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Raiikun -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/19/2010 8:47:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BLoved Some might call that "legendary". And I'd suggest those people rethink their definition of "legendary."

AquaticSub -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/19/2010 8:47:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BLoved quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub Right. It's got nothing to do with the fact that you swoop in going "HUZZAH! THE LEGAND MAN HAS RETURNED TO THE FAULTY BOARDS WITH THEIR MISGUIDED BELIEFS!" instead of just going "Hey guys, I'm back. How is everyone?". One man, alone, standing before a mob who are constantly hurling abuse and insult his way, enduring whatever they throw at him for the opportunity to share his insights regarding Love and BDSM with those who might listen ... Some might call that "legendary". It's the Internet and you are thriving on the idea that people hate you and you are a matyr. This isn't exactly standing up to a tank. quote: To suffer for True Love is an honourable choice. Suffering is much more honourable when you don't go out of your way to find it.

BLoved -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/19/2010 8:48:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth You use an alleged sick child to derive sympathy. You create a wife character who you represent to have 'lovingly' nailed her tits to a board. Of course now she's dead, looking for some "woe is me" reaction. The intent is to point out that you are a masochist. A bratty attention whore at that who, when seeing attention wane, posts some ridiculous manifesto, most likely stolen from another source, to attract more cyber beatings. In other words, I am a worthless human being unfit for any relationship.

AquaticSub -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/19/2010 8:49:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BLoved quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth You use an alleged sick child to derive sympathy. You create a wife character who you represent to have 'lovingly' nailed her tits to a board. Of course now she's dead, looking for some "woe is me" reaction. The intent is to point out that you are a masochist. A bratty attention whore at that who, when seeing attention wane, posts some ridiculous manifesto, most likely stolen from another source, to attract more cyber beatings. In other words, I am a worthless human being unfit for any relationship. Nah. You're just throwing a fit at the moment.

Raiikun -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/19/2010 8:50:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BLoved quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth You use an alleged sick child to derive sympathy. You create a wife character who you represent to have 'lovingly' nailed her tits to a board. Of course now she's dead, looking for some "woe is me" reaction. The intent is to point out that you are a masochist. A bratty attention whore at that who, when seeing attention wane, posts some ridiculous manifesto, most likely stolen from another source, to attract more cyber beatings. In other words, I am a worthless human being unfit for any relationship. Petitio Principii, Argumentum ad Naseum, and now a strawman + appeal to emotion in one post. You're a veritable demonstration of logical fallacies in this thread.

LadyPact -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/19/2010 8:53:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BLoved quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Actually, OP, I don't think anyone here cares whether you sanction casual BDSM or not. 750+ posts to this thread say otherwise. Has it occurred to you that there are multiple conversations going on within this thread, some of which don't have anything to do with you? Also, Merc is correct. Since some of the replies within the thread itself are your own, it would be My opinion that those, as well as the other discussions within the thread taken out, would be more realistic of a total. Btw, please refer the post number within the thread where anyone called you a worthless human being, other than yourself.

juliaoceania -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/19/2010 8:55:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero (My reply here is intended to be a general address to the topic of transgendered users disclosing their previous gender, not something specifically related to one member): quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania If alice is transgendered it is not "personal opinion" to call her a man or a "hir" or a "xhe"... I am not a fan of hers or anything, but I am a person that will vehemently stand up for those who are in the LGBT community. It is as big of a civil rights issue as was civil rights for Black people in the 1960s. I prefer to be on the right side of history in this regard. If alice wants to be referred to as a woman here, then I will refer to her as such. If people I genuinely like on this site decide that they do not want to refer to her as a "she" because of their own bigotry or because they think that tearing her down on this point is something to be lauded... well my opinion of such people will be lowered. This is a stark difference to every other instance of LGBT discrimination. The issue is that people should be able to comfortably and openly be who they are, without bigotry. Transgendered people are "[X gender] that used to be [Y gender]". There should be no shame in that. If there is shame, though, to have to admit having been born one gender and then deciding you wished to be another, it is wrought from the individual him/herself. People are certainly free to be deceptive to whomever they wish for however long they wish, but dressing it up in the armor of protection based on sexual minority persecution is not an applicable process in these sort of cases. If I were open to such ridicule as transgendered people face I might lie about it too... since I have no frame of reference for such treatment as my life follows the norms of society, I can't cast stones.

