting off on me getting off...fun stuff.

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RE: Knife Play - 2/9/2010 12:07:33 PM   
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Dear Lady Pact,

It is very real in the mind. Since the mind is the origin of perception.

A question:

What is the intention of the Dominant wielding the Knife?

Surely it is not breaking a hard limit for that would end that particular session of play and make further sessions of play extremely uncomfortable for the submissive at the mercy of the knife.

The acts themselves build faith/trust onto which further acts can be performed to the satisfaction of both parties.

~Pyroaquatic


Dear pyroaquatic,

There are various ones.  It can very much depend upon the bottom in question.  As I've stated prior, I do very much enjoy fear being the response.  Fear, like power and control, are hot to Me.  If going on that path, yes, I want it to frighten you, in a sense.

There's also the part about reaffirming trust.  Yes, I want you to get to the other side of the scene.  I want you to see that the fear was unfounded.  That, even though you may have allowed your mind to doubt that trust, even for just a bit, when the whole thing is over, that trust is even stronger because the fear really was only in your mind.

It actually can be a bonding experience.



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RE: Knife Play - 2/9/2010 12:10:16 PM   
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The first time I brought my knife out with my last submissive, I made a deliberate point of showing her the size of it, how clean and shiny the blade was, all while moving it in front of her vision.  Then, to demonstrate the sharpness of it, I "casually" glided it along her collar bones.  Several minutes later, there was a distinctive mark underneath both collarbones...marks which she did finger with a smile.  The knife DID come into play later within a scene with her and while I never cut her...and she knew I would not...she also knew I COULD, much as she knew each and every time I took her throat in my hand, under my ring, that I could choke her and NOT stop.


I sincerely, never viewed this a MIND FUCK per se. Now, the example you just gave, I totally understand and can relate to. However, I've always viewed this something else. So with that said, many of my previous posts don't per se apply to what the OP was looking for. :-)

Thank you for taking the time to underline some keyword points, and sharing this example. What you desribed has always been a given aspect of play, that perhaps I've taken for granted or not labeled it? Hell, if I know... I've always just considered it as a given part of play, at least for me. Ummm...
You are quite welcome, whiplash.  I tend to look at things from a great many angles...as noted in another post on another thread.  This tendency tends to lead me to not only examine the physical aspects of whatever play I am going to do/are doing but also the psychological and emotional ones. 

Here is an example from something very basic that most of us do...knowing that a submissive fears or is humiliated by orgasming while being spanked and knowing that her twisted/naughty/wicked nature sometimes disturbs her.  Now take that and deliberately play it out...you can spank her over your knee while all the while you keep reminding her that she is being spanked just like a little girl but that YOU know, as does she, that her reaction is that of a grown-up slut and that her orgasm will prove just what a slut she is...what a twisted slut she is.  This is just one variation on a mindfuck that goes not only to the physical...i.e., the spanking...but the emotional (her reactions to being spanked, to being called a slut, to being called a little girl, to the oncoming orgasm), the mental (the twist in her mindset of a naughty little girl who is going to orgasm and enjoy it...from PAIN).

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RE: Knife Play - 2/9/2010 12:36:58 PM   
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The first time I brought my knife out with my last submissive, I made a deliberate point of showing her the size of it, how clean and shiny the blade was, all while moving it in front of her vision.  Then, to demonstrate the sharpness of it, I "casually" glided it along her collar bones.  Several minutes later, there was a distinctive mark underneath both collarbones...marks which she did finger with a smile.  The knife DID come into play later within a scene with her and while I never cut her...and she knew I would not...she also knew I COULD, much as she knew each and every time I took her throat in my hand, under my ring, that I could choke her and NOT stop.


I sincerely, never viewed this a MIND FUCK per se. Now, the example you just gave, I totally understand and can relate to. However, I've always viewed this something else. So with that said, many of my previous posts don't per se apply to what the OP was looking for. :-)

Thank you for taking the time to underline some keyword points, and sharing this example. What you desribed has always been a given aspect of play, that perhaps I've taken for granted or not labeled it? Hell, if I know... I've always just considered it as a given part of play, at least for me. Ummm...
You are quite welcome, whiplash.  I tend to look at things from a great many angles...as noted in another post on another thread.  This tendency tends to lead me to not only examine the physical aspects of whatever play I am going to do/are doing but also the psychological and emotional ones. 

