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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 10:27:14 PM   
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I want a doormat.

Wouldn't it be cool? I am not joking around here.

I would prefer her to be a woman of standing that I convert to doormatship. That would be some ultimate Dom ass shit.
Unfortunately the reality suggests that she will probably have experienced some fairly horrendous shit that would pave her plummet to doormatness.

In my minds eye I picture her successful, happily married with a loving and wonderful extended family. She has strong personal convictions and beliefs. Then I creep in and wonderfully alter all of that. This proud woman now is willing to do the lowest biddings of humanity. Suck cock for five dollars, modify her mind,spirit and body...To even eat shit and die.

She is out there and waiting. We must find her and prevent her from pursuing and participating in such a boring and mundane life. She is a beautiful dung rose just waiting to bloom.





That is so fucking hot, omg, that is exactly what I have been looking for!

I just wanted to say, I like the new domitar... although I miss looking into those dead rapper eyes


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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 10:38:58 PM   
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From a personal (in terms of my own view) I do think/believe/feel that a Doormat can be shape/molded/trained/transformed into a wonderful slave. However requires a certain of degree of discipline. This is regardless or none withstanding their emotional or mental condition or well being. However, an idealism that is common for many people is that the slave should serve with a high degree of self esteem and self worth, without feeling like shit about it. However, being labeled a doormat does indeed challenge a sub/slave to question themselves and their own self worth and self esteem. However, they can adopt the label of doormat, so it sits well with thier own mental conditioning without it effecting their self esteem. The Happy to be a Doormat slave/submissives.

However, on the flip side of the coin, is when somebody comes to the mesage boards, and makes a post such as "Help My Master wants me to fuck myself with Barbwire".. the advice given is not for her to become in the likeness of a Doormat. (ironic). People often wonder why Newbie or those new to the lifestye are fucking simply confused. Be it Dominants or submissives or whoever else. Must we twist around every word in the english language in a manner to even confuse other people? Clearly this has ramifications in Public view and Public Relations for the BDSM communities even. Should we pull out a gun and shot ourselves in the foot here?

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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 11:02:47 PM   
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However, on the flip side of the coin, is when somebody comes to the mesage boards, and makes a post such as "Help My Master wants me to fuck myself with Barbwire".. the advice given is not for her to become in the likeness of a Doormat. (ironic). People often wonder why Newbie or those new to the lifestye are fucking simply confused. Be it Dominants or submissives or whoever else. Must we twist around every word in the english language in a manner to even confuse other people? Clearly this has ramifications in Public view and Public Relations for the BDSM communities even. Should we pull out a gun and shot ourselves in the foot here?


Exactly!!! But those days are over. Fuck the community and those fat black leather encased motherfuckers.


This is the year of the doormat. They should be embraced for all that they can do. If they are discarded it should be noted that they served their purpose but their services are simply no longer required.

It would be something to own a doormat. Use her as you see fit without developing any human emotions or feelings towards your doormat. You could be walking down the street along side your doormat when she is struck by a meteor...As you wipe the blood and brains off of your sport coat you mention to a fellow passerby, "Holy shit!!! Did you see that? Wow!! You don't see that kind of shit every day!"...

You then cross the street without looking back and go get yourself a burrito.



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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 11:20:38 PM   
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In my minds eye I picture her successful, happily married with a loving and wonderful extended family. She has strong personal convictions and beliefs. Then I creep in and wonderfully alter all of that. This proud woman now is willing to do the lowest biddings of humanity. Suck cock for five dollars, modify her mind,spirit and body...To even eat shit and die.

She is out there and waiting. We must find her and prevent her from pursuing and participating in such a boring and mundane life. She is a beautiful dung rose just waiting to bloom.





That is so fucking hot, omg, that is exactly what I have been looking for!

I just wanted to say, I like the new domitar... although I miss looking into those dead rapper eyes



Actually there is a certain appeal to it, no? Just being beat down and broken till you will do whatever act or deed no matter how vile.

Domiguy stands towers over juliadoormatania and shouts, " You will blow Sean Hannity and lick Coulter's gash." Without a single afterthought julia does as she is told.

How hot is that shit?

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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 11:43:37 PM   
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A Staw man, ab absurdo, or Reductio ad absurdum? A challenge in critical thinking skills.

Relativism is the philosophical belief that all views are equally valid. However, if you test this
position under general rules of logic, you soon discover that relativism is illogical and self-defeating. If relativism is true and all points of view are true, then the assertion that relativism is false, is true. Is this contradictory? Yes. Is truth contradictory? No.

Please consult your online resources for the following terms.


