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tazzygirl -> RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? (2/10/2010 12:23:00 PM)
quote: You did? Must have been in cases which you supported and not, as in this case, a specific City that the President has identified as, to quote you directly "a place of lose morals...". Painting an entire city and its economy being the result of "lose morals" requires a prejudice I'm happy to say - I can't relate to. Eighteen months ago, Candido and Hoff penned a tagline for the city of Las Vegas' new, risqu´e tourist campaign, ''What Happens Here Stays Here.'' To Hoff, 26 years old, Crystal's appropriation of it was ''surreal because it was so random,'' and proof positive that the campaign had coursed its way into the popular lexicon in a way few ad slogans ever do. Belch said it's especially unusual that the campaign is so successful because it markets a destination rather than a product or a service. But Las Vegas spends $60 million a year to have R&R Partners create and place the ads, a sum many times greater than the promotional budgets of other cities and even most states. With all that money, R&R set Hoff, Candido, and several other writers to the task of ?nding a new city slogan in summer 2002. Vegas was on the brink of plunging back into its image as an adult playground after a failed effort at rebranding itself as a family destination. Hoff and Candido say they compared their notes one day and noticed they both had a variation on ''What happens here stays here'' scribbled on their pads. The playful television campaign R&R developed tell ambiguous vignettes that suggest some sort of illicit activity but that leave it to the viewer to decide what happened. One shows a middle-age woman writing a postcard in Chinese, then blotting out a line she didn't want folks at home to read. ''We knew we couldn't show a lot of what people do in Las Vegas on prime-time TV, so the slogan lets them guess,'' Candido said. Not everyone is enamored of the slogan. Former Las Vegas mayor Jan Jones, now an executive of Harrah's Entertainment Inc., voiced fear that it would characterize the city ''as a place where people come to cheat and steal,'' although she now says her concerns have been allayed after Vassiliadis promised less racy spots. http://www.stevefriess.com/archive/bostonglobe/Vegasslogan.htm Seems Vegas did that all on their own. If they dont like the reputation they have now, they have no one to blame but themselves.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? (2/10/2010 12:37:26 PM)
quote: Seems Vegas did that all on their own. If they dont like the reputation they have now, they have no one to blame but themselves. So your "give a damn" has a locality requirement - understood. It seems you share that with Obama. I respect that disclosure as I do his. Since you believe that advertising campaigns reflect reality, pointing to them as the reasoning behind your position that they "earned" their situation and the President's comments and have based your "don't give a damn" position about an entire cities and their population upon them - do you also believe that Clydesdales play football in the snow when not pulling Budweiser delivery trucks? You really think you "Have a Friend in Pennsylvania"? Think "NJ and YOU are 'perfect' together"? Think that Alaska is "Beyond Your Dreams Within Your Reach"? Think Iowa is "Life Changing"? Think Maine is "The Way Life Should Be"? If you go to Iowa and it isn't "Life Changing" will you not "give a damn" about them too?

