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RE: S&M - 2/5/2010 9:06:17 PM   
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I have. It was actually a friend-of-a-friend who got me interested in psychology and sociopaths in particular, as she was actually a sociopath herself. I considered doing a psychology course, but realised I'd probably hate it if I had to actually study it for three years. I have to admit to being more of an armchair psychologist, really.



Stop being an "armchair psychologist." You aren't very good at it. You also are misinformed about what a sociopath is.

Where did you get the idea that a sociopath can not control their "urges?" As the others have stated, if you are going to make statements with assumptions regarding behavior with psychology as support of your statement, learn something about psychology. As it stands, all you have done is show that you don't know anything about it.

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RE: S&M - 2/5/2010 9:06:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Errr, it's my understanding that a sociopath has no sense of guilt or remorse. They are incapable of feeling empathic attachment to others.

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RE: S&M - 2/5/2010 9:08:09 PM   
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Think you missed my point... let me try this again.


  • I kicked my Boss in the balls because he humilated me in front of everybody. (spoken with anger)
  • I kicked my Boss in the balls because it felt good, and that's just the way I am (spoken with indifference).


  • I stapled Whiplashes’ boss to a cross by his skin. Then I cut a slit in his ball sack, blew it up with air and sewed it shut before his gay lover blew him. His screams and the conflict of his own consent to such torture made my cock so hard I rammed my slave from behind while watching the bleeding boy on the cross get blown. (spoken with sexual pleasure)


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    RE: S&M - 2/5/2010 9:12:06 PM   
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    Errr, it's my understanding that a sociopath has no sense of guilt or remorse. They are incapable of feeling empathic attachment to others.


    and that would take ALL the fun out of sadism if we lost our empathy wouldn't it?

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    RE: S&M - 2/5/2010 9:15:42 PM   
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    Think you missed my point... let me try this again.


    • I kicked my Boss in the balls because he humilated me in front of everybody. (spoken with anger)
    • I kicked my Boss in the balls because it felt good, and that's just the way I am (spoken with indifference).


  • I stapled Whiplashes’ boss to a cross by his skin. Then I cut a slit in his ball sack, blew it up with air and sewed it shut before his gay lover blew him. His screams and the conflict of his own consent to such torture made my cock so hard I rammed my slave from behind while watching the bleeding boy on the cross get blown. (spoken with sexual pleasure)



    • People don't know how lucky they are, because if you were a Sociopath...

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    RE: S&M - 2/5/2010 9:16:53 PM   
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    Errr, it's my understanding that a sociopath has no sense of guilt or remorse. They are incapable of feeling empathic attachment to others.


    and that would take ALL the fun out of sadism if we lost our empathy wouldn't it?


    For me, sure. Shrugs. But I'm not a sociopath.

    I've been in situations where I had to deal with real sociopaths-they look like people, act like people, but they aren't like the rest of us.
    Their telescopes only point in.



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    RE: S&M - 2/5/2010 9:21:05 PM   
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    RE: S&M - 2/5/2010 9:22:53 PM   
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    Check out this past thread it might be of use to you...
    Question for Sadist

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    RE: S&M - 2/5/2010 9:27:42 PM   
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    Too right. Good god don't give credence to this theory. You are thoughtful people in terms of wiitwid and a sociopath would never...


    I'm gonna give it only one slice from the whole bread loaf. He needs to work harder for the rest of it.

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    RE: S&M - 2/5/2010 9:28:19 PM   
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    Whiplash, what you have provided has nothing to do with being a sociopath. Start a different thread maybe, but sadism and sociopathy are not synonyms.

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    RE: S&M - 2/5/2010 9:43:13 PM   
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    Whiplash, what you have provided has nothing to do with being a sociopath. Start a different thread maybe, but sadism and sociopathy are not synonyms.

    I think he was going for an indifference example but I confess the anger part confused me too.


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    RE: S&M - 2/5/2010 9:47:56 PM   
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    ~FR

    Whiplash, what you have provided has nothing to do with being a sociopath. Start a different thread maybe, but sadism and sociopathy are not synonyms.


    That is my point...that they are not Synonyms.

    However, just as much; as how a sociopath has no sense of guilt/remorse, feeling empathic.. sadism is also one of the Characteristics of a Sociopath (hence the connection). I'm am on topic with regards to the opening post, I'm on topic with regards to the connection of Sadism and Sociopathic Behaviors. As a Matter of fact, it's also known that some (not all) Sociopaths have blended into the S&M/BDSM commmunities at times. A community that by and large is not Sociopathic. However, the aspects of Sadism apply to S&M play and to the characteristic of sociopathic behaviors. Sadism being either mental or physical in nature. If Sadism was not involved then nobody would be getting fucked up or harmed by sociopaths. I sincerely, Disagree with you. I feel I am on topic, even more so considering the nature of the opening post.

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    RE: S&M - 2/5/2010 9:50:39 PM   
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    First of all, thank you for starting this subject. I've started many a thread trying to understand the underlying processes of sadomasochism myself and I appreciate your curiousity.

