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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

(My reply here is intended to be a general address to the topic of transgendered users disclosing their previous gender, not something specifically related to one member):

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

If alice is transgendered it is not "personal opinion" to call her a man or a "hir" or a "xhe"... I am not a fan of hers or anything, but I am a person that will vehemently stand up for those who are in the LGBT community. It is as big of a civil rights issue as was civil rights for Black people in the 1960s. I prefer to be on the right side of history in this regard. If alice wants to be referred to as a woman here, then I will refer to her as such. If people I genuinely like on this site decide that they do not want to refer to her as a "she" because of their own bigotry or because they think that tearing her down on this point is something to be lauded... well my opinion of such people will be lowered.

This is a stark difference to every other instance of LGBT discrimination. The issue is that people should be able to comfortably and openly be who they are, without bigotry. Transgendered people are "[X gender] that used to be [Y gender]". There should be no shame in that. If there is shame, though, to have to admit having been born one gender and then deciding you wished to be another, it is wrought from the individual him/herself.

People are certainly free to be deceptive to whomever they wish for however long they wish, but dressing it up in the armor of protection based on sexual minority persecution is not an applicable process in these sort of cases.

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun
Indeed hehe.

Really, he is getting picked on a bit in this thread...but that's only because schadenfreude *is* a very real human trait, and one doesn't have to feel guilty about it when a troll is the target of such schadenfreude. =)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Ron, it does bring the question of just what exactly would embarrass the site. 

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ORIGINAL: BLoved

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub
Right. It's got nothing to do with the fact that you swoop in going "HUZZAH! THE LEGAND MAN HAS RETURNED TO THE FAULTY BOARDS WITH THEIR MISGUIDED BELIEFS!" instead of just going "Hey guys, I'm back. How is everyone?".

One man, alone, standing before a mob who are constantly hurling abuse and insult his way, enduring whatever they throw at him for the opportunity to share his insights regarding Love and BDSM with those who might listen ...

Some might call that "legendary".

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ORIGINAL: BLoved

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx
Two and a half years ago you said this: (oh wait...thanks RedMagic for an hour of my life I can't get back...) ok, you said this: "I am confused why so many insist their way is the only way in which to handle death, and that as it was for them, it must be so for me.

I'd have thought those exposed to all the variations of lifestyle and relationship such as exists under the BDSM umbrella would see the dangers in declaring "One True Way" for dealing with death.

It would seem there are actually very few who understand that."

Insert relationships for the word death, and you'll have answered your own argument(s).

Can you articulate your answer (specific answer not apples and oranges) to the above? If you could do so, reasonably and without dissembling, perhaps we could come to an understanding.

I would like a thoughtful reply to this question, please.

Thank you.

Page number?

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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They have no rational, reasonable, ethical argument in favour of casual bdsm, so they stoop to character assasination.

And you have no rational, reasonable, ethical argument against it.  All you have it your opinion and based on your previous posts, I doubt you understand what casual play is. If you did, you wouldn't bring up bs about having sex with strangers. Some people play and there is no sex involved.

Nor does casual BDSM play have to be with strangers either. My limited casual play was with someone I knew for months before we played.

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ORIGINAL: BLoved

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub
Right. It's got nothing to do with the fact that you swoop in going "HUZZAH! THE LEGAND MAN HAS RETURNED TO THE FAULTY BOARDS WITH THEIR MISGUIDED BELIEFS!" instead of just going "Hey guys, I'm back. How is everyone?".

One man, alone, standing before a mob who are constantly hurling abuse and insult his way, enduring whatever they throw at him for the opportunity to share his insights regarding Love and BDSM with those who might listen ...

Some might call that "legendary".

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BOB. These people are losers. They couldn't figure their way out of a social paper bag. They are the detritus of society. WHY HERE?

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx
If you want to know what your answer was it was "apples and oranges" which was very dismissive, and didn't even attempt to address the question.
I am respectfully asking for you to address the above question.
Thank you.

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Reasonable debate I welcome and can handle. They've got nothing to offer, so they resort to character assasination.

For example:

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
You use an alleged sick child to derive sympathy. You create a wife character who you represent to have 'lovingly' nailed her tits to a board. Of course now she's dead, looking for some "woe is me" reaction. The intent is to point out that you are a masochist. A bratty attention whore at that who, when seeing attention wane, posts some ridiculous manifesto, most likely stolen from another source, to attract more cyber beatings.

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ORIGINAL: alicenwondrland

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ORIGINAL: BLoved

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub
Right. It's got nothing to do with the fact that you swoop in going "HUZZAH! THE LEGAND MAN HAS RETURNED TO THE FAULTY BOARDS WITH THEIR MISGUIDED BELIEFS!" instead of just going "Hey guys, I'm back. How is everyone?".

One man, alone, standing before a mob who are constantly hurling abuse and insult his way, enduring whatever they throw at him for the opportunity to share his insights regarding Love and BDSM with those who might listen ...

Some might call that "legendary".

BOB. These people are losers. They couldn't figure their way out of a social paper bag. They are the detritus of society. WHY HERE?

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ORIGINAL: alicenwondrland
BOB. These people are losers. They couldn't figure their way out of a social paper bag. They are the detritus of society. WHY HERE?

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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BOB. These people are losers. They couldn't figure their way out of a social paper bag. They are the detritus of society. WHY HERE?

And you wonder why people don't like you?

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ORIGINAL: antinomy

Bob....what makes YOU an authority on the subject? That's part of the problem here. Yes, you have had BDSM experiences, then again, so have a lot of other people here. You feel that you are an authority on what is harmful to other people, even arguing that you know what's better for them than they do themselves. Do you really, REALLY not see the problem in this? I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I'm just trying to figure out where you are coming from.

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And yes, you and Mercnbeth obviously have a history, and don't get along. It's apparent. I don't call that character assassination, I call it mutual dislike (even though I strongly suspect you will claim no such feeling, because it would undermine the transcendant persona you are trying to project).

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I just don't see what you are seeing in this thread. I think that a whole lot of people have tried to reach out to you- but you keep pushing everyone out, because your view is- in your estimation- the only valid one. While there are lots and lots of things in the world I don't agree with, or believe in, I recognize their validity to other people.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Agreed. Except for one thing...she is NOW claiming that she never said she was born male. That's where she and I part ways. (that, and her flame-baiting some very nice people)

Does it really matter?

If someone who was born other than what they state was reading this thread, would we all be proud about how we referred to alice? I know I am not proud of the way I posted to her on that other thread... I admitted that long ago

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ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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BOB. These people are losers. They couldn't figure their way out of a social paper bag. They are the detritus of society. WHY HERE?

And you wonder why people don't like you?

Does he?

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I need only look at the manner in which they express their objections to get a sense of their maturity.

Do they really expect to be taken seriously, behaving like that? Do they really think such performances discredit me with mature responsible adults?

Are they really unaware of how bombastic they appear?