tazzygirl -> RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? (2/10/2010 12:49:59 PM)
LOL... you can assume as you wish... you are quite good at assumptions, btw. quote: Since you believe that advertising campaigns reflect reality, pointing to them as the reasoning behind your position that they "earned" their situation and the President's comments and have based your "don't give a damn" position about an entire cities and their population upon them - do you also believe that Clydesdales play football in the snow when not pulling Budweiser delivery trucks? Again, you twist things to suit your purpose. Vegas paid handsomely for those ads, agreed to them, encouraged them, and now they whine because people associate illicit activities with their city. You get what you paid for. Dont whine now. quote: You really think you "Have a Friend in Pennsylvania"? Yup, i got a few here. quote: Think "NJ and YOU are 'perfect' together"? Grew up in NJ, rather enjoyed it. quote: Think that Alaska is "Beyond Your Dreams Within Your Reach"? I think if i decided to move to Alaska its a distint possibility. quote: Think Iowa is "Life Changing"? No clue, never been. quote: Think Maine is "The Way Life Should Be"? Again, never been there, would be interested in discovering. And not a one of these cities have ever promoted themselves as being a city where things happen, and no one needs to know back home. The illicit remark states it all. The concern of a former Mayor makes even more sense. The promise by the advertising agency "although she now says her concerns have been allayed after Vassiliadis promised less racy spots" is even more telling. Each City that advertises has their own little saying. Vegas made their decision. Again, dont whine about something of your own making.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? (2/10/2010 1:02:02 PM)
Well, your personal account of reactions to other location slogans was very entertaining; irrelevant but entertaining - thanks. You substatiate your position regarding Vegas upon them - discount them in other cases. Who knows - someday a friend you have in NJ may do something and you can not "give a damn" about their economy too. But you've been to Vegas and it was truth in advertising, a place of questionable morals and representative of the negative stereotype applied to it by the President. Damn - it must be difficult to keep these rationalizations straight! quote: LOL... you can assume as you wish... you are quite good at assumptions, btw thank you - although I didn't "assume" I quoted you and used your reference and reasoning you gave for coming to your don't give a damn" position concerning Vegas. It was your justification for condemning Vegas and proposed as the reason the President should be using it as a reference. It's understandable that you want to back away from that now - but it's all you, no assumption was made. quote: Again, dont whine about something of your own making. Neither Vegas nor I are whining about an add campaign reactions. Try to focus - the Mayor of the City, the Senators and Representatives in Congress, and me; are crediting Obama's callous comments for making a bad condition worse. However YOU can whine about an issue of Obama's own making?

tazzygirl -> RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? (2/10/2010 1:08:09 PM)
I dont condemn anyone for anything. Vegas made a "gamble". Its biting them in the butt. Instead of whining, they should be brainstorming ways to turn their situation around, as has every other resort destination in america, and beyond. Whining about what so and so said about so and so is like school yard antics. Vegas is hardly a playground for children. Adults went and played when they could afford too. Now they cant afford, so they dont go play. Guess what... they are ADULTS. Its their right to make that decision, regardless of what anyone says about Vegas. Your assumptions that the american population is so easily swayed by what one person says is rather insulting. Then again, thats what you do best, insult those you believe are beneath you. Vegas wanted to be known as the place where illicit things can happen, and no one knows. They paid for that reputation, they own it... now they can live with it. IF i was there, and could not make a living, i would move. THATS what responsible adults do... not whine about how hard it is and wait for an appology to see if things get better. I expected more from you, to be honest. True to form, you disappoint me yet again.

tazzygirl -> RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? (2/10/2010 1:11:13 PM)
quote: Neither Vegas nor I are whining about an add campaign reactions. Try to focus - the Mayor of the City, the Senators and Representatives in Congress, and me; are crediting Obama's callous comments for making a bad condition worse. Its been shown on this thread when Vegas went into decline... before the first time Obama made any comment about them. Show me the monetary decline associated with either comment. I do mean a direct connection. Not years after... not even months after... a direct connection.. and not someone's say so... i do mean numbers. You and your friends visit hold no sway on this argument. Show the money trail or shut up and go take another toke.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? (2/10/2010 1:28:18 PM)
quote: Your assumptions that the american population is so easily swayed by what one person says is rather insulting. I made no assumptions. There were factual representations of decisions being made, not only by individuals but by companies changing there plans for business meetings and conventions. Instead of trying to build straw-men - reading them may have been enlightening. "Insulting" or not - it happened. Not even Obama denies that - and he did apologize a year ago. This time he just "clarified". Why would he need to do so - if his words had no impact? However since they are diametrically opposed to your stance - I understand you need not to read them. quote: Its been shown on this thread when Vegas went into decline...not someone's say so. Why - when your representation is only based on someone's "say so"? There was opinion and no prove of any "decline". The building of new hotels and casinos would point to just the opposite. You've made no factual representation to refute. I'll stand behind what you couldn't refute - the position of the Mayor of the city as well as the Senate Majority Leader - a Democrat at that - pointing that Obama's representation was wrong and hurt the economy of Vegas last year - and this year. quote: Show the money trail or shut up and go take another toke. Oh I forgot - you support the medical community cartel for medication and don't believe in anyone going outside of it to medicate themselves. You need to have undying alliance to the medical community. Something like medicinal marijuana use - where you and your industry don't benefit - fall into the "don't give a damn" sector of your sentiments. What a callous, self centered, personal oriented, bitch you disclose yourself to be! To reduce your argument to this level of insult tazzy proves how desperate you are personally to backtrack from some of the statements you've made, as well as the weakness of your argument. quote: I expected more from you, to be honest. True to form, you disappoint me yet again I expect and appreciate you can't offer any more. You have yet to disappoint; but as in this case you have exceeded, my low expectation.

