Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

What About Misandry?


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> What About Misandry? Page: [1] 2 3 4 5   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
What About Misandry? - 2/23/2010 12:21:58 PM   
Dominasola


Posts: 582
Joined: 9/18/2008
From: Ottawa, Canada
Status: offline
I've recently started reading a book entitled, "Sanctifying Misandry: Goddess Ideology and the Fall of Man"
by Katherine K. Young and Paul Nathanson (McGill University). It (along with three other similar books by the same authors) is essentially a critique of the misandry trend that seems to be sweeping Western society, and it peaked my interest.

I recall wondering what the focus on hating boys was about when I was in high school with the emergence of the "Boys Are Stupid" T-shirts in retail stores... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys_are_stupid and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys_are_stupid,_throw_rocks_at_them!_controversy).

My dad has always said that the Caucasian male is fast becoming the most discriminated against demographic in North
America.

Thinking of these things, I wonder where in BDSM misandry falls.  There have been threads on misogyny and BDSM, and threads on Feminism, but I have been unable to find any threads specifically on misandry (and just as an addendum, I see a strong difference between feminism and misandry.  Feminism = empowering females, while misandry = dehumanizing males).

I have found it interesting that, whenever BDSM seems to be represented in the media, female dominants are viewed in
a more positive light than male dominants.  For example, in CSI, Lady Heather nearly whips to death the man who killed her daughter.  Even though she is assaulting the man, she is the victim. Her daughter WAS murdered, but it would be interesting to see who is portrayed as the victim if the roles had been reversed. I also find it interesting that in another
episode, a paying male client ends up murdering one of Lady Heather's girls...simply because he needed to release the frustration of living with an over-bearing, power-hungry wife.

In this thread, http://www.collarchat.com/m_3044567/mpage_1/key_BDSM%252Cmovies/tm.htm#3044630, LadyAngelika lists a rather extensive list of movies and TV shows that contain BDSM themes.  The one thing that really struck me as I read the list was the focus on the image of the "dominatrix," frequently viewed in a positive light. I cannot think of any positive portrayals of male dominants in movies or TV shows.  In fact, the only movie representation of a male dominant I can think of off the top of my head is Jabba the Hutt enslaving Leia in Star Wars...and he ends up being killed by his slave, who constantly represents the image of an empowered female.

Is this lack of the portrayal of a positive male dominant in entertainment because of misandry?  Is it because of the empowerment of the female, or because of the dehumanization of the male?  Why is it okay to depict a woman flogging a man, but the opposite would be seen as abuse (even if it is consensual)?

And perhaps as an extension of these questions, is misandry present in BDSM as a whole?  Have (straight) female dominants ever felt that they are actively adding to the popular mentality of misandry by performing acts that may be perceived as dehumanizing or demonizing men?  Have (straight) male dominants ever felt pressure from society for being in a position of power that is not generally accepted anymore?

_____________________________

I have made a ceaseless effort not to ridicule, not to bewail, not to scorn human actions, but to understand them.

—Baruch Spinoza

The measure of a man is what he does with power.

—Pittacus
Profile   Post #: 1
RE: What About Misandry? - 2/23/2010 12:25:42 PM   
Smutmonger


Posts: 995
Joined: 2/17/2010
Status: offline
This often happens in situations of unbalances-leading to dualism. The pendulum swings wildly. When men wake up and stop putting up with it-things will change.

(in reply to Dominasola)
Profile   Post #: 2
RE: What About Misandry? - 2/23/2010 12:34:26 PM   
NihilusZero


Posts: 4036
Joined: 9/10/2008
From: Nashville, TN
Status: offline
It is interesting to see the cultural counterbalance of decades of a female-diminished hierarchical system. I remember it being brought up once how stereotypically, it's easy to find TV shows where the wife is shown in a "knows what's going on", head-of-the-household sort of way while the husband is shown as dopey, silly and hopelessly under-gifted in the brain department, but ultimately lovable because of it.