  • straw man
  • ab absurdo
  • Reductio ad absurdum
  • Relativism


Also, there's some case in Germany where a father lit up his 19 year old daughter (yes, put her ass on fire) because she did'nt want to marry who he wanted her to. He ended up getting a sentence reduction because he was operating according to his own Religious and Moral beliefs. (go figure, relativism truely at it's best in bringing justice to victims).

People wonder why, the concern for abuse is questioned at times in the middle of Relativism centered debates on CM. But don't worry, it's just really a Straw Man. No case for any real alarm.

I think I'm going to go get a burrito out of my freezer, nuke it up and come back. See if anybody well, sort of understands what the fuck I just posted. Personally, people seem to be a little confused over what really is or is not a true straw man. I'm off to see the Wizard.. the wonderful wonderful wizard of Oz. Perhaps he has the Answers!!



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RE: Doormats - 2/28/2010 3:29:47 AM   
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Food for thought...

Fuck Relativism (please listen)

For those people who question my own integretity lately, if you listen to this link above, you'll clearly understand why I engaged as head strong as I did in "A legend Returns" thread or few other threads.

While having an open mind is good within reason (Partially Relativistic), please considered the consequences of Extreme/Absolute Relativism. Moral Relativism

Relativism can lead to cynical disenchantment for many people.

Many people with an "open mind" get into trouble trying to be too realativistic.



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RE: Doormats - 2/28/2010 4:30:41 AM   
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RE: Doormats - 2/28/2010 6:47:05 AM   
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next shall we redefine a rapist? pedaphile?

you may not like the definition... and it may be because it doesnt fit what you want it too... but you cant redefine green to fit the color blue either.


that, to me, is the absolutely most crazy thing i have ever read on here.

define porn.  define fat, skinny. 

define "easy".  is it someone who fucks everyone but you? or someone who fucks everyone including you.

define insane.  crazy. 

some words are set in stone, with one twue definition.  murderer, rapist, absolutely.  if they are used in the proper context, one is someone who murdered another human being, one is someone who forced someone else to perform sex acts against their will (or something close to that-lol-i aint googling the exact definitions).

depending on who you ask, being a doormat could have good or bad meaning.  just as slut could, bitch, cunt, whore, player, diva.  all these words mean something different to many people.

the fact that you continue to argue a point, especially here, that for some(many) is the definition of what makes their relationship wonderful and makes it work.....

you show you are a girl.....there is only one definition of girl, so you must be too young to be on this site, cause if you were old enough, you would be tazzywoman right?

i dont mean this as an attack, but good grief, sometimes it is so easy to say "i can see your side of this and hmmmm, perhaps i should allow you to enjoy your doormat or doormattiness and just not worry my purdy lil head about others who are happy".


its tazzygirl because among goreans, woman refers to a FW, which i am not.

my purdy lil head... hmmm... so not my style. nor do i like being put down in such a manner. i have a mind, a good one, consider myself quite intelligent about many subjects. i will continue to voice my opinions as i see fit. im sure you have no issue with that. but, if, by chance, you do, im sure you know where the hide button is to click.

here is an odd question for you. this is a site to discuss differences. my position is that a doormat, as seen by most of world, is not something that should be romaticized or glamorized. when discussing rape that is consensual, its called rape play. why? because rape, by itself, is something inherently wrong and many would tell a sub/slave when faced with such a prospect to run like hell. many threads here have girls telling other subs or slaves to not do this, not do that, dont tolerate this, dont accept that. even a few who are claiming the doormat status.

now, i have said a slave can appear to be a doormat for her Master/Owner. yup yup, said it more than once. but that is not a doormat as society accepts the term.

but, since you are so curious... here is the difference between a sub/slave and a doormat.

Owner gives the girl a command... no sex without my approval.

Owner goes out of town.

Owner had allowed girl to be used by another man, not her owner.

Other man now demands service.

sub/slave says ... i have to contact Master first.

doormat says... when?

the desire to please overrides everything else... even common sense... even an owners command.

just like with rape play, there can be doormat play... or a doormat. But, for christs sake, when you use the term to define yourself, dont blast other people when they snicker, call you on it, belittle you or demean you. you merely asked for it. others will view you by the definitions they know, not by what you may have twisted them to become.

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RE: Doormats - 2/28/2010 7:07:00 AM   
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Domiguy stands towers over juliadoormatania and shouts, " You will blow Sean Hannity and lick Coulter's gash." Without a single afterthought julia does as she is told.

Ann Coulter has a penis....