Lucylastic -> RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? (2/10/2010 1:28:42 PM)
After reading this thru a few times just to get all your little nuances and manipulations, I have just two words to say to the original question posed. Hell Yes

Mercnbeth -> RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? (2/10/2010 1:32:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic After reading this thru a few times just to get all your little nuances and manipulations, I have just two words to say to the original question posed. Hell Yes Thanks for that direct and succinct response Lucy! After 14 pages - it may be best to restate it: *"Is the President incapable of appreciating the power of his words or the image conveyed by him, his Administration, and the leaders of failing corporate entity trading as the USA?"*

Lucylastic -> RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? (2/10/2010 1:39:09 PM)
Not even a good try Merc, but Im going by the thread question line as that was literally the first question ... Q. Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? A. Hell yes You can try to rewire all it, but I just restated it. no more no less.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? (2/10/2010 1:47:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Not even a good try Merc, but Im going by the thread question line as that was literally the first question ... Q. Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? A. Hell yes You can try to rewire all it, but I just restated it. no more no less. It wasn't a "try" it was the question. However whether your "Hell Yes" was in response to the title or the question at the end of the first post that I quoted - I'd agree with your response; and still be grateful for getting your direct reply.

tazzygirl -> RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? (2/10/2010 1:48:54 PM)
The Nevada Gaming Control Board recently released its report on gambling “win” for November of 2008. The final numbers, which are released two months after the time period in question, show a state-wide decrease in gambling revenue of 14.80% year over year, marking the 11th straight month of declining revenues. The last time gaming win increased year over year was in December of 2007. Nevada gaming revenues amounted to $836 million in November of 2008, dropping nearly 15% from the mark of $982 million during the same period in 2007. The hardest hit area of the state was North Lake Tahoe, which saw revenues plummet by 26.94% year over year to $1.99 million. During the fiscal year to date (July 1st through November 30th), North Lake Tahoe revenues are off 13.56%. Also hit hard was Laughlin, whose gambling revenues fell from $51 million in November of 2007 to $41 million in 2008, a plunge of 18.13%. In the current fiscal year, Laughlin’s “win” is down 11.58%. The Las Vegas Strip was hit hard by snow in December and, one month earlier, its revenues sank by 16.02% year over year. Casinos including the Bellagio, Wynn, and Caesars Palace raked in a total of $437 million in November of 2008 in comparison to $521 during November of 2007. Fiscal year to date, the Strip’s revenue has fallen from $2.8 billion to $2.4 billion (-14.21%). Meanwhile, revenues in Downtown Las Vegas, which includes establishments such as the Golden Nugget and Binion’s, experienced a modest 1.58% revenue decline year over year. Similarly, North Las Vegas saw its “win” drop by just 1.83%. Revenue on the Boulder Strip, which includes casinos such as Sam’s Town and Boulder Station, fell by 16.35% to $54 million during November of 2008. Revenues in Mesquite sank by 8.78% and in Reno, which lies in Washoe County, revenues declined by 14.26%. During the fiscal year to date, statewide gambling revenue is down 12.93% to $4.7 billion. Based on revenues earned by casinos, the State of Nevada collects a fee, which is then used to fund various programs. As expected, fees dropped by a sizable amount: 27.05% year over year. The State collects November’s fees in December. Statewide fee collections have dropped by over 20% during the last two reported months. Nevada most recently reported an increase in fee collections during the month of July, when income from June