Trying to find the converse would be an interesting endeavor. I can imagine any show displaying that sort of dynamic being quickly piled into the complaint box.


_____________________________

"I know it's all a game
I know they're all insane
I know it's all in vain
I know that I'm to blame."
~Siouxsie & the Banshees


NihilusZero.com

CM Sex God du Jour
CM Hall Monitor

(in reply to Smutmonger)
Profile   Post #: 3
RE: What About Misandry? - 2/23/2010 12:35:19 PM   
Madame4a


Posts: 2045
Joined: 2/4/2008
From: Washington, DC area
Status: offline
"Is this lack of the portrayal of a positive male dominant in entertainment because of misandry?  Is it because of the empowerment of the female, or because of the dehumanization of the male?  Why is it okay to depict a woman flogging a man, but the opposite would be seen as abuse (even if it is consensual)? "


In entertainment (my emphasis) its about just that.. and Hollywood.. and nothing actually all that truthful or real... so the use the mainstream archetype which is always the black latex clad (or similar) dominatrix with either a whip or crop...

I don't think it has a thing to do with misandry, empowerment, or dehumanization.. its just not that deep.. its about sensationalism and what sells...


< Message edited by Madame4a -- 2/23/2010 12:36:19 PM >


_____________________________

You're crazy bitch
But you f*ck so good, I'm on top of it
When I dream, I'm doing you all night
Scratches all down my back to keep me right on

(in reply to Dominasola)
Profile   Post #: 4
RE: What About Misandry? - 2/23/2010 12:39:24 PM   
Smutmonger


Posts: 995
Joined: 2/17/2010
Status: offline
In the long run,I don't worry about or pay attention to popular media. It's all about commercialism. Personally,if I dislike the way a woman behaves towards me-I simply shun her-issues solved.

(in reply to Madame4a)
Profile   Post #: 5
RE: What About Misandry? - 2/23/2010 12:46:35 PM   
LadyNTrainer


Posts: 1584
Joined: 5/20/2009
Status: offline
My opinion, for the whole $0.02 it's worth with current rates of inflation, is that both male and female dominance superficially resembles violence to the unenlightened observer.  Emotions and motivations such as anger, rage, hate, fear, revenge, etc, may be automatically assumed.  Images of male to female violence are associated with abuse, and are unlikely to be acceptable in the mainstream.  Images of female to male violence may be more socially acceptable for various reasons (eg, depicting the empowered female), but the same basic assumptions are likely to be made.

When I see a man kneeling willingly to the whip, his back arched in pleasure and pain, his head bowed, his skin marked and welted, what I see is pure and true love.  The outside world cannot see that; they only see violence, hatred, anger, revenge.  There could be nothing further from my mind at a deeply intimate moment like that, but that's not something easily understood by those who don't natively speak the same language.

There is no violence, hatred or anger in my sex, my play or my intimacy.  There certainly is some heavy SM, and it can be damn hard to explain the difference to any vanilla observer.


_____________________________

Your dominant Personal Trainer for fitness and body shaping in the lifestyle. Let my fetish be your motivation.

(in reply to Dominasola)
Profile   Post #: 6
RE: What About Misandry? - 2/23/2010 12:54:34 PM   
Justme696


Posts: 3236
Joined: 1/7/2008
From: Royal kingdom of the Netherlands
Status: offline
emancipation overhere was often confused by some females with misandry
(other way around happens also..ofcourse)
Reading soem lesbian profiles...makes you scared by times...but perhaps we caused that ourselfs.

Mm..I don't feel we are threatened as the male species.

_____________________________

~Been there, done that, got the t-shirt

(in reply to LadyNTrainer)
Profile   Post #: 7
RE: What About Misandry? - 2/23/2010 1:21:43 PM   
SylvereApLeanan


Posts: 8275
Joined: 11/1/2007
From: Hell
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Madame4a

I don't think it has a thing to do with misandry, empowerment, or dehumanization.. its just not that deep.. its about sensationalism and what sells...