BLoved -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/19/2010 8:57:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: BLoved quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Actually, OP, I don't think anyone here cares whether you sanction casual BDSM or not. 750+ posts to this thread say otherwise. You seriously judge your importance to these forums by how long your threads get? No. I judge people by their behaviour. 750+ posts is a lot of behaviour devoted to assasinate the character of one man. No what could it be about that one man that scares so many people into acting in such a manner?

juliaoceania -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/19/2010 8:57:22 AM)
quote: What I think we do see differently is the use of pronouns such as xhe or hir. I've always taken them as in to include a person of any, or even multiple genders. Another possibility might be the pronouns being used because someone was unsure of whether to use he or she as appropriate. I don't automatically see the use of such pronouns as an automatic slight against someone, though I'm sure in some cases that they have been. If someone refers to themselves as the pronoun "she", it is respectful to follow that... just my opinion

AquaticSub -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/19/2010 9:01:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BLoved quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: BLoved quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Actually, OP, I don't think anyone here cares whether you sanction casual BDSM or not. 750+ posts to this thread say otherwise. You seriously judge your importance to these forums by how long your threads get? No. I judge people by their behaviour. 750+ posts is a lot of behaviour devoted to assasinate the character of one man. No what could it be about that one man that scares so many people into acting in such a manner? As has already been addressed, many of those posts don't actually have to do with you. And if you really think that fear is the only thing that gets people talking, you have a lot to learn about human nature. No one on here is scared of you. You've been rude and insulting every time you've been around. That gets you some scorn that you earned. The thread was moved into random stupidity. That means people are just talking with each other and having fun. If you think the post count means you are scary, go search for the thread on bisexuality that got to over a hundred pages while we discussed musical theatre.

BLoved -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/19/2010 9:01:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ quote: ORIGINAL: BLoved quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ I would very much like for the OP to please concretely define "True Love". I would also like for him to define "Abuse". Sorry for being simplistic: At it's foundation a BDSM relationship is still a relationship. There are many different types of relationships. Given that... Bob, why do you feel that by adding the element of BDSM to a relationship, it excludes the possibility to have one without "True Love" and have it still be healthy? I advise you to read my profile and journal for the answers. I know you have it posted there, but since you introduced this discussion and because you have obviously given it a great deal of thought, I figured it would be best if you could provide the way you define those words (in a concise format) here. When one is discussing terms, those terms should be defined. ... and defined thoroughly. Unless you wish me to re-post my profile and journal here, I suggest you read what I've written there. No need to be shy. Most people who have posted to this thread have already visited, even if for no more than a minute or two.

Raiikun -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/19/2010 9:02:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BLoved No what could it be about that one man that [strike]scares[/strike] annoys so many people into acting in such a manner? Fixed for accuracy.

AquaticSub -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/19/2010 9:03:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BLoved quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ quote: ORIGINAL: BLoved quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ I would very much like for the OP to please concretely define "True Love". I would also like for him to define "Abuse". Sorry for being simplistic: At it's foundation a BDSM relationship is still a relationship. There are many different types of relationships. Given that... Bob, why do you feel that by adding the element of BDSM to a relationship, it excludes the possibility to have one without "True Love" and have it still be healthy? I advise you to read my profile and journal for the answers. I know you have it posted there, but since you introduced this discussion and because you have obviously given it a great deal of thought, I figured it would be best if you could provide the way you define those words (in a concise format) here. When one is discussing terms, those terms should be defined. ... and defined thoroughly. Unless you wish me to re-post my profile and journal here, I suggest you read what I've written there. No need to be shy. Most people who have posted to this thread have already visited, even if for no more than a minute or two. Or you could define them here instead of making people look through your profile. That would be, you know, reasonable. If you want more hits on your profile, there are more effective ways to go about it.

