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RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy - 2/7/2010 5:36:55 PM

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Unfortunately, I lived in Utah when the cold fusion hoax came out, and I have a hard time taking breakthroughs like this seriously afterward. I'll have to review it when I'm in a more objective mindset.

Might want to look again. The Navy has been 'researching' cold fusion and apparently found a way to make it work.. ironically using the same model and techniques as those first. It's interesting to note this was done around when their patent expired.

They've made some neutrons, but haven't ruled out other mechanisms. In addition to neutrons, you need to produce tritium, and I didn't see any claims for that....

Popeye, space-time can be warped.

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RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy - 2/7/2010 6:43:34 PM

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Butch,

If what you say were true, then the speed of light would no longer be a constant. It would be relative.

But the speed of light IS a constant. It's why it's a reliable means of measurement. It's even why spectrum shift works.

You keep missing that time/speed is irrelevant at the speed of light. More speed has no meaning at that speed.

It is constant from the point of origin despite the speed of that point... read all of Einstein’s theory it supports just that. I have been saying that all along. That makes it relative to the motion of the object.

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OK, I've been trying to ignore the patronizing in favor of a discussion.

Look--to accept your vision, which you can't support (or at least haven't dug it up yet--I'll be interested to see it if you actually come up with anything), the speed of light would exceed the the speed of light relative to an outside observer. That would make the speed of light no longer a constant, but relative.

You simply keep repeating the same thing, still ignoring the point that time (and speed) become meaningless at the speed of light.

Incidentally, gravity/mass also changes, meaning nothing can escape.

Ignoring it doesn't make it untrue.

I've been quoting the same person as you Einstein.
Now do you think he knows what he is saying or not?

Butch

I know, Einstein. It's where I got it.

I'm saying it doesn't say what you think it says.

I do think he knows what he is saying. I don't think you do.

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I'll post the below again...it matches your mindset...

"To state that the speed of light is independent of the velocity of the observer is very counterintuitive. Some people even refuse to accept this as a logically consistent possibility, but in 1905 Einstein was able to show that it is perfectly consistent if you are prepared to give up assumptions about the absolute nature of space and time. "

Read this.

It says that the speed of light is independent of the velocity of the observer.

That's why it's a constant.

That's why it seems counterintuitive--as that's exactly the problem you're having with this.

And Einstein demonstrated it's nonetheless true, because space/time is NOT absolute.

Let me know when you're off the pills. Everything is a fucking argument with you. Life's too short.

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RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy - 2/7/2010 6:49:14 PM

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Photons have no mass, though they do have momentum.

Thank you, thorn.

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RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy - 2/7/2010 7:58:55 PM

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Kinda fun to dust off the old knowledge...

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RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy - 2/7/2010 9:40:58 PM

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Why is it when you obviously lose an argument you resort to insults...I used to think better of you.

All I can do is post what he said if you don't believe it so be it.

I'm done with you as well

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RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy - 2/7/2010 10:15:30 PM

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Just responding to the OP Brain

I am a forward thinker, and I figured this was about time for this. To the commoner this means nothing at this time, but in the long run it means alot. The first thing they are probably going to do is to use it to get more bandwidth.

On another forum I have a description of just how a real 3D TV would work. I can't direct you there but I could send it to you. It is a plausible design I believe, although technology would have to advance just a bit to feed it the proper signal. Feed ? Throw me a mail and I'll get the text on exactly how this will work. Notice I said will. It is a simple matter of stereoscopic cameras and a hell of alot of video prcessing. And of course a multi layer LCD panel with semireflective srufaces, some of which are masked by the extra LCD sheets, and others not, selectively.

I think Gene Rodenberry was just about right, by the 22nd or 23rd entury they will probably be able to teleport matter. It's going to take a new realization, and that won't happen until someone can prove it, then they move in the direction. What direction ? The realization that matter and energy are the same thing. Once the get past that one they are good to go.

All of this of course presumes that we don't killl ourselves off in the intereim.

T

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RE: Physicist Discovers How to Teleport Energy - 2/8/2010 6:53:54 AM

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All I can do is post what he said if you don't believe it so be it.

Not what I said, and not what he said.

Drop the attitude; slow down and read more carefully. You are mistaken.

And apparently pissed your pet theory doesn't hold.

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