    That said, I can understand the negative reaction to your post. It started off with some very strong statements that are considered to be archaic in nature and not generally espoused by the members here and that's gonna get you forum spanked sweetie ;-)

    Sadomasochism has been classified as a paraphilia and seen by many as a sociopathic behaviour, but most of us would really appreciate that people with in the community of WIITWD would leave those judgemental terms out. In fact, modern day psychiatry, there is a move towards regarding sadomasochism not as a disorders in and of itself. It is only a disorder when it is associated with other problems such as a personality disorder. Just like being a wine aficionado is not a disorder but a passion whereas alcoholism is a disorder.

    Now I identify as a sadist, a sensual sadist who only explores her sadistic nature within the realms of a consensual relationship. There's really nothing sociopathic about that.

    As for having a desire to poke a co-worker's eye out or kill a boss, nope. Sorry to dissapoint but I don't have those desires. When someone annoys me, I have the desire that they go away, simply. I don't actually fantasize about being the one that makes them dissapear. In fact, I'm not a very vengeful person.

    As for when I express my sadism within the realm of a consensual relationship, there is nothing in it that is remotely close to vengeance or desire to hurt out of frustration. I do it out of lust. Pure, unbridled, delightful, passionate lust.

    Now I realise that my motivations to be a sadist and others motivations are not the same. I agree with Whiplashsmile4 who writes that while some sadists are sociopaths yet not all all sadists are sociopaths (false). I would even go as far as to say that there must be some grey areas and that some of the sadists that engage in WIITWD might have some sociopathic tendencies. I know one who openly admitted it to me. That said, we can't paint everyone involved in WIITWD with the same brush. Each has their own motivations and personality make-up.

    Hope that helps to clarify certain things ;-)

    - LA

    P.S.: You might find a thread I started last November entitle Torturing the Willing (or the sado/maso contradiction)

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    RE: S&M - 2/5/2010 9:53:13 PM   
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    If Sadism was not involved then nobody would be getting fucked up or harmed by sociopaths.


    Say what?
    There are lots and lots of triggers for whack-jobs.
    Sadism may be part of it, it could also be the eyeliner a woman wears, or the way she walks, or it could have to do with the tides and the moon.
    Seriously, it is an exercise in mental masturbation attempting to find logical motives for people whose minds work illogically

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    RE: S&M - 2/5/2010 9:55:38 PM   
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    Status: offline     		I'm sorry, I didn't mean to suggest that you weren't on topic. I've read you for years and I know you know what you're talking about.

    What I'm saying is that while there may be sociopaths who are sadists, there is no natural correlation, nor should any be made between being a sadist and being a sociopath. I don't believe that a sadist can even enjoy what they do without at least on the surface level (no pun intended) understanding what is happening to the recipient.

    Sociopaths can't even think on that level. Their boundaries exist only for themselves. They can't conceive of what someone else might or should be feeling. How could that be cool for a sadist?

    A sociopath may be a sadist but sadists are not by any generalization sociopaths.

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    RE: S&M - 2/5/2010 9:56:47 PM   
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    Whiplash, what you have provided has nothing to do with being a sociopath. Start a different thread maybe, but sadism and sociopathy are not synonyms.

    I think he was going for an indifference example but I confess the anger part confused me too.




    It was my second attempt at trying to get the points across in this post..

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    ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4
    Dude, think about this statement...

    People who cannot contain their urges to harm (or kill) people repeatedly for no apparent reason.

    Now think about these words you wrote...

    How many of you have fantasised about killing your boss after a particularly annoying day at work? Or ramming a fork into your co-worker's eye because they keep stealing your stapler?

    Do you see the issues/problems within your own opening post?


    He had responsed to it and seemed to miss the point I was making.. so I wrote this..

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    ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4

    Think you missed my point... let me try this again.


    • I kicked my Boss in the balls because he humilated me in front of everybody. (spoken with anger)
    • I kicked my Boss in the balls because it felt good, and that's just the way I am (spoken with indifference).




    The difference between having or not having a Reason!!! DAMN it, there a big fucking difference if you end up shooting your Neighbor for Banding your Wife.. compared to simply Shooting your Neighbor for no reason at all (for the HELL of It).




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    RE: S&M - 2/5/2010 10:03:05 PM   
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    . . . I would even go as far as to say that there must be some grey areas and that some of the sadists that engage in WIITWD might have some sociopathic tendencies.

    There are masochists, vanillas and bass fishermen with sociopathic tendencies but, I dare say there is NO special gray area between sadism and sociopathic disorders.

    Sadism is defined by what you do and what it does for you. As Kana pointed out so clearly, empathy is a clear and defining line. There is absolutely no room for a gray area.

    Everyone has their own blend of crazy… a dash of this, of hint of that . . . and mild sociopathic tendencies can be one of those personally traits but it is totally independent of sadism, even if present in a sadist.

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    RE: S&M - 2/5/2010 10:04:09 PM   
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    A sociopath may be a sadist but sadists are not by any generalization sociopaths.


    :-)

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    RE: S&M - 2/5/2010 10:05:13 PM   
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    RE: S&M - 2/5/2010 10:06:56 PM   
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