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LadyPact -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/19/2010 8:46:54 AM)
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
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I really shouldn't have to tell you this, but folks involved in BDSM are just like any other subsection of society. That means that all points of view on the gender debate are going to exist here just like they are anywhere else in the world. Everything from accepting someone as female because that is the gender that they have always felt they were, to those who will never see someone as female because they were XY at birth, and all positions inbetween.
If alice is transgendered it is not "personal opinion" to call her a man or a "hir" or a "xhe"... I am not a fan of hers or anything, but I am a person that will vehemently stand up for those who are in the LGBT community. It is as big of a civil rights issue as was civil rights for Black people in the 1960s. I prefer to be on the right side of history in this regard. If alice wants to be referred to as a woman here, then I will refer to her as such. If people I genuinely like on this site decide that they do not want to refer to her as a "she" because of their own bigotry or because they think that tearing her down on this point is something to be lauded... well my opinion of such people will be lowered.
As to alice, well, I do not appreciate age-ism, sex-ism, weight-ism either, but two wrongs do not make a right... When it was ambiguous on the other thread as to who alice was, and she was attacking others for their weight, age, etc, I could see poking holes in her bigotry by demonstrating she was just as vulnerable... but since she has stated who she is, I really see no point in it.
Julia, I very much agree with what I highlighted in the above. As far as gender goes, I tend to refer to anyone as they wish to be referred to. Just the same as anything else, I know there are people out there who aren't going to agree with Me on it. The way that I know people are going to approach things in other ways that I don't.
What I think we do see differently is the use of pronouns such as xhe or hir. I've always taken them as in to include a person of any, or even multiple genders. Another possibility might be the pronouns being used because someone was unsure of whether to use he or she as appropriate. I don't automatically see the use of such pronouns as an automatic slight against someone, though I'm sure in some cases that they have been.
It's an interesting thought.
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