Quoted for truth. 
 
The entertainment industry just isn't that philosophically complex.  It's about what will attract the most people and encourage them to spend the most money.  It has nothing to do with misandry, dehumanization, or (gods-forbid) reality, by any stretch of the imagination.
 
When men have been viewed as defective women, forcibly subjugated, and traded like cattle by women for 5,000 years, that's when I'll start worrying about how Hollywood portrays the dominant male and what society at large thinks about that depiction.  Until then, I will simply avoid the media that does not appeal to me and spend my money elsewhere.  I most certainly won't worry about whether or not the way I choose to live and play contributes to the dehumanization of the male of the species.  Hell, I'd have more play partners if I were more willing to dehumanize and objectify men.

_____________________________

Sylverë
Dark Muse
30 Fluffy Points
Grumpy Cat is my spirit animal.
Shadow Governess & Mean Girl
"There's something that doesn't make sense. Let's go and poke it with a stick."— The Doctor

(in reply to Madame4a)
Profile   Post #: 8
RE: What About Misandry? - 2/23/2010 2:50:36 PM   
LaTigresse


Posts: 26123
Joined: 1/15/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Madame4a

I don't think it has a thing to do with misandry, empowerment, or dehumanization.. its just not that deep.. its about sensationalism and what sells...



Quoted for truth. 
 
The entertainment industry just isn't that philosophically complex.  It's about what will attract the most people and encourage them to spend the most money.  It has nothing to do with misandry, dehumanization, or (gods-forbid) reality, by any stretch of the imagination.
 
When men have been viewed as defective women, forcibly subjugated, and traded like cattle by women for 5,000 years, that's when I'll start worrying about how Hollywood portrays the dominant male and what society at large thinks about that depiction.  Until then, I will simply avoid the media that does not appeal to me and spend my money elsewhere.  I most certainly won't worry about whether or not the way I choose to live and play contributes to the dehumanization of the male of the species.  Hell, I'd have more play partners if I were more willing to dehumanize and objectify men.


This.

When it stops selling, we will stop seeing it.

At my house, I have complained about the representation of men on television. The woman the all knowing, suffering and the man the stupid bumbling idiot, causing his poor wife and everyone around him, undo misery because of his stupidity. 'Everyone Loves Raymond' is a perfect example. But then, not too many years ago, we had programmes like 'I Love Lucy' that depicted the woman as the ditzy creature, causing her poor suffering husband undo misery because of her stupid, but somehow charming, antics.

Like someone said, the pendulum has to swing both ways before it comes to rest in the middle.


_____________________________

My twisted, self deprecating, sense of humour, finds alot to laugh about, in your lack of one!

Just because you are well educated, articulate, and can use big, fancy words, properly........does not mean you are right!

(in reply to SylvereApLeanan)
Profile   Post #: 9
RE: What About Misandry? - 2/23/2010 3:07:18 PM   
BLoved


Posts: 642
Joined: 8/5/2009
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Dominasola
My dad has always said that the Caucasian male is fast becoming the most discriminated against demographic in North
America.


I agree.

quote:

Is this lack of the portrayal of a positive male dominant in entertainment because of misandry?


Yes. Portraying a man as brutally dominant takes the place of a rapist.

quote:

Is it because of the empowerment of the female, or because of the dehumanization of the male?


Both. Consider the two Charlie's Angels movies, for example.

quote:


Why is it okay to depict a woman flogging a man, but the opposite would be seen as abuse (even if it is consensual)?


Because men have been stereotyped as women-hating abusers whereas women are stereotyped as wonderful loving mothers.

quote:


And perhaps as an extension of these questions, is misandry present in BDSM as a whole?


It exists throughout society.

quote:


Have (straight) male dominants ever felt pressure from society for being in a position of power that is not generally accepted anymore?


Yes.

_____________________________

When your bdsm paradigm makes love essential, expect some flack from those for whom love is anathema.

