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crazyml -> RE: If you told yoIur slave (2/23/2010 7:52:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf to undress in a restaurant would you expect her to regardless of the consequences? Sigh. If I told my sub to do anything, I would expect her to do it; That said, I would never place my sub into a situation where there was real risk of harm to her or others. As far as the "regardless of the consequences" clause goes. If my sub had a genuine reason for not doing something I'd want her to share it with me, and to feel able to to so - I'll consider her objection and either change my mind, or continue with the order. Asking a sub to smother herself in oysters might be sexy, but if I'm not aware that she's so allergic to them that that kind of contact would kill her then, frankly, I'd be grateful for the "heads up". Now there are doms, who will state categorically that they don't need to allow that kind of "consequence check" because they're utterly confident that prior to issuing the order they'll have covered all those basis. I don't know, but perhaps a proportion of those doms are actually sufficiently knowing to make that claim - but I'd hazard that a proportion of them are just stupid self-inflated jackasses. I happy to say that I am strong enough to admit that an order is innapropriate. Back to the restaurant... If it was a kink-friendly restaurant where all of the other people there were aware of the kink friendliness - then there's a good chance I might make this request. In fact, I did make exactly this request at a club in Ibiza a few years ago. And it was yummy, a blend of exhibitionism, food play - heck it turned into something of an orgy. If it was a public restaurant with non-kinky people (or even worse - children) -present then, in my own personal opinion a Dom have to be a complete and utter arsehole to make a request like that at all - And I would very much hope that the sub in question would tell the Dom in question to fuck off.

crazyml -> RE: If you told your slave (2/23/2010 7:58:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael Now you guys have me thinking of taking a "little" girl to Chuck E Cheeses for a "birthday"...with a remote vibrating egg and perhaps a japanese rope dress done in very thin rope under her dress. Make her go to the bathroom and come back with her wet panties stuffed in her mouth, perhaps sitting with her bare ass on the vinyl seat. Maybe even flashing a pervy dad or two who is clearly paying her too much attention. Sometimes little girls even have "accidents" because they are too excited to remember to go to the bathroom... Some of you people need to get out more! I absolutely LOVE blending kink with vanilla contexts, and indeed have had playmates have "accidents" too - but here's the thing... And I hasten to add this is just my POV, others are free to differ... I would never show a sub off to someone who wasn't consenting I would never show a sub off to a minor I would never ask a sub to do something that would involve another person having to do shit that they shouldn't have to do - So I'd never make a sub pee her panties in a place where some poor schmuck was going to have to clean it up (I've flipped burgers and its frikken nasty to have to clean up a total strangers piss or vomit).

Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: If you told your slave (2/23/2010 8:02:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff Of course it's silly. It's an osf thread. This is just a variation of the,"do slaves have limits" thing. Jeff What's next? If an owner expects to keep a slave 24/7 in plexiglass cage with a hundred tarantulas, should the slave run like hell or comply? When do limits start to become "the outer limits"? (pun intended)

SimplyMichael -> RE: If you told your slave (2/23/2010 8:06:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4 What's next? If an owner expects to keep a slave 24/7 in plexiglass cage with a hundred tarantulas, should the slave run like hell or comply? When do limits start to become "the outer limits"? (pun intended) A real slave would feed the tarantulas her blood because the master loves his tarantulas.

tazzygirl -> RE: If you told your slave (2/23/2010 8:34:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UniqueRaven quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth quote: ORIGINAL: UniqueRaven quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy there are some really stupid women out there that will do anything they are told. Hm, Domi, stupid, really? Or perhaps some us just use our smarts in choosing to submit to a D-type who won't make us do "stupid" things. [;)] That point is like a huge part of the discussion on this thread, right? with the addition of "won't do anything that would harm us" [:)] Exactly. And for what it's worth, i don't see the act of looking both ways when i cross the street as being disobedient - that is part of being obedient, to do things in a way which keeps me as his property safe. But the point is that i cross the street, not stand there and argue about whether it would be legally or emotionally damaging for me to do so. Being obedient doesn't make you stupid - in more ways than one. It just means you do as you're told. i see very little drama in this. Oh, and btw, i don't factor much into the fact that osf started this discussion - he isn't my Owner, so i'm not responding for him - i'm responding to the discussion in general, for my dynamic, and the man whom i serve. [;)] Dont know if this has been brought up, but, im going to do so now. Everyone talks about an Owners responsibility to the slave... what about the slave's to the owner? Now, before you think you know where this is heading... its me... im not that easy to read. i believe an owner does have that responsibility... i also believe a slave does as well. yes, i know, slaves are supposed to obey. but they are also supposed to protect what their owner owns as well. some men want door mats... a minority... an extremely small minority. most men, the majority, want intelligent women who obey. consider this, if you will. if obeying lands you in jail... you being the slave... who is at home serving? who is taking care of the responsibilities? no one lives in a vaccumm, our actions affect many lives. from co-workers and family, to strangers on the street. while im sure the tittilation of such an exposure, and the act of obedience, is heady, the reality is, its a stupid move. Most often, you may see this where the slave is commanded to perform public acts while the man is safely elsewhere, immune to the consequences. Merc, thanks for the link to that restaurant... never heard of it but it sounds wonderful. Now, in a place like that, i could see stripping without fear of any kind. There are clubs, dungeons, private homes, ect for that kind of activity. as slave, i would think my job would be to protect my owner from harm, even him harming himself and me. when caught up in the moment, yeah, it sounds exciting... behind bars, that excitement tends to wane... and his will too after a stint in the county jail for the slave, as well as fines, legal fees, and possibly having the slave be registered as a sex offender, depending on who was around when he commanded her to strip. just sayin'