antinomy -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/19/2010 9:04:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BLoved quote: And the only reason it has exceeded one page is because so many people have such a low tolerance for the beliefs of others. Bob...don't You see the hypocrisy in this statement, when you have NO tolerance for the belief of others? You can't seem to grasp the concept of live and let live. I don't think a single soul here wants to convert you to casual BDSM. Yet, you are trying to tell other adults that what they are doing is wrong, harmful, and potentially dangerous to their consulting adult partners. I GET that it would be harmful to YOU to participate in such activities, as it goes against your personal beliefs. It's not my cup of tea, either. But, know what? It doesn't have to be. I can live my life just fine, not compromising a single one of my personal ethics, and still respect that other people have different needs. You claim people are attacking you. Maybe some are. BUT, the majority of people here are not so much attacking as defending their point of view. Most seem to be just fine with YOU believing what you believe. It's when those beliefs encroach on others rights that people start digging in their heels. Do it your way, more power to you- but, accept the reality that your way is NOT the only healthy way for the rest of the world.

SaintIntensity -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/19/2010 9:05:42 AM)
You used the term "legend" before the "mob" appeared to take you to task for its use, so your argument is ridiculous. Will it be "Martyr" next? Your use of a phrase such as "True Love" is deliberately dishonest too - because love just HAPPENS - you can't plan it, and you sure can't guarantee it - it shows up when it wants to, and it leaves when it damn well wants to as well, sadly. You can't imprison it, or see it coming on the horizon. You promise something you can't guarantee. This could be described as "fraud". Most of the solid, committed relationships/couples on here (and there are plenty) probably didn't enter into a relationship thinking "here we go, Love ahoy!" from the outset - it just happened - and is all the stronger for it. Few on here eschew a long-term, committed relationship - they just aren't looking for one right now! Of course, you actually WANT and NEED the "damaged" sorts - as your profile claims you will "heal" them - though in reality you're just after turning someone from one addiction to another. Its as callous as that. You need the "bad" BDSM incidents more than anyone else - they are, after all, your target audience. Think how christian groups target ex-addicts and those whose lives have collapsed - they make for great recruitment opportunities. Discussing negative, damaging BDSM encounters is a valid subject (and they DO exist, make no mistake - as there do in the"vanilla" world, of course) - but that isn't your motivation. You are just a troublemaker and an egotist. You don't care about anyone but yourself. If your "paradigm" was SO attractive, where are its adherents? Where are those leaping to echo your thoughts? Oh don't tell me - they memo you support in private but don't want to go public. We hear that a lot from the liars and self-obsessed on here. As for your being a "writer" - well, I hope that works out for you and you get more contact from publishers than you do these from potential "BDSM love partners." Somehow I suspect the levels will be similar. A round figure at that.

LanceHughes -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/19/2010 9:06:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BLoved quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub Right. It's got nothing to do with the fact that you swoop in going "HUZZAH! THE LEGAND MAN HAS RETURNED TO THE FAULTY BOARDS WITH THEIR MISGUIDED BELIEFS!" instead of just going "Hey guys, I'm back. How is everyone?". One man, alone, standing before a mob who are constantly hurling abuse and insult his way, enduring whatever they throw at him for the opportunity to share his insights regarding Love and BDSM with those who might listen ... Some might call that "legendary". Listen up, Boob! I have NEVER "hurled abuse nor insult at you." And if you think asking you to seek mental health professionals is hurling abuse, well that just proves my point. All of my posts here have been friendly, helpful, and spot-on. Your <very> few responses to me have been rude, limited to mindless repetition, and have been thread-jacking in nature <at best, random.> You have no sense of fairness in debate, but are rather quite the bully which, when coupled with your obvious paranoia, is not a person I'd like to know. There's been the slightest hint of WHY you were exiled and it has nothing to do with the Mods reaction to your personality nor to your ranting, bullying, repitious, random style. I'm getting the idea that you revealed true personal information in violation of the TOS. I hope you find a way to violate the TOS without doing that again. Oh, yeah. I find your use of the characters "~smile~" just as creepy as others have mentioned. But much more importantly, I find it non-consensual. This time, I am outta here for good - and I did check for my car keys - twice.

