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Proof Of God To An Atheist - 2/5/2010 10:58:53 AM   
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Good to know I’m a stupid fool. lol

God has stated that He has revealed Himself through His creation so that no man has an excuse.

The above sentence, in what way does he mean? Because the universe exists that means ‘somebody’ made it so that proves there is God. Wow, it was that simple, stupid me.

Proof Of God To An Atheist

I was reading an atheist blog post. On this particular blog, something the blogger said stood out. The blogger was arguing that atheism is not a religion and does not require faith to disbelieve. What caught my attention was the statement that the burden of proof rests on the shoulders of those that believe in God to prove there is a God. I thought about that statement. It is not true.

http://fruitoftheword.com/2010/02/04/proof-of-god-to-an-atheist/
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RE: Proof Of God To An Atheist - 2/5/2010 11:08:14 AM   
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An argument about the existence of God.

This should be resolved rather quickly.

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RE: Proof Of God To An Atheist - 2/5/2010 11:10:00 AM   
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Oh good.

An argument about the existence of God.

This should be resolved rather quickly.


*giggles*  Very quickly indeed!  :)

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RE: Proof Of God To An Atheist - 2/5/2010 11:11:32 AM   
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RE: Proof Of God To An Atheist - 2/5/2010 11:13:02 AM   
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RE: Proof Of God To An Atheist - 2/5/2010 11:14:35 AM   
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RE: Proof Of God To An Atheist - 2/5/2010 11:14:51 AM   
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I know what I believe, which changes as I get older and had a chance to observe the world around me. I do not know nor care what other people believe when it comes to the sacred, unless of course I am doing research on it... then I care to understand what they believe, but still have no desire to change it.

People who argue about the existence or non-existence of a supreme being really need their melon heads pinched






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RE: Proof Of God To An Atheist - 2/5/2010 11:16:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brain

The stupid man cannot know;
the fool cannot understand this:

Good to know I’m a stupid fool. lol

God has stated that He has revealed Himself through His creation so that no man has an excuse.

The above sentence, in what way does he mean? Because the universe exists that means ‘somebody’ made it so that proves there is God. Wow, it was that simple, stupid me.

Proof Of God To An Atheist

I was reading an atheist blog post. On this particular blog, something the blogger said stood out. The blogger was arguing that atheism is not a religion and does not require faith to disbelieve. What caught my attention was the statement that the burden of proof rests on the shoulders of those that believe in God to prove there is a God. I thought about that statement. It is not true.

http://fruitoftheword.com/2010/02/04/proof-of-god-to-an-atheist/



It's "who", not "that".  It's "the shoulders of those (assuming human beings) WHO believe..."

Wow.  I feel so much better!

I'm not sure who God spoke to and why I never got the memo where God stated where and how He relealed Himself.  Care to quote the source for that?

I don't care at all about what anyone believes as long as they can conduct themselves with compassion, integrity, and treat their fellow humans they way they would like to be treated.  I also don't need to prove anything to anyone about my personal spirituality.  I don't expect anyone else to be me.



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RE: Proof Of God To An Atheist - 2/5/2010 11:18:59 AM   
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Ok, I've been on vacation lately and yeah I admit I ducked out of that whole priests abusing kids thing.
 
And that bitch Mother Nature has been on permanent PMS lately.
 
A man, oops god, can only do so much yanno?
 
I can't be everywhere!
 
Oh, wait...

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RE: Proof Of God To An Atheist - 2/5/2010 11:20:49 AM   
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I don't care at all about what anyone believes as long as they can conduct themselves with compassion, integrity, and treat their fellow humans they way they would like to be treated.  I also don't need to prove anything to anyone about my personal spirituality.  I don't expect anyone else to be me.


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RE: Proof Of God To An Atheist - 2/5/2010 12:01:12 PM   
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and even if it didn't, I would still watch.

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RE: Proof Of God To An Atheist - 2/5/2010 2:44:53 PM   
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What caught my attention was the statement that the burden of proof rests on the shoulders of those that believe in God to prove there is a God. I thought about that statement. It is not true.



I'd say two things:

Firstly - no issue with anyone who believes in god - their call.

Secondly - it's a different matter when someone is putting themselves upfront and ranting about the existence of a god - then the burden of proof falls on the opinionated.

There is a difference between the two.