Here is an example from something very basic that most of us do...knowing that a submissive fears or is humiliated by orgasming while being spanked and knowing that her twisted/naughty/wicked nature sometimes disturbs her.  Now take that and deliberately play it out...you can spank her over your knee while all the while you keep reminding her that she is being spanked just like a little girl but that YOU know, as does she, that her reaction is that of a grown-up slut and that her orgasm will prove just what a slut she is...what a twisted slut she is.  This is just one variation on a mindfuck that goes not only to the physical...i.e., the spanking...but the emotional (her reactions to being spanked, to being called a slut, to being called a little girl, to the oncoming orgasm), the mental (the twist in her mindset of a naughty little girl who is going to orgasm and enjoy it...from PAIN).


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RE: Knife Play - 2/9/2010 12:49:40 PM   
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This one enjoys knife play and any kind of "dangerous" edge play.  The sensations are wonderful, the "hold still" meaning a razor sharp edge, and she loves the feel of cold steel.  she's played with everything from daggers, hunting knives, razors, up to and including huge war axes (they were the razor sharp edges).  The only problem is:  there is no thrill of fear.  If she trusts someone enough that she allows them to bind her while they have a knife in their hand, she trusts them enough to know what to do with it.  Sure, there's been accidents, little nicks and scratches, but nothing major.   Heck, even letter openers are dangerous in the hands of incompetents.

The scenes have been real, to her and to the Top....in a way.  They were enjoyable but they didn't contain that helplessness or "threat of danger".   Even during a takedown scene:  ex-Master managed to get her trussed somewhat, cut off all her clothing then put the knife up close to her eye and said (in a menacing voice) "See what I've got?  Now what?"....she pretty much came at that point....but still had no fear.  It was Master.  she was safe.

Is there any way to overcome this lack of fear?   To actually feel the danger and the helplessness?   Or is the trust one has in her Master so limitless that mindf***s are not possible?



i also love the fear factor, which is so much more intense when the danger is real. Master understands this and did not physically bind me.
The mindf*** comes in the form of the strength of my own submission. i had to fight my own instincts to jerk or pull away in fear. i trust Master completely... in this scenario, i had to place that trust in myself, in the depth of my submission and in my ability to feel the 'mental bindings' that He had commanded.
im not sure it works for everyone... but the effect was powerful for U/us!








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RE: Knife Play - 2/9/2010 1:04:02 PM   
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You are quite welcome, whiplash.  I tend to look at things from a great many angles...as noted in another post on another thread.  This tendency tends to lead me to not only examine the physical aspects of whatever play I am going to do/are doing but also the psychological and emotional ones. 

Here is an example from something very basic that most of us do...knowing that a submissive fears or is humiliated by orgasming while being spanked and knowing that her twisted/naughty/wicked nature sometimes disturbs her.  Now take that and deliberately play it out...you can spank her over your knee while all the while you keep reminding her that she is being spanked just like a little girl but that YOU know, as does she, that her reaction is that of a grown-up slut and that her orgasm will prove just what a slut she is...what a twisted slut she is.  This is just one variation on a mindfuck that goes not only to the physical...i.e., the spanking...but the emotional (her reactions to being spanked, to being called a slut, to being called a little girl, to the oncoming orgasm), the mental (the twist in her mindset of a naughty little girl who is going to orgasm and enjoy it...from PAIN).


I just made a quick trip to the store and on my way there and back, I was thinking to myself, OH Good God, Dugh, I can't believe how much I was missing the mark on this thread. Considering the meaning of "what is" or "is not" a mind fuck.

First and foremost, when it comes to doing this kind of stuff. I have always considered it Ethical without question when it's clearly play. Meaning scene play or just playing around. If it's not ethical, then somebody condemn me now, and forever shun/ban me from this website or any BDSM community. This is actually how much I truely have taken this as a given.

Times when Ethics would come into question. When your partner is pissed off at you and your in the kitchen together, not the time to play to play around with knives. * I'm giving an example outside of the BDSM play box *

Inside of the BDSM play box, unless they are having PTSD moment, panic attack, Asthma attack (general list of similar things), simply running a knife over their body and play around like you might cut them... No problem Ethically. Hell, to even verbally toy around with them about it. Should be no big issue of ethics involved. If Knife play is not a hard limit and has been talked about, or already is an establish activity (should not be a question at all).