(in reply to Dominasola)
Profile   Post #: 10
RE: What About Misandry? - 2/23/2010 3:12:51 PM   
Aylee


Posts: 24103
Joined: 10/14/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

It is interesting to see the cultural counterbalance of decades of a female-diminished hierarchical system. I remember it being brought up once how stereotypically, it's easy to find TV shows where the wife is shown in a "knows what's going on", head-of-the-household sort of way while the husband is shown as dopey, silly and hopelessly under-gifted in the brain department, but ultimately lovable because of it.

Trying to find the converse would be an interesting endeavor. I can imagine any show displaying that sort of dynamic being quickly piled into the complaint box.



It happens in commercials a lot and personally drives me batty. 

However I think that there is a difference between television and something like the "SCUM Manifesto."  Which, by the way, the first time I read it I thought that it was supposed to be a joke. 

_____________________________

Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam

I don’t always wgah’nagl fhtagn. But when I do, I ph’nglui mglw’nafh R’lyeh.

(in reply to NihilusZero)
Profile   Post #: 11
RE: What About Misandry? - 2/23/2010 3:25:11 PM   
lally2


Posts: 2621
Joined: 4/16/2009
Status: offline
ive got really sick of how tv programmes depict *us* as being weak (submissives) and psychosickos (Dominants) - it is a way of dehumanising and detaching *themselves* (society) from *us*.

there is no attempt to understand, simply to sensationalise and by proxy reject *us*.

a programme i watched recently called *wire in the blood* used the terms submissive and Dominant to describe the culprits involved in a killing spree. in the end the Dominant was murdered by his submissive and the submissive was taken gently away by pitying police.

in any other context misandry does not exist, least i dont see much of it. in this context it clearly does. society has been emotionally and psychologically castrating men for years. any signs of dominance over a woman is too hideous to contemplate. Dominance in war, business, fishing, golf, cricket, footie and theyre good to go - but here in this context, not so much.

we must really frighten them

_____________________________

So all I have to do in order to serve him, is to work out exactly how improbable he is, feed that figure into the finite improbability generator, give him a fresh cup of really hot tea ... and turn him on!

(in reply to BLoved)
Profile   Post #: 12
RE: What About Misandry? - 2/23/2010 3:32:06 PM   
Lorenzo19


Posts: 237
Joined: 2/8/2010
Status: offline
A couple more examples. In an episode of Rosanne she bashed her hubby on the head with a 12 in iron frying pan. And that was comedy not spousal abuse. At least 20 times a day a Man gets kicked in the balls and that's comedy. On TV news Women are constantly told to kick attackers in the balls (A disaster because the attacker will just grab your foot and flip you over).

Attacking hollywood is not pointless. But realize the attack is on the people who watch and enjoy Men being dehumanized. They pay hollywoods salary. they vote with dollars.

I see misandry as symptomatic of the total breakdown of society. But that's for another thread.

Although a fascinating topic: What misandry has to do with BDSM I'm trying to figure out. I prefer to think BDSM'er have risen above misandry and such.

I have noticed that there seems to be more than in the past of fem subs who are not interested in single Men or only Fem Doms or insist there be a Fem Dom in the relationship. Maybe there is some unconscience misandry creeping into BDSM and D/s. But I wouldnt go so far to say girls not into Men are victims of misandry.

_____________________________

Daddy Dom & Romantic Sadist

Everything I needed to know about life I learned by killing smart people and eating thier brains.
Give Me your heart. Make it real. Or else forget about it.

(in reply to BLoved)
Profile   Post #: 13
RE: What About Misandry? - 2/23/2010 3:39:44 PM   
kittinSol


Posts: 16926
Status: offline
You've got to be kidding, right? The enormous majority of Hollywood movies are movies by men, about men, for men, with women used as accessories and stereotypes of femininity.

The very few Hollywood movies that are about women tend to pander to the stupidest cliches (brainless bimbos who live for handbags, shoes, shopping and worrying about who will marry them).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009/feb/08/hollywood-cinema-female-leads

Seriously: the "persecution" of your gender at the hands of the media is a pure product of your imagination.