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RE: Doormats - 2/28/2010 7:15:53 AM   
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quote:

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However, on the flip side of the coin, is when somebody comes to the mesage boards, and makes a post such as "Help My Master wants me to fuck myself with Barbwire".. the advice given is not for her to become in the likeness of a Doormat. (ironic). People often wonder why Newbie or those new to the lifestye are fucking simply confused. Be it Dominants or submissives or whoever else. Must we twist around every word in the english language in a manner to even confuse other people? Clearly this has ramifications in Public view and Public Relations for the BDSM communities even. Should we pull out a gun and shot ourselves in the foot here?


Exactly!!! But those days are over. Fuck the community and those fat black leather encased motherfuckers.


This is the year of the doormat. They should be embraced for all that they can do. If they are discarded it should be noted that they served their purpose but their services are simply no longer required.

It would be something to own a doormat. Use her as you see fit without developing any human emotions or feelings towards your doormat. You could be walking down the street along side your doormat when she is struck by a meteor...As you wipe the blood and brains off of your sport coat you mention to a fellow passerby, "Holy shit!!! Did you see that? Wow!! You don't see that kind of shit every day!"...

You then cross the street without looking back and go get yourself a burrito.




I'd prefer the nachos grandes.  (Ducks in case of meteors.)

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RE: Doormats - 2/28/2010 7:17:45 AM   
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Domiguy stands towers over juliadoormatania and shouts, " You will blow Sean Hannity and lick Coulter's gash." Without a single afterthought julia does as she is told.

Ann Coulter has a penis....





Gee thanks for the image, now I'm going to have nightmares *goes to get the brain bleach*


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RE: Doormats - 2/28/2010 7:27:34 AM   
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i do not use the doormat term to identify my self.  but, some day, i could if the planets align and all that jazz, and i would not have one problem with it.

and i am sorry, but if gorean can have more than one definition of girl, others with beliefs that are not gorean can choose to have more than one definition of doormat.

if you found my post to be an insult, or to somehow indicate that you are anything less than intelligent and welcome to your own OPINIONS, that is a problem within you and has nothing to do with me.

opinions repeated over and over do not make them fact. and no i will not use the hide button, as i find you to be interesting at least, and passionate about what you believe in, but again, your opinion is not everyones fact.

all im sayin....

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RE: Doormats - 2/28/2010 7:36:06 AM   
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Vanilla society has more than one definition for "girl", and I found one that encompasses a grown woman using the term...

But there is no positive entry for "doormat". I suggest you write one of the dictionary people and change that

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more than one definition of girl,

  • a young woman; "a young lady of 18"
  • female child: a youthful female person; "the baby was a girl"; "the girls were just learning to ride a tricycle"
  • daughter: a female human offspring; "her daughter cared for her in her old age"
  • girlfriend: a girl or young woman with whom a man is romantically involved; "his girlfriend kicked him out"
  • a friendly informal reference to a grown woman; "Mrs. Smith was just one of the girls"

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    RE: Doormats - 2/28/2010 7:52:39 AM   
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    and i am sorry, but if gorean can have more than one definition of girl, others with beliefs that are not gorean can choose to have more than one definition of doormat.

    i

    all im sayin....


    Goreans have seven hundred and thirty nine words to describe a woman that is a doormat. It was widely believed at one time that eskimos had an absurdly high number of words to desrcibe snow. That is an erroneous myth. Though they live in a frigid environment Eskimos are not douchebags...They pretty much call snow...snow.

    Goreans have seven hundred and thirty nine words to describe a doormatterly type of gal.

    As they should. I am going to get me one of them doormats. Stay tuned I might just make the national news.

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    RE: Doormats - 2/28/2010 7:59:07 AM   
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    Doormat Logic, truth and Relativism.

    How does this apply to the meaning of Doormat? First of all, when somebody is called a Doormat they are being figuratively compared to the literal meaning of a physical doormat. This is True. To fully come to the understanding of the implications and all posible connonations we must look at what is a doormat, literally. If we don't look at the doormat in it's fully literal meaning and context, we can bu no mean establish the full set of literal to figurative translations and meanings. While one set of implications may hold personal truth for you, it does not hold the same meaning for everybody. So let's look at doormat from the Universal context first, to see every possible truth to what we are dealing with. Establish some baseline truth regarding a doormat. Mind you while Doormats do not have to be kept on either side of an exterior door of a house, it is however true that this is the Dominant truth.

    Mind you this truth can be alloted a percentage of truth. Such as being 80%-90% likely that a doormat is kept outside a door. We can also establish that there's say a 70% probability that a doormat is kept on the inside of the door. However, in regards to it being kept on either side of a bedroom door, we could perhaps derive a 5% percent probability that this is true. This removes the need to having an Absolute truth, removes having to treat everything Relatively Equal in value and nature. The pitfall of relativism is that it can lead to the equal treatment of relatively unequal things that are relative. If one asserts that doormats can be kept in a the crisper drawers of a refrigerator. I would have to call bullshit upon this meaning and context use of a doormat, because it ain't being really used for a doormat anymore. It would be fucking absurb.