Now, outside of the BDSM play scene box. Gasp... How dare I even step outside this box for a moment. I've done some pretty playful things. However, it was clearly known it was play in a playful moment. Hell, I've even held out kicthen Knives, Butter Knifes, Steak Knifes and etc... and threaten that they were going to Really Get it (refering to sex or play) after Dinner or whatever, A moment of pressing them against the kicthen cabnets, my leg placed between their legs.. pressing my body to their.. the knife slowly working it way up their body to the throat.. a deep stare into the eyes.. with a nibbling kiss to the lips. Then back to slicing and dicing Onions or whatever else was going on. Good Lord... Clearly in a context that not violates ethics or needs to be done only inside the BDSM scene context. I'm literally dumb ass founded as to how complex I was trying to make it. All because of the what the Meaning of MIND FUCK personally means to me. Some of this stuff is Teasing around, or just the normal natural state of things for me. Clearly, without any big issues of ethics or other big issues.

* Dugh * I feel like I have been experiencing a blond moment through out this whole damn thread up until now. Lord, perhaps I should commit Cyber Suicide in an attempt to save face right now.

Again, CreativeDominant... THANK YOU for the enlightenment. I true can see how this fits into Mind Fucks where it's Not a Practical Joke at all. My mind was one place and this thread was another place. (Sheepish Grin of slight embrassment now).

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RE: Knife Play - 2/9/2010 7:19:52 PM   
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I true can see how this fits into Mind Fucks where it's Not a Practical Joke at all. My mind was one place and this thread was another place.



First, thank you for your reply to my post to you about practical jokes.  I actually think there is a fine line between the two.  If the "top" were toying in such a way with the "bottom" simply for his own amusement and to get a laugh out of it, I suppose it could be both a mind fuck AND a practical joke.  Twisted, eh? 

I think it's just my personal history that has me react as I do when things cross the "practical joke" line.  And yet, others love them.  Vive la difference!  :)


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RE: Knife Play - 2/10/2010 12:01:15 AM   
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I true can see how this fits into Mind Fucks where it's Not a Practical Joke at all. My mind was one place and this thread was another place.



First, thank you for your reply to my post to you about practical jokes.  I actually think there is a fine line between the two.  If the "top" were toying in such a way with the "bottom" simply for his own amusement and to get a laugh out of it, I suppose it could be both a mind fuck AND a practical joke.  Twisted, eh? 

I think it's just my personal history that has me react as I do when things cross the "practical joke" line.  And yet, others love them.  Vive la difference!  :)



al beit so be it, I should have been cyber ejected for being so much off-topic. I'm very much reminded of, so many differences in the ways people interact and things we take for granted, or dont'.

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RE: Knife Play - 2/10/2010 2:04:33 AM   
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So, in My head, I was combining these two different thoughts. 

I had combined these thoughts together, in different manners.

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Some people don't 'play' unless a scene is real.


Define real? Define 'play'? Define a 'scene'? This alone can be a thread or three threads.

Personally, I feel like I entered BDSM rather backwards at times. The rules of engagement I learned were based off from life experiences. As opposed to the introduction of rules of engagement from a BDSM Community or Organized Group. This has a certain degree of Advantages, yet at the same time "Disadvantages".

I do things for my pleasure and enjoyment. I do things for pleasure and enjoy of others. I do things for the experiences. The mental and physical aspects very much coupled. Define real? Real what exactly?

Is it more realistic play? Is it engaging in actvitities that are real as opposed to bad fantasy acting? The recent S&M thread had me questioning certain mindsets within myself. However, these mindsets are blended and regulated by my own moral/ethical value sets. I have always questioned how far could I go with things, if I was paired up with somebody extremely Masochistic in nature. Where they are very much into both the mental and physical aspects of S&M.

The levels and degree of play, often do intensify. Things that once seem very excieting to do, just don't cut it anymore. Things get kicked a notch or two. What has been amazing for me. Is being able to mentally process the "intensity of pleasure, and sure horror" along the way. To find yourself in a moment conflicted between being "mortified" and "delighted". Truely an OMFG moment.

"I can't believe I just fucking did that, holy crap what the fuck is wrong with me, I feel like I'm selling my soul to the devil." but the conflicting side is "OMG that was amazing, I'm going to have a fucking hard on all week, wow that was HOT."