was taxed. In October, statewide gambling revenues sank 22.33% year over year. The Las Vegas Strip was once again one of the hardest hit, with “win” dropping 25.77%. North Las Vegas, whose revenues held relatively constant in November, saw its revenue nosedive by over one-third in October of 2008. Statewide decreases in revenue year over year have been as follows during 2008: December: Will be Released in February November: -14.80% October: -22.33% September: -5.44% August: -8.10% July: -12.97% June: -1.11% May: -15.17% April: -5.05% March: -1.52% February: -3.93% January: -4.95% A recent article by San Antonio News Express columnist Chuck Blount sums up the current economic downturn’s effect on Sin City. He wrote, “A quick search on Expedia.com shows just how desperate things have gotten, as room rates are currently discounted by 50 percent or more across the board. This is to the consumer's benefit.” Rooms in Downtown Las Vegas had been discounted to as low as $10 per night. http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/nevada-gaming-revenues-decline-for-11th-straight-month-922/ According to figures released by the Nevada Gaming Control Board, statewide casino revenue, or “win,” fell 9.32% in August of 2009 compared to August of 2008. The total gaming win reported was $847.0 million, representing the 20th straight month of decline. Read the Board's August revenue report. Last year, Nevada casino licensees hauled in a gaming win of $934.1 million. In Clark County, which includes the famed Las Vegas Strip, Downtown Las Vegas, Laughlin, Boulder, and Mesquite, gaming win in August was $708.1 million, down 6.73% year over year. On the Strip, which includes a bevy of poker-friendly gaming establishments like the Bellagio and Venetian, revenues were $449.5 million in August, off 9.00% from the same period in 2008. In Downtown Las Vegas, which includes the Golden Nugget, home of GSN’s “High Stakes Poker” and NBC’s “Face the Ace,” revenues were $41.9 million. That total represented a decline of 3.87% year over year. The news wasn’t so grim in North Las Vegas or the Boulder Strip, where revenues were up in August of 2009 in comparison to August of 2008. In the former, gaming win came in at $22.1 million, up 21.93% year over year. In Boulder, a similar increase occurred, as revenues of $63.4 million represented a 21.53% rise over the $52.2 million posted last August. North Las Vegas and the Boulder Strip were the only two locales to post revenue gains year over year. In Laughlin, revenues sank 13.85% in August to $38.1 million, while Mesquite saw its gaming win tumble 21.59% to $8.5 million http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/nevada-gaming-revenues-fall-for-20th-straight-month-5523/ But, my, didnt Obama make his first comment in Feb of 2009? Man, he really hurt revenue didnt he, considering it was up since august of 2008. That really had to hurt. Ouch! In reality, the slump started in December of 2007. So, who do you blame that one on?

Mercnbeth -> RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? (2/10/2010 1:56:31 PM)
quote: But, my, didnt Obama make his first comment in Feb of 2009? Man, he really hurt revenue didnt he, considering it was up since august of 2008. That really had to hurt. Ouch! In reality, the slump started in December of 2007. So, who do you blame that one on? You substantiate things that are against your own argument - gambling revenues are NOT indicative of tourist dollars spent. The closing of the Sahara hotel towers, the closing of entire resorts; are where the people work who suffer from the Obama comments. You refute the reality of the Mayor and those who are out of work. Vegas has one of the highest unemployment percentages of any city. But you want to focus on gambling? How does that match up with your "concern" for the people who live in the city? quote: In reality, the slump started in December of 2007. So, who do you blame that one on? It's you seeking to assign blame. I seek accountability from the President and belief his words affect results. At minimum he contributed to the continued decline in tourist activity. Feel free to make a counterpoint to that position, which is and has been, the only one I make.