BLoved -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/19/2010 9:07:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: BLoved quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth You use an alleged sick child to derive sympathy. You create a wife character who you represent to have 'lovingly' nailed her tits to a board. Of course now she's dead, looking for some "woe is me" reaction. The intent is to point out that you are a masochist. A bratty attention whore at that who, when seeing attention wane, posts some ridiculous manifesto, most likely stolen from another source, to attract more cyber beatings. In other words, I am a worthless human being unfit for any relationship. Nah. You're just throwing a fit at the moment. ~smile~ Remember this should you expect me to take you seriously. Several have said that no one is claiming I am a worthless human being unfit for any relationship. But attacks like Merc's are ubiquitous throughout this thread. ~smile~ I'm not throwing a fit, I am proving a point. One can only wonder why there is any denial when the evidence is so obvious.

NihilusZero -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/19/2010 9:09:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania If I were open to such ridicule as transgendered people face I might lie about it too... since I have no frame of reference for such treatment as my life follows the norms of society, I can't cast stones. Aren't we just passively condoning the bigotry from the folks who would demean transgendered people if the answer is to allow the deception in order to avoid the consequences? I realize it's difficult and that not everyone who has a personal trait that requires being able to stand stoically in honest, public defense of it actually also has that mettle...but I don't see how lying actually helps at all, especially in a venue where courtship is happening (which means, depending on who you're talking to, the truth is going to come out at some point). Although, I do suppose that choosing to refrain from mentioning it in a public profile is just a matter of taste if the person is openly honest whenever a potential suitor is speaking with them. In that respect, I guess it's just another personal thing that needn't be initially brought out in the open, although it would still confuse me since I would hope the person could wear that part of themselves with pride...but, you do make a good point that there are perhaps enough twats out there that it makes it far too uncomfortable in the harassment realm to have to openly state it.

BLoved -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/19/2010 9:09:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: BLoved quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Actually, OP, I don't think anyone here cares whether you sanction casual BDSM or not. 750+ posts to this thread say otherwise. Since some of the replies within the thread itself are your own, it would be My opinion that those, as well as the other discussions within the thread taken out, would be more realistic of a total. I am already subtracting my posts. I consider efforts to hijack the thread just as insulting as anything else that has been said more directly.

AquaticSub -> RE: A legend returns ... (2/19/2010 9:11:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BLoved quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: BLoved quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth You use an alleged sick child to derive sympathy. You create a wife character who you represent to have 'lovingly' nailed her tits to a board. Of course now she's dead, looking for some "woe is me" reaction. The intent is to point out that you are a masochist. A bratty attention whore at that who, when seeing attention wane, posts some ridiculous manifesto, most likely stolen from another source, to attract more cyber beatings. In other words, I am a worthless human being unfit for any relationship. Nah. You're just throwing a fit at the moment. ~smile~ Remember this should you expect me to take you seriously. Several have said that no one is claiming I am a worthless human being unfit for any relationship. But attacks like Merc's are ubiquitous throughout this thread. ~smile~ I'm not throwing a fit, I am proving a point. One can only wonder why there is any denial when the evidence is so obvious. I don't expect you to take me seriously. I don't care if you do or not. It really doesn't matter to me. LP asked you to provide the post number of where you were called a worthless human being. I'm seconding that. If the evidence of *unprovoked* personal attack is obvious, present it.

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