_____________________________



(in reply to Lorenzo19)
Profile   Post #: 14
RE: What About Misandry? - 2/23/2010 3:43:02 PM   
Smutmonger


Posts: 995
Joined: 2/17/2010
Status: offline
I can see all sides of this. Dominant" when applied to males seems to have become just a pc word they substitute for "abuser".

But we are still stuck in a confused state with a lot of outmoded double standards. Culture is the slowest thing to change.

(in reply to kittinSol)
Profile   Post #: 15
RE: What About Misandry? - 2/23/2010 3:53:17 PM   
lally2


Posts: 2621
Joined: 4/16/2009
Status: offline
lorenzo, youre post reminded me of 'King of Queens' a sitcom we've got on satellite over here. the female character is constantly violent toward her husband - hitting him, punching him, twisting his nipples. now if he did that to her it would be totally unnacceptable (of course), but then i find her violence toward him unacceptable when the canned laughter comes on each time she hurts him and we're being 'asked' to laugh at her violence and his submission to her violence.

the double standard thing is appalling - she can hit him but he cant hit her. if he hits her he's a monster, if she hits him its funny.

looking at it that way, you can see why or atleast where the repulsion for bdsm and Ds springs from, if society really is saying that men must be meak and women must be strong.

< Message edited by lally2 -- 2/23/2010 3:55:44 PM >


_____________________________

So all I have to do in order to serve him, is to work out exactly how improbable he is, feed that figure into the finite improbability generator, give him a fresh cup of really hot tea ... and turn him on!

(in reply to Smutmonger)
Profile   Post #: 16
RE: What About Misandry? - 2/23/2010 4:29:38 PM   
cloudboy


Posts: 7306
Joined: 12/14/2005
Status: offline
A dominatrix will not be associated with abuse as much as a maledom might. Although BDSM is a gender neutral power dynamic, it it cannot supplant male physical might and the male propensity for violence.

Men might walk around in dread of women, but they don't tread in fear and are rarely sent to either the hospital or the morgue.

< Message edited by cloudboy -- 2/23/2010 4:31:24 PM >

(in reply to Dominasola)
Profile   Post #: 17
RE: What About Misandry? - 2/23/2010 5:10:45 PM   
stella41b


Posts: 4258
Joined: 10/16/2007
From: SW London (UK)
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Dominasola

Is this lack of the portrayal of a positive male dominant in entertainment because of misandry?  Is it because of the empowerment of the female, or because of the dehumanization of the male?  Why is it okay to depict a woman flogging a man, but the opposite would be seen as abuse (even if it is consensual)?



While in part I would agree with what is written about regarding sensationalism and striving for maximum viewing figures and audiences I also feel that hardly anybody in the entertainment industry is prepared to risk jeopardizing the production through alienating their potential audience.

Indeed, this is quite a relevant subject for me right now as I'm preparing to film my own independent film project titled 'Switch' where a male slave in an M/s dynamic with a domme is alleged to have also continued (without her knowledge) a relationship with a female submissive as her male dom.

The film starts when the female submissive Becky pays an unexpected visit to the business premises of her alleged dom Paul (who is the 24/7 slave to Tina, his wife and domme, who works at his premises as his secretary). Paul is at that moment in the bathroom, so Becky first encounters Tina, who she thinks first is a secretary and she isn't sure whether it's Paul's wife/domme or not. However when Paul emerges from the bathroom he comes face to face with both Becky and Tina together which is when Becky makes her allegations of a relationship and pulls a gun on Paul and Tina.

This is a film which very much addresses the issue of misandry within the larger issue of power and control in relationships between men and women, the unique class struggle which exists in British society and also the influence the Internet has on forming interpersonal relationships.

The film has been adapted from one of my own stage plays, the gun is used as the fourth character but is used in a way which is used in a very original manner. If you are wondering how this guy could be a 24/7 slave and yet carry on a relationship with a female submissive as her male dom you are probably going to find yourself falling into the same trap as the audience who have judged him deceitful, lying, dishonest and cheating within the first five minutes of the film.