This is a moment of internal conflict, that mentally gets processed. Is this Real? Is it safe to surrender to "the dark side". Should I surrender more to "the dark side". I am expressing the challenges that a Dominant/top is faced with at times. Limits and the pushing of those limits, is not Exclusive to the submissive/slave/bottom (reciever/victim/target) of activities.

There is a Higher Degree of Trust and connection established in a relatonship. With that said, it becomes safer to step outside of the BDSM play box. Play can and does become more fluid. However, is it really play or perhaps something more Real? Becomes almost an issue of philosophical. ethical and moral debate. Such as the difference between being Domineering and Dominant?

I will openly admit, I have some Domineering Facets to my personality. It's however governed by my own consious, according to a moral/ethical framework. Every time the word Domineering is dragged out as what defines the True single difference in the matter of what is a True DOM, I cringe. For I have Domineering moments and facets.

Mind you, I'm not a complete asshole about things. Again, I have morals and ethics. Will I be extremely Pushy about things at times. You betcha I will. It all depends upon what it is. It's rather subjective and situational. The truth of the matter is that I can be Domineering to a degree. (this is reality rather than idealisms bantered about amoung a BDSM community).

On the flip side, there is also a very kicked back, extremely easy going facet to my personality. I'll literally, take many things with a grain of salt. I'm not trying to control nor be in control over every single detail and moment of life. Life is stressful enough, without me holding onto the delusions I can control everthing. The are things I have Zero want or desire to control. I do have CONTROL FREAK moments or Freakisms. There are things I openly Admit I'm a control Freak about. However, I'm not a complete control freak across the board.

How to express to these things to a Community? That I'm sort of kinda a Control Freak, but not Really, cause it all kinda sorta maybe Depends? JUST What is a "true" Control Freak anyways? Do you see the Delima I am faced with? I'm Domineering to a point, but then again I not Domineering? I can extremely easy to talk to, yet I can extremely Hard Headed. Oxymorons and Paradoxs and Contridictions.

One thing is a given, the more any relationship develops, trust and patterns of behavior grow. My Vanilla and BDSM life is very connected and blurred together at times. A certain degree of Unity. I don't magically transform myself into somebody else while I engage in play.

Scene play, generally is an establish safety ZONE. Meaning, it's safer to explore limits and more extreme desires and aspects. It's a safe environment for both the top/bottom, Dom/sub, Master/slave (add label combination nausa).

Now, that I've rambled on so much....

After awhile of playing with Knifes within the "safe confines" of the "BDSM scene" play box... Trust is established, along with whatever measure of skills have been gained. Playing around with knifes outside is not so bad or nor scarey.

PLAYING WITH KNIFES - at an Early AGE...

I grew up with knives. I played with knives since I was like.. Oh lord.. since I was like 10 years old? Throwing knifes, sticking them into wooden targets, carrying them with me while playing Army with neighborhood friends. Going out into the woods, using a knife to cut kudzu to create make shift hide outs. Then again, I was living in Mobile, AL. There was a certain aspect of "Southern" or "Red Neck" culture that influenced 10 years of my life. From Childhood into teenage years.

EAT THE PEG - Sadistic Knife Playing Game (not for every one)

We even used to play a Game called Eat the PEG. Where everybody is sitting in a circle crossed legged (just like the classic Duck Duck Goose Game) a Wooden peg about the size of Golf Tee in shoved into the ground. You go around the circle, everbody taking turns at throw a knife at other peoples hands (closed or open, depending upon what was agreed upon). If you move your Hand at all. One slight movement of any kind. You had to "Eat the Peg", taking your teeth and removing it from the ground. The length of the peg and how far it was spiked into the Ground would vary. Often it was shoved futher and further into the ground every time somebody Ate that Peg. The peg might start off being 2" inches sticking out of the ground. Very easy to remove. However, as the Peg was driven father down into the Ground. The intensitive of Play increased. People would start to throw the Knife much closer to the hands. Why? Because the peg was practically buried into the ground. So yeah! Dirt and Grass in mouth was Expected. So where the Fucks ups. Knifes do really cut you know, the Blood was very real. Not uncommon to stick your own hand to your mouth as a reaction. Some people that got into Vampirism often started with the Taste of their own blood in their own mouth. (I should be pleading the 5th here probally).