UniqueRaven -> RE: If you told your slave (2/23/2010 8:42:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: UniqueRaven Exactly. And for what it's worth, i don't see the act of looking both ways when i cross the street as being disobedient - that is part of being obedient, to do things in a way which keeps me as his property safe. But the point is that i cross the street, not stand there and argue about whether it would be legally or emotionally damaging for me to do so. Being obedient doesn't make you stupid - in more ways than one. It just means you do as you're told. i see very little drama in this. Oh, and btw, i don't factor much into the fact that osf started this discussion - he isn't my Owner, so i'm not responding for him - i'm responding to the discussion in general, for my dynamic, and the man whom i serve. [;)] Dont know if this has been brought up, but, im going to do so now. Everyone talks about an Owners responsibility to the slave... what about the slave's to the owner? Now, before you think you know where this is heading... its me... im not that easy to read. i believe an owner does have that responsibility... i also believe a slave does as well. yes, i know, slaves are supposed to obey. but they are also supposed to protect what their owner owns as well. some men want door mats... a minority... an extremely small minority. most men, the majority, want intelligent women who obey. consider this, if you will. if obeying lands you in jail... you being the slave... who is at home serving? who is taking care of the responsibilities? no one lives in a vaccumm, our actions affect many lives. from co-workers and family, to strangers on the street. while im sure the tittilation of such an exposure, and the act of obedience, is heady, the reality is, its a stupid move. Most often, you may see this where the slave is commanded to perform public acts while the man is safely elsewhere, immune to the consequences. Merc, thanks for the link to that restaurant... never heard of it but it sounds wonderful. Now, in a place like that, i could see stripping without fear of any kind. There are clubs, dungeons, private homes, ect for that kind of activity. as slave, i would think my job would be to protect my owner from harm, even him harming himself and me. when caught up in the moment, yeah, it sounds exciting... behind bars, that excitement tends to wane... and his will too after a stint in the county jail for the slave, as well as fines, legal fees, and possibly having the slave be registered as a sex offender, depending on who was around when he commanded her to strip. just sayin' i'm not going to type much here because i think this thread has really run its course. [:)] i've highlighted a key part of my point in my original post, above. All i will add is that i wouldn't make the choice up front to be owned by someone who would ask me to do something illegal, or permanently physically or emotionally harmful to me or anyone else - that violates the need that i have to be able to trust him as my owner. This is one of the reasons i identify more as "slave-wired" than "true slave" - your mileage may vary, and all that. It is the art of the slave to balance obedience, intelligence, and protecting her owner's property, no matter what the command. And that art will vary from slave to slave, and owner to owner, just like - as some say - snowflakes. [;)]

Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: If you told yoIur slave (2/23/2010 8:57:30 AM)
"Bonnie and Clyde Outlaw Kink" <--- fetish for breaking the law in kinky ways.

Icarys -> RE: If you told your slave (2/23/2010 9:13:21 AM)
quote: some men want door mats... a minority... an extremely small minority. most men, the majority, want intelligent women who obey. consider this, if you will. if obeying lands you in jail... you being the slave... who is at home serving? who is taking care of the responsibilities? no one lives in a vaccumm, our actions affect many lives. from co-workers and family, to strangers on the street. Slight derail.. I've owned a couple of those doormat females that so many seem to want to equate with inferior in some way...They were highly intelligent...Maybe that wasn't your intention to diminish but it sounded like it. (Back on track)

Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: If you told your slave (2/23/2010 9:27:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf to undress in a restaurant would you expect her to regardless of the consequences? If there's a table full of Nuns seated, I'd hope to hell there'd be consequences from Mod7.

