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ORIGINAL: lally2

erm, no, i dont think you can say that [:)] - not unless theyre all pretending to be empathetic males.

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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ORIGINAL: Fitznicely

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
...makes the OP look bad, smug and not trustworthy.

Disciplinary paddling line starts here -----|

Who? Me or the OP?

.......she said hopefully [:D]

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Every single woman I wrote to responded, and told me that my email and profile were "refreshing."

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

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ORIGINAL: MsLadySue

Wow - that was just a tad harsh!

Agreed. Frazzle, sweetie this isn't like you. I also agree with Fitz (who has been missing lately [>:]) some of the messages should be posted so the not-so-articulate Doms can see how to write a decent message.

Come now, do you really think that would be authentic to have a woman who posted as a man posting fake lovely messages, then post these messages so other real men could fake decent messages?

Does anyone else think this counterproductive, futile and wrong? I would not want to meet a man who needed a course or demonstration of how to write decent messages.

I want one who already knows how to communicate effectively and who is himself, not a copy of herself.

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

Hey..if the paddle fits....[;)]

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ORIGINAL: Fitznicely

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ORIGINAL: lally2

erm, no, i dont think you can say that [:)] - not unless theyre all pretending to be empathetic males.

Well I can only honestly speak for myself and I'm not. The rest? They might be for all we know.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact


It would be My opinion that you honestly owe some folks an apology.

I completely respect where you're coming from, but the people who deserved the apology (the women in the experiment) got one. I don't think I need to apologize to anyone else. In the scheme of things that happen on this message board, this is the thing that you choose to ask an apology for? Do you think the men writing hundreds and hundreds of offensive, careless form letters owe an apology to all the women they email? I've been non-consensually insulted and harassed by tons of men since I joined, as I'm sure everyone else has. A warm, genuine email from someone who completely meant what they were saying (despite being able to ever act on it) is a negative thing? No one was upset, as far as I can tell, and if they were, it can't possibly be more upsetting than the crap women put up with on a daily basis.

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Hey..if the paddle fits....

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First of all, she (unlike the fakes and scammers) came clean and apparently it was taken well. Secondly not all men are good at written expression; some need a little help. Would you really want to pass someone up simply because he couldn't get the words down on paper (so-to-speak) well? She isn't going to write the messages for them just show how to say things that will get these men some positive responses. Nothing wrong with that.

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i dont think its the cmails that are the problem. the root of the problem is a persons profile. write a desparate 'do me' profile and youll get desparate do me' types. write a clueless profile and youll get predators. write a miserable snarky profile and youll get fuck all.

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ORIGINAL: Fitznicely

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First of all, she (unlike the fakes and scammers) came clean and apparently it was taken well. Secondly not all men are good at written expression; some need a little help. Would you really want to pass someone up simply because he couldn't get the words down on paper (so-to-speak) well? She isn't going to write the messages for them just show how to say things that will get these men some positive responses. Nothing wrong with that.

If one woman - one woman - can put her hand on her heart and say she's never thought "these guys need fucking help", they're liars too. Now someone's in the position to help, and everyone's flaming her. I mean sheesh girls, c'mon. You want Doms to be consistent? Your turn

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

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ORIGINAL: MsLadySue

Wow - that was just a tad harsh!

Agreed. Frazzle, sweetie this isn't like you. I also agree with Fitz (who has been missing lately [>:]) some of the messages should be posted so the not-so-articulate Doms can see how to write a decent message.

Come now, do you really think that would be authentic to have a woman who posted as a man posting fake lovely messages, then post these messages so other real men could fake decent messages?

Does anyone else think this counterproductive, futile and wrong? I would not want to meet a man who needed a course or demonstration of how to write decent messages.

I want one who already knows how to communicate effectively and who is himself, not a copy of herself.

First of all, she (unlike the fakes and scammers) came clean and apparently it was taken well. Secondly not all men are good at written expression; some need a little help. Would you really want to pass someone up simply because he couldn't get the words down on paper (so-to-speak) well? She isn't going to write the messages for them just show how to say things that will get these men some positive responses. Nothing wrong with that.

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I think the blame should be where the blame lies, on the shoulders of those who send those messages.

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ORIGINAL: Fitznicely
If one woman - one woman - can put her hand on her heart and say she's never thought "these guys need fucking help", they're liars too. Now someone's in the position to help, and everyone's flaming her. I mean sheesh girls, c'mon. You want Doms to be consistent? Your turn

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ORIGINAL: Fitznicely

's OK, zeph, I know [:D]

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ORIGINAL: jujubeeMB

I know this is not going to make me particularly popular, ......

.....So all the men complaining that women don't respond to messages: make a better profile, and write a kind, warm, respectful, personalized email. We may be on this website because of our sexuality, but our sexuality is not what's going to make us want to talk to you.

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1


I don't care that she fessed up and came clean. It still makes it bullshit that she did that.

And I don't pass men up because of their ability or inability to write. I pass them up if I do not find them interesting, if I find them rude or unattractive and if they are clearly not someone I would like to know.

Lots of brilliantly written emails come my way; does not make the guy any more appealing to me if he does not meet certain criteria.

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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

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ORIGINAL: Fitznicely
If one woman - one woman - can put her hand on her heart and say she's never thought "these guys need fucking help", they're liars too. Now someone's in the position to help, and everyone's flaming her. I mean sheesh girls, c'mon. You want Doms to be consistent? Your turn

But if you change how you represent yourself based on jujubee's ideas of what women want to hear, then surely you would no longer be representing yourself-you would be representing jujubee...

It's not that I don't think guys could use help-I suppose that IMHO how to write a successful memo is something you should work out for yourself. Not something you should be cribbing off someone else.

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i dont think its the cmails that are the problem. the root of the problem is a persons profile. write a desparate 'do me' profile and youll get desparate do me' types. write a clueless profile and youll get predators. write a miserable snarky profile and youll get fuck all.

Not necessarily true lally - well except for the snarky profile [:D] My profiles have always been of the respectful kind and yet I get the nasty, disgusting messages all the time. I think the blame should be where the blame lies, on the shoulders of those who send those messages.