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ORIGINAL: Loki45

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ORIGINAL: heartcream
Actually I just saw a show about that last night and women consistently make 70% of what men do doing the same job.

Or is this a conspiracy theory leaking onto prime time television? Oh the lengths people will go to to present a false version of reality!

Actually, it's a show about an old claim that's seldom true anymore. Look at fire fighters, cops, military, temps, servers, etc and *all* make the same wage regardless of what's between their legs. There may be some small corner of the job market where the 70% bullshit is true, but it's by far not the standard any longer.

And as a caveat, I say that even if it were still true....considering the old-fashioned way that men are expected to pay for dates, buy the ring, etc....it comes out pretty fair in the end, especially when you consider the story I saw when the recession was in full-swing that said men were being laid off in far greater numbers than women. This means that you must ask yourself -- would you rather have the perception of making more money, or would you prefer better job security? Apparently in a shitty economy, you can't have both.

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
On so many dates this past year, or on the phone with someone for the first time, I found many men overtalked, interrupted, did not listen, don't ask questions. They seemed hellbent on impressing me with their exploits, job, money, dissed their past relationships, were bitter about women, talked about divorce, blah blah blah.

Then at the end of the date, wondered why I was not interested in a second or on the phone when asking to meet up, said, WHY??? We are getting along so well? Whhhhat happened???

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ORIGINAL: heartcream

Men do you wish women would lose the desire to talk?

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy
Regarding pay - look what happens to transexuals.  F2M find that their pay goes up and they are taken more seriously.  M2F find the opposite is true.  There was no change in training or work experience, only the outward appearance and name.

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ORIGINAL: heartcream

Women do you find your man, potential man, ex-men will indulge and talk, or do they not even look at you when they speak and all that sort of thing. Do you find it satisfactory to speak with a man, if he opens up is it interesting to you or do you find yourself bored? Is it the content?

Women, are you left feeling unwelcome when you feel like opening up and talking? Men do you wish women would lose the desire to talk?

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Women do you find your man, potential man, ex-men will indulge and talk, or do they not even look at you when they speak and all that sort of thing. Do you find it satisfactory to speak with a man, if he opens up is it interesting to you or do you find yourself bored? Is it the content?

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ORIGINAL: Loki45

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy
Regarding pay - look what happens to transexuals.  F2M find that their pay goes up and they are taken more seriously.  M2F find the opposite is true.  There was no change in training or work experience, only the outward appearance and name.

I find that highly unlikely.

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ORIGINAL: Loki45

I find that highly unlikely.

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ORIGINAL: CarrieO
http://www.bepress.com/bejeap/vol8/iss1/art39/

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/25/before-that-sex-change-think-about-your-next-paycheck/

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1847194,00.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-caldon/disposable-income-how-gen_b_220984.html

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy
Well, you may find it unlikely, but that doesn't mean it's not true.  I heard it from the researcher involved, during an NPR broadcast.

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Why do you hate women?

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
His mommy didnt breast feed him?
He had a deep seated thing for her therefore loaths her and all women?
Women are whores unless they are mothers?
Some bitch did him wrong and its all her fault, hes a victim of her sexy manipulative ways?
Hes a loser and therefore all his problems are due to some other bitch?

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff
Why do you hate women?

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ORIGINAL: agirl

I've never felt I was being *indulged* anymore than he would. Sometimes he isn't terribly interested in some of what I'm saying and ditto, in reverse. I don't expect ANYONE to be interested in everything I happen to feel like talking about. 

He's not just ANY man, to me, he's THIS man. I'm not ANY woman, to him, either. I don't *need* to talk for the SAKE of it but without talking, we'd have nothing.

I think you might mean being *talked at*. No-one likes that very much as it's one-sided and only one person is really getting anything from it, man or woman. If that happens to me, then I switch off a bit too, whether it's a man OR a woman talking to me.

I certainly wouldn't want to be around someone that's *making an effort* to listen or talk to me....lol.
If it's THAT much hard work, then I wouldn't WANT them to. I also don't make an *effort* to listen and talk. It has to be easy and natural.....even if some conversations are difficult, the willingness has to be there.

agirl