But there's more, in fact there's much more but I'm not prepared to explain what here - you're just going to have to wait and see the film which I'm hoping will be ready in April (it's an independent short, in case you're wondering). But it's a gripping film where the emotions and the relationships between the characters change from minute to minute. Watch out for it at the festivals.

The cast are all professional actors, there have been changes, and I have always been very quick to point out that any relationship with a dynamic is usually structured, contains different rituals, protocols, principles - all of which are set out, agreed upon in advance and which are adhered to by both parties, which I feel is the major difference from an abusive relationship and thus this in itself is why those who engage in such relationships, BDSM and the 'alternative lifestyle' aren't being abusive but just being 'different'.

I'm having the same conversations when working on the film as I have had when working on the stage performances and I have had to argue on a number of occasions with actresses who wanted to either wear fetishy type clothing or have some sort of visual symbols of 'kink'. There are some auditory signs within the soundtrack, but within the film there's nothing visual, no collars, no crops, no tryskellions, nothing to suggest that these people are anything other than vanilla.

This is a film aimed at a general audience, and having discussed this with the cast we have decided to come up with a film which will be perceived differently by those in the community from how those in wider society will perceive it, however the issues which are addressed in the film are issues not just relevant to the BDSM community but to wider society as a whole.

Part of the problem I feel is connected with social stigma. Social stigma to me exists when someone has an aspect or characteristic about them or their lifestyle which arouses fear or hostility in other people. It has to be said that being a heterosexual male dominant sadist carries a certain amount of social stigma, as does a heterosexual female dominant, as does a gay male, as does a transgendered female, and all have certain elements which are likely to arouse either fear or hostility in others simply for being who they are.

And it is precisely these areas of social stigma which almost invariably represent the darker, uncharted territory for much of the entertainment industry except of course when there's a need to be controversial so as to bring attention to one's production. This is why there are no positive images of the sadistic male dominant, just as there are no romantic comedies involving an interracial couple not to mention a romantic comedy involving a same sex couple, at least not in what we would regard as the mainstream entertainment industry.

It would appear that the only time that the entertainment industry shows any interest or does wander into this darker, uncharted area of stigmatized characteristics it is usually by way of supporting or even compounding an existing stigmatized social stereotype, such as the crazed serial killer who is also a sadist, so that we have a character who is stigmatized not just because they're a sadist, but also because they're a criminal so that somehow the artificial reality found in films and other forms of entertainment never quite gives us the whole picture or represents the actual reality of what is actually out there in society. Again it's for the very same reasons, to develop the plot, create the impact, attract an audience.

Misandry does exist within the community and this is simply because it also exists in wider society and this is certainly something which I'm hoping is illustrated by my film, together with the hope that in some way, for some people, yet more of the stigma attached to BDSM and authority transfer relationships is removed.


_____________________________

CM's Resident Lyricist
also Facebook
http://stella.baker.tripod.com/
50NZpoints
Q2
Simply Q

(in reply to Dominasola)
Profile   Post #: 18
RE: What About Misandry? - 2/23/2010 5:43:18 PM   
DarkSteven


Posts: 28072
Joined: 5/2/2008
Status: offline
I think both genders get screwed.

I feel that

1, Men tend to get stereotyped as domineering.  I can't remember the last time I saw a man in popular media that spent time with his kids, mowed the yard, etc. - the things that real men do every day.
2. As has been stated, a man striking a woman is abusive, while a woman striking a man is funny.

On the other hand:

1.Hollywood still hasn't figured out how to have real women strip naked.  So they have an inordinate amount of movies with hookers in them (off the top of my head: Pretty Woman, Leaving Las Vegas, Night Shift) so that they are given an excuse for being naked and sexual.