osf -> RE: If you told your slave (2/23/2010 9:33:22 AM)
from a submissives point of view Doormat sub = any sub more submissive than i am

juliaoceania -> RE: If you told your slave (2/23/2010 9:34:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf from a submissives point of view Doormat sub = any sub more submissive than i am If that is supposed to be humorous, well it just isn't... I never even use that term to describe other S-types

ownedbyPF -> RE: If you told your slave (2/23/2010 9:36:33 AM)
I thought you said this perfectly Unique Raven :) If my Owner says strip, he isn't interested in my opinion on the matter, he is interested in my obedience. If I trust him to whip me, to keep a roof over my head, to keep me safe, then I must also have the faith and trust in him to recognize that any given order from him doesn't have to make sense to me in order for me to obey it. Maybe it's a kink friendly place and I don't know that. Maybe he's testing me to see if I will, with the intention of stopping me. Maybe he's arranged something ahead of time. I don't know. I don't have to know... I just have to trust and obey. ~s

sublizzie -> RE: If you told your slave (2/23/2010 9:44:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf from a submissives point of view Doormat sub = any sub more submissive than i am Which submissive's point of view? Not mine. Not the POV of any of the submissives that I know well.

Mercnbeth -> RE: If you told your slave (2/23/2010 9:45:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: some men want door mats... a minority... an extremely small minority. most men, the majority, want intelligent women who obey. consider this, if you will. if obeying lands you in jail... you being the slave... who is at home serving? who is taking care of the responsibilities? no one lives in a vaccumm, our actions affect many lives. from co-workers and family, to strangers on the street. Slight derail.. I've owned a couple of those doormat females that so many seem to want to equate with inferior in some way...They were highly intelligent...Maybe that wasn't your intention to diminish but it sounded like it. (Back on track) agree completely...NOT being considered a "doormat" is no guarantee that one posesses any more or less intelligence than another, who isn't considered a "doormat". personally, this slave would rather be considered useful and humble~just like a "doormat"~than intelligent, if the two just HAVE to be mutually exclusive.

Icarys -> RE: If you told your slave (2/23/2010 10:05:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: some men want door mats... a minority... an extremely small minority. most men, the majority, want intelligent women who obey. consider this, if you will. if obeying lands you in jail... you being the slave... who is at home serving? who is taking care of the responsibilities? no one lives in a vaccumm, our actions affect many lives. from co-workers and family, to strangers on the street. Slight derail.. I've owned a couple of those doormat females that so many seem to want to equate with inferior in some way...They were highly intelligent...Maybe that wasn't your intention to diminish but it sounded like it. (Back on track) agree completely...NOT being considered a "doormat" is no guarantee that one posesses any more or less intelligence than another, who isn't considered a "doormat". personally, this slave would rather be considered useful and humble~just like a "doormat"~than intelligent, if the two just HAVE to be mutually exclusive. Your proof that such a negative claim couldn't be true.

osf -> RE: If you told your slave (2/23/2010 10:20:55 AM)
my doormat comment means it's so totally unimportant to me if you're a submissive then by definition you're willing to be a doormat for someone

Jeffff -> RE: If you told your slave (2/23/2010 10:24:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf my doormat comment means it's so totally unimportant to me if you're a submissive then by definition you're willing to be a doormat for someone Define doormat. Define submissive. Define restaurant. Define consequences. This is just another dumbass thread that offers nothing to the reader. 17 pages of shit Jeff

crazyml -> RE: If you told your slave (2/23/2010 10:28:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf if you're a submissive then by definition you're willing to be a doormat for someone Utter utter nonsense, this is so much nonsense that my jackass-o-meter has just blown a fuse. Notwithstanding the foolishness of using the term "by definition" in a kinky forum (Whose definition?????) My definition of "doormat" is clearly nothing at all like yours, and I'd submit that yours is way out of whack with the definition used by the sub fems I know. I have had the real joy of playing with a number of subs in my time - and not a single one of them would be a "doormat" for anyone, ever. No way no how. Indeed - it's one of my show-stopper criteria - I don't want someone who would ever be a "doormat" - ever. I so enjoy your threads - It's like one of those "100 worst car crash" shows on cable. I know I shouldn't be reading them, I know I shouldn't be enjoying myself as I do - But I give you 10 out of 10 for entertainment. It truly is a privilege to watch someone plumb ever deeper levels of jack-assedness with such finesse and passion. I salute you!

cpK69 -> RE: If you told your slave (2/23/2010 10:30:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: osf my doormat comment means it's so totally unimportant to me Bullshit. quote: if you're a submissive then by definition you're willing to be a doormat for someone Meaning what, exactly? Kim

osf -> RE: If you told your slave (2/23/2010 10:35:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff quote: ORIGINAL: osf my doormat comment means it's so totally unimportant to me if you're a submissive then by definition you're willing to be a doormat for someone Define doormat. Define submissive. Define restaurant. Define consequences. This is just another dumbass thread that offers nothing to the reader. 17 pages of shit Jeff then why are you reading it?

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