mnottertail -> RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? (2/10/2010 2:02:21 PM)
well what else does vegas do but gambling, lotta tours to the elvis shotgun wedding chapels? so, when bush said mission accomplished, it affected what? when carter said we need to get off foreign oil it affected what? when bush one said read my lips it changed what? I'm saying you are attributing way more power to this shit than is reality, Merc. Just my opinion, and this wont be our first fight, will it, darling? LOL. Ron

tazzygirl -> RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? (2/10/2010 2:02:43 PM)
You were the one who pointed out the casinos were dead... losing money.. not me. I asked for facts. You gave none other than your "personal experience" which could be true or not. Have you even looked at whats happening in other parts of the country? I sincerely doubt it. You seem to be fixated not on the people of Vegas, who you couldnt give a rats ass for as long as they are there to entertain you when you decide to visit, but, instead, on what Obama said and did this time. The numbers do not support your claim that he is the cause of the bad economy there, or that he is making it worse. Nor do you have any proof.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? (2/10/2010 2:09:35 PM)
quote: You were the one who pointed out the casinos were dead... losing money.. not me. I was representing, as I said in the post, first hand experience during my visit from 1/17-2/1/10. I specified that was what I reported. I didn't extrapolate it or put it as a condition to reason for Obama making his comments. quote: Have you even looked at whats happening in other parts of the country? I sincerely doubt it. I conduct business nationally. I assure you that I am aware of much more than you are on a business level. However what does that matter - only Vegas was specified by the President. They, along with everywhere else, need support - not condemnation from their President. Once again - my only point for this discussion. quote: what Obama said and did this time. What Obama said is recorded. Your belief is that it has a no effect. Well - the people living there as well as the people elected to public office from there, believe differently. Obama backtracked and said he didn't mean to point negative attention to Vegas. He must have done so - or else he's a sociopath who apologizes and clarifies when inappropriate. Is that your position?

tazzygirl -> RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? (2/10/2010 2:15:43 PM)
My position is this you have some hidden agenda, well, you believe its hidden, but most of us see it clearly. You refuse to admit the economy was hitting hard times long before Obama even took office. He was not wrong in what he said. Comapnies utilizing bail out money should have been teleconferencing, not making jaunts to anywhere. No one should be going to Vegas when they have rent to pay or college to save for. You took exception, that is your right. But dont deny facts in evidence... Vegas was hitting hard times before he took office.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? (2/10/2010 2:28:27 PM)
quote: you have some hidden agenda, well, you believe its hidden, but most of us see it clearly. You refuse to admit the economy was hitting hard times long before Obama even took office. Wrong - I have said the economy tanked in 2007. The Bush I Stimulus program was the first mistake. Obama following it up with Bush II insured it will go on for years and the repayment of debt is now expected to be passed on to the next TWO generations. quote: You took exception, that is your right. But dont deny facts in evidence... Vegas was hitting hard times before he took office. I don't take "exception" because I don't disagree, or agree, with any of your referenced statistics. Once again - you set up a false premise. The "evidence" is Obama pointing to Vegas as a negative destination. That it, along with the rest of the country was hurting, is irrelevant. Obama didn't help - he went out of his way twice to mention them - at minimum it didn't help in their recovery. I take Obama to task and find him complicit in the further deterioration of Vegas tourist trade by his comment. I never said he caused the deterioration, or the poor economy in Vegas or anywhere in the USA. I never represented him as the only reason for Vegas to be struggling. I will credit him for, at minimum, making businesses think twice about a convention in Vegas even if they are successful and want to have one. Had he not brought it up - they may have thought the negative attention he provided last year died down. Obama renewed the negativity - he didn't cause it. I never said he did.

philosophy -> RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? (2/10/2010 2:38:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth I take Obama to task and find him complicit in the further deterioration of Vegas tourist trade by his comment. ....then you'll be able to clearly demonstrate a further dip in the Vegas tourist trade, linked to the comment. Facts and figures please, no anecdotal evidence. If you are unable to do so, then your thesis is clearly wrong.

tazzygirl -> RE: Is Obama really as smart as he's reputed to be? (2/10/2010 2:41:21 PM)
Hell, in times of economic problems, i view Vegas, Atlantic City, Laughlin... any of them as an excess, and a potential to have a harming effect on the public. ~grins Now tell me im not entitled to my opinion. My opinion is just that.. as it is the Presidents. I dont see anything wrong with what he said... in fact... i find alot of wisdom in those words... just what i WOULD expect from the sitting President during these times.

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