2. Women in power are viewed as bitchy (The Devil Wore Prada, Working Girl).  Oddly enough, this stereotype holds for women who have corporate power but not for action heroines (Kill Bill, X-Men, Supergirl, etc.).



_____________________________

"You women....

The small-breasted ones want larger breasts. The large-breasted ones want smaller ones. The straight-haired ones curl their hair, and the curly-haired ones straighten theirs...

Quit fretting. We men love you."

(in reply to stella41b)
Profile   Post #: 19
RE: What About Misandry? - 2/23/2010 6:30:38 PM   
Level


Posts: 25145
Joined: 3/3/2006
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dominasola

I've recently started reading a book entitled, "Sanctifying Misandry: Goddess Ideology and the Fall of Man"
by Katherine K. Young and Paul Nathanson (McGill University). It (along with three other similar books by the same authors) is essentially a critique of the misandry trend that seems to be sweeping Western society, and it peaked my interest.

I recall wondering what the focus on hating boys was about when I was in high school with the emergence of the "Boys Are Stupid" T-shirts in retail stores... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys_are_stupid and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys_are_stupid,_throw_rocks_at_them!_controversy).

My dad has always said that the Caucasian male is fast becoming the most discriminated against demographic in North
America.

Thinking of these things, I wonder where in BDSM misandry falls.  There have been threads on misogyny and BDSM, and threads on Feminism, but I have been unable to find any threads specifically on misandry (and just as an addendum, I see a strong difference between feminism and misandry.  Feminism = empowering females, while misandry = dehumanizing males).

I have found it interesting that, whenever BDSM seems to be represented in the media, female dominants are viewed in
a more positive light than male dominants.  For example, in CSI, Lady Heather nearly whips to death the man who killed her daughter.  Even though she is assaulting the man, she is the victim. Her daughter WAS murdered, but it would be interesting to see who is portrayed as the victim if the roles had been reversed. I also find it interesting that in another
episode, a paying male client ends up murdering one of Lady Heather's girls...simply because he needed to release the frustration of living with an over-bearing, power-hungry wife.

In this thread, http://www.collarchat.com/m_3044567/mpage_1/key_BDSM%252Cmovies/tm.htm#3044630, LadyAngelika lists a rather extensive list of movies and TV shows that contain BDSM themes.  The one thing that really struck me as I read the list was the focus on the image of the "dominatrix," frequently viewed in a positive light. I cannot think of any positive portrayals of male dominants in movies or TV shows.  In fact, the only movie representation of a male dominant I can think of off the top of my head is Jabba the Hutt enslaving Leia in Star Wars...and he ends up being killed by his slave, who constantly represents the image of an empowered female.

Is this lack of the portrayal of a positive male dominant in entertainment because of misandry?  Is it because of the empowerment of the female, or because of the dehumanization of the male?  Why is it okay to depict a woman flogging a man, but the opposite would be seen as abuse (even if it is consensual)?

And perhaps as an extension of these questions, is misandry present in BDSM as a whole?  Have (straight) female dominants ever felt that they are actively adding to the popular mentality of misandry by performing acts that may be perceived as dehumanizing or demonizing men?  Have (straight) male dominants ever felt pressure from society for being in a position of power that is not generally accepted anymore?


A related aside: if you want to read more on the subject, check out Warren Farrell's Women Can't Hear What Men Don't Say ; the first half is kind of touchy feely how-to stuff, but the second half is where the meat is. Farrell is a 3-time board member of NOW, and he documents what he writes quite carefully.

I don't think we see positive, dominant males in the media because there is that whole Tim Robbins-esque New Age Sensitive Male thang going on in Hollywood. Simplistic answer to a more complex issue, I'm sure, but it's the best I can do lol.


_____________________________

Fake the heat and scratch the itch
Skinned up knees and salty lips
Let go it's harder holding on
One more trip and I'll be gone

~~ Stone Temple Pilots

(in reply to Dominasola)
Profile   Post #: 20
Page:   [1] 2 3 4 5   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> What About Misandry? Page: [1] 2 3 4 5   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.109