Yes, this was a very sadistic game. I assure everybody that the knife throwing was very real. Eating a peg out of the Ground, again very real. I can assure you that the injuried were in fact very real, with real TRUE bleeding and blood. The Thrill and Excietment was very REAL. The risks were real. I can assure everybody that I have around 5 years experience Playing this Game. Have not played it years though. Just like I have not played Duck Duck Goose in years as well.

None the less, there was basic foundational learning experience, in what it's like to throw a knife as close to another human being. Oh yeah, Might I add. There were Rules Agreed upon regarding if somebody were to cut somebody with the knife. This is where you had to eat the peg and were Outted from the Game. The Rules would vary and were adjusted to the Skill levels of the Players. However, all this was negoatied established before Entering Game play. This is where people's imaginations for outlining the rules would come into play.

Damn, I can't believe I'm sharing some of my Early Age Foundational experiences in regards to Playing around with knifes... Not to be confused with BDSM Knife play per se.. yet, this stuff is all conjoined together in terms of knifes in general for me. Be it playing around with knifes, Play with Knifes, Knife Play or fucking around with knifes. sigh...

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RE: Knife Play - 2/10/2010 4:07:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Whiplashsmile, that is the best blog I have read on here in a long time. Your very good at putting down deep and logical thoughts, questions and answers.

I don't have the gift of expressing myself like you do but I will give it a try.

Both Steves and my vanilla relationships failed because of our personalities. The way we are now shows off our true personalities to there full extent but were unlikely to of ever been allowed to take on their full shape without each other. He refuses to be called a dominant. For this to be real and not just a game, scene or fantasy, one needs to be their natural self and only then can we channel our natural self into something deeper.
It was an unspoken agreement from the start that playing around was for sexual gratification but the rest was just a very natural part of who we are. The lifestyle for us is just an integrated system of yin and yang..Two apposing forces interconnecting.
Its taken years for us to reach this level. I spent years being a dominant and he spent years playing around with submissives but there was something missing and I think both of us can agree that missing thing was reality. Without reality there is no balance.
So, Steve is not my dominant and I am certainly not his submissive. I don't need to be a submissive to know that 'NO' means 'NO'! or that when he demands something he demands it as 'Stephen' but never as a dominant. When I read questions on the boards like 'what should I do to please Master?' or 'How should I punish my slave?' I don't actually understand it because it seems almost too far from reality. I can't comprehend it because I/We are so far away from all of that but just as I don't understand them, they wont understand that if I raised my voice in anger to Steve he would slap me down even if I was angry or when recently I threw a wobbly and started to throw clothes, pots and pans and anything I could lay my hands on out of the boat, he calmly grabbed a kicking and screaming me, tied me up, took out a knife and cut off my clothes before having his way with me. Its difficult to write about this sort of stuff because I lay myself open to people claiming I am in an abusive relationship but IM NOT! I am just in a relationship that vanilla women and probably many scene women wouldn't understand.
I know Steve sometimes questions himself about what he does because he was raised that morally this is wrong and it would be morally wrong if I was against it but again IM NOT.
I know for certain that if I lost Steve as a partner then the chances of finding this lifestyle would be so remote that I would never again find a calm satisfaction within this world

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RE: Knife Play - 2/10/2010 7:51:06 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: allthatjaz
Whiplashsmile, that is the best blog I have read on here in a long time. Your very good at putting down deep and logical thoughts, questions and answers.


Thank you, though I do question myself at times about it.

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I don't have the gift of expressing myself like you do but I will give it a try.

You did a Fantastic Job of it and I very much enjoyed it.

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Both Steves and my vanilla relationships failed because of our personalities. The way we are now shows off our true personalities to there full extent but were unlikely to of ever been allowed to take on their full shape without each other.

This I can relate to 100% without question.

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He refuses to be called a dominant. For this to be real and not just a game, scene or fantasy, one needs to be their natural self and only then can we channel our natural self into something deeper.


I'm all too happy to hand over my Dominant title before a Review Board, it that means I can simply be myself.

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It was an unspoken agreement from the start that playing around was for sexual gratification but the rest was just a very natural part of who we are. The lifestyle for us is just an integrated system of yin and yang..Two apposing forces interconnecting.


Beautiful, simple, practical, easy, no added pressure.

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Its taken years for us to reach this level. I spent years being a dominant and he spent years playing around with submissives but there was something missing and I think both of us can agree that missing thing was reality. Without reality there is no balance.