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RE: Proof Of God To An Atheist - 2/5/2010 2:48:46 PM   
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So if Lucy and Eyes started making out, that would be proof that there is a God in Heaven.


and even if it didn't, I would still watch.

you are a perverted man
I knew I liked you


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RE: Proof Of God To An Atheist - 2/5/2010 2:53:58 PM   
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The blogger was arguing that atheism is not a religion and does not require faith to disbelieve. What caught my attention was the statement that the burden of proof rests on the shoulders of those that believe in God to prove there is a God. I thought about that statement. It is not true.




If its a debate about the existence of God, of course the burden of proof rests on the person making the affirmative claim. That is standard debating rules. If you mean that a believer doesnt need to prove anything because he ...just believes...thats obviously true. No amount of debate will change that. Atheism doesnt require faith, that is a tactic of the proselytizers to attempt to support their own positions by denigrating the thought process that most atheists go through to reach their position.

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RE: Proof Of God To An Atheist - 2/5/2010 3:37:53 PM   
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What caught my attention was the statement that the burden of proof rests on the shoulders of those that believe in God to prove there is a God. I thought about that statement. It is not true.



I'd say two things:

Firstly - no issue with anyone who believes in god - their call.

Secondly - it's a different matter when someone is putting themselves upfront and ranting about the existence of a god - then the burden of proof falls on the opinionated.

There is a difference between the two.

Proof denies faith though, so the fact that it's impossible to provide any concrete (or even circumstantial) evidence that God's about just encourages you to have more faith in His existence.

Brain is right, however, that the statement in his OP is untrue. For the reason given above, devout Christians (and Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, $cientologists, Mormons, Satanists, Wiccans...) refuse to offer any proof of their beliefs, as they accept these on blind faith, and anybody who refuses to do the same is damned and not worth bothering with.

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RE: Proof Of God To An Atheist - 2/5/2010 4:07:10 PM   
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What caught my attention was the statement that the burden of proof rests on the shoulders of those that believe in God to prove there is a God. I thought about that statement. It is not true.



I'd say two things:

Firstly - no issue with anyone who believes in god - their call.

Secondly - it's a different matter when someone is putting themselves upfront and ranting about the existence of a god - then the burden of proof falls on the opinionated.

There is a difference between the two.


Does the second also hold true for those who constantly rant that there is no god?


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RE: Proof Of God To An Atheist - 2/5/2010 4:07:42 PM   
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Brain is right, however, that the statement in his OP is untrue. For the reason given above, devout Christians (and Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, $cientologists, Mormons, Satanists, Wiccans...) refuse to offer any proof of their beliefs, as they accept these on blind faith, and anybody who refuses to do the same is damned and not worth bothering with.



I don't think so. I have close relatives - including a Mother - who are what you could call devout - and they couldn't care less about the next persosn beliefs. And I suppose I would much rather take a person who goes about his/her beliefs quietly - whatever they may be - than someone who is militant in his/her beliefs - whatever they may be.

Religion happens to be a very human construct - can be very positive. I mean our whole political system is based upon religious ideas - John Locke was a puritan.

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RE: Proof Of God To An Atheist - 2/5/2010 4:10:07 PM   
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RE: Proof Of God To An Atheist - 2/5/2010 4:34:06 PM   
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Brain is right, however, that the statement in his OP is untrue. For the reason given above, devout Christians (and Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, $cientologists, Mormons, Satanists, Wiccans...) refuse to offer any proof of their beliefs, as they accept these on blind faith, and anybody who refuses to do the same is damned and not worth bothering with.



I don't think so. I have close relatives - including a Mother - who are what you could call devout - and they couldn't care less about the next persosn beliefs. And I suppose I would much rather take a person who goes about his/her beliefs quietly - whatever they may be - than someone who is militant in his/her beliefs - whatever they may be.

Religion happens to be a very human construct - can be very positive. I mean our whole political system is based upon religious ideas - John Locke was a puritan.


That isn't what I was really getting at: the point is that God's existence has to be accepted on blind faith, and any evidence either way would be completely irrelevant. That's part of what religion is all about: accepting things that can't be proven.

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RE: Proof Of God To An Atheist - 2/5/2010 4:50:22 PM   
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I think the universe was created by itself; no divine being managing the situation. I’m trying to be logical so this makes sense to me.

I don’t want to convert anyone to anything and I guess I’m damned like you said. It has been interesting reading people’s opinions about this website.

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