Fantasies along idealisms can screw things up.

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So, Steve is not my dominant and I am certainly not his submissive. I don't need to be a submissive to know that 'NO' means 'NO'! or that when he demands something he demands it as 'Stephen' but never as a dominant.


Some Dom don't know/understand the meaning of "No". If they comply with "No" they are no longer Dominant and it threatens to undermine the D/s relationship, Dom Status Quo, and etc. Gotta keep the imagine, regardless of the expense. The expectations the human Egos are trying to live up to. More problems with the extra pressure, additional strain, frustration and confusion. No suprise condisering the different "True Dom-isms" and "True Submissive-isms" tossed around.

What is wrong with "Please just let me be myself" like the 3 Doors Down song.

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When I read questions on the boards like 'what should I do to please Master?' or 'How should I punish my slave?' I don't actually understand it because it seems almost too far from reality.


Time and time again, these people are directed to ask their partners, or to make their own choices. They have this notion that there's a "10 Commandents" of BDSM laid out in stone. How does anybody please anybody? How does one punish anybody? The answers exist all around us in "the real world".

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I can't comprehend it because I/We are so far away from all of that but just as I don't understand them, they wont understand that if I raised my voice in anger to Steve he would slap me down even if I was angry or when recently I threw a wobbly and started to throw clothes, pots and pans and anything I could lay my hands on out of the boat, he calmly grabbed a kicking and screaming me, tied me up, took out a knife and cut off my clothes before having his way with me. Its difficult to write about this sort of stuff because I lay myself open to people claiming I am in an abusive relationship but IM NOT! I am just in a relationship that vanilla women and probably many scene women wouldn't understand.


Thank you for sharing. :-) Clothes removal by knife. Clearly not a scene, mind fuck, nor for play.. but rather a blended dynamic. At the most clothing was distroyed and used for rags later. Stuff that was thrown overboard replaced, retieved... clearly No Real or True harm done.. (I think this was HOT, my opinion)

Oh hell, some in the BDSM community will question it as being abuse. It's violates the D/s peace treaty agreements. I understand what you mean about laying yourself open to people. When I compare myself to the BDSM community, I often question if I'm "too Vanilla" or "too Extreme" at times.

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I know Steve sometimes questions himself about what he does because he was raised that morally this is wrong and it would be morally wrong if I was against it but again IM NOT.


Well said and an excellent point.

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I know for certain that if I lost Steve as a partner then the chances of finding this lifestyle would be so remote that I would never again find a calm satisfaction within this world


Speaks volumes of the deep nature of your relationship, priceless. Again, thank you for sharing.

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RE: Knife Play - 3/21/2010 4:02:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Knife play, i was never that interested in knife play the scare of it..was enough for me, i didnt like anything to do with it. Then one day MASTER cut me, i was taken back, but took it as it was MASTER, and i have no say in the matter. i didnt like it at first, then when MASTER isnt around or i get up off my ass and feel that little twinge of pain, i get wet and it starts to remind me of MASTER now when he cuts me it doesnt hurt it feels good, it is something i look forward to having as a reminder or what i am and if MASTER enjoys the look on my face when he cuts me or the scare, shock, etc. on my face when i am not sure how deep he is going to go, this is enough for me..because a slave is there for MASTER'S enjoyment, when MASTER enjoys himself then i am a happy slave, no matter what kind of "mark" he decides to leave on HIS slave's body, it truely isnt my body anymore, as nothing i can do to it can excite me.....it needs MASTER'S touch.

i love whatever it is my MASTER chooses to do with me...people say it is a choice...but once YOU have a MASTER, nothing you do excites a slave like MASTER using me anyway HE chooses.....

This feeling has not gone away inside me, in 10 years..i just know now, that i don't have a choice..i am what i am...he will do with me as he pleases, i deserve no more or no less.

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RE: Knife Play - 3/21/2010 7:50:55 PM   
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Ahhh, knife play and cutting---something I have been given a small taste of and would like more. I didn't know what kind of knife R. had, I was blindfolded. He told me to stay perfect;y still—which turned out to be the entire point (pun intended!) of the session. I wasn't even sure he had a real knife,(he did) but I didn't move, barely breathed! I fantasize about getting cut; giving him my blood-- but have a tendency to get infections easily. As much as we would both love it, ain't gonna happen <insert sad face here>

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