    First and foremost, who actually uses a physical Doormat? Mind you, I assume most everybody should have an understanding already of what it's intended and common use is, however it could be used as shower/bath mat. (a probability of lesser value compared to it's intended use). It could be used while one is changing the oil or doing some form of work on the underside of their car (again a lesser probability, yet still valid use of a doormat). Do you see where the equal treatment of things in a relative world, well just does not make any sense? While there may be a number of possible truthes and tangents, it by no mean changes the Dominant truth of what a doormat really is, nor where it's generally located, and who uses it. One who uses a doormat to wrap around their head to keep top secret government devices from reading their mind. Again, I'd have to make the Absurb bullshit call on this, because it's not being used in the manner it was intended for. Just fucking Absurb. Mind you, there actually is somebody who uses a doormat like this. Case in point where treating all things equal fails logic and fucking common sense.

    Most people do not carry their own doormat with them to wipe their feet while coming and going from other people's houses. That would just plain be impratical and absurb. Most people do not have a doormat placed on either side of their bedroom door. Again, this becomes rather absurb in nature. Mind you that aburbities do exist, but this abnomlies should not be treated with equal value, but rather lesser value. Again, it's sad to recognize that such a person exists, but there is indeed somebody who carries their own doormat around with them and uses it like this. Well outide the norms of standard deviation.

    Doormats, are indeed mats for a door. I would hope that most people would know and understand where doormats are generally located, as well as to know who actually uses them. It would be rather aburb to place a doormat on the inside/outside of a front door, and insist that nobody else but you can use them, or to insist upon making people ask you for permission before using them. That would be a little Absurb and off the beaten path. Mind you there probally are some people that engage in this behavior, but it's a very low percentage of the population.

    People use doormats to clean the dirt and whatever else off their shoes, just like some people use people to do their dirty work for them. Their chores, tasks and other things so their life is a little cleaner. But we won't talk about that one, now will we. If we really wanted to express or convey the meaning of somebody walked all over, it would make more sense to use the word carpet or floor. There's a reason why doormat is specifically selected as the word of choice. There is even logic that is applied here.

    Then again, it's all relative, it sincerely meaning nothing. I'll just call such people "Hot Dogs" because I can, and nobody can argue with me, because it's my own personal view and it's equal to everybody elses, screw logic and rationality. My view is equal because it's fucking relative.


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    RE: Doormats - 2/28/2010 8:23:02 AM   
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    i do not use the doormat term to identify my self.  but, some day, i could if the planets align and all that jazz, and i would not have one problem with it.

    and i am sorry, but if gorean can have more than one definition of girl, others with beliefs that are not gorean can choose to have more than one definition of doormat.

    if you found my post to be an insult, or to somehow indicate that you are anything less than intelligent and welcome to your own OPINIONS, that is a problem within you and has nothing to do with me.

    opinions repeated over and over do not make them fact. and no i will not use the hide button, as i find you to be interesting at least, and passionate about what you believe in, but again, your opinion is not everyones fact.

    all im sayin....


    What you fail to see is her opinion is derived from truth and logic, and not some mere opinion at all.

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    RE: Doormats - 2/28/2010 8:35:55 AM   
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    After peeking around online, I found one BDSM dictionary that had the inclusion of "doormat":

    http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/dictionary/Doormat/



    I wish to point out an article that NZ coughed up, regarding Doormat in a BDSM dictionary, for whatever it's worth to anybody. While it's a little sketchy... such articles are when they are focused upon self esteem and such, which go hand in hand with the Vanilla context as well.

    It does stress..... If you wonder if this lifestyle is for you, in whatever role, but cannot tell the difference between doormat and submissive, you will do well to spend more time learning and meeting real people.



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    RE: Doormats - 2/28/2010 8:42:47 AM   
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    Here's what the Wipipedia (a BDSM resource) has regarding
    http://www.londonfetishscene.com/wipi/index.php/Doormat



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    RE: Doormats - 2/28/2010 8:45:55 AM   
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    A doormat is what you chose. what you want to do with it! After all a Doormat is yours to use as you feel. Awwww poor Doormat!

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    RE: Doormats - 2/28/2010 8:46:40 AM   
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    You know, much of this whole thread strikes me a lot like the blind leading the blind. It is a bunch of "Not-doormat" personalities discussing what the doormat personality is like (and just for the record, once again, I find that labeling objectionable, but I'll just go with the thread as stated) In general, I see a lot of theorizing without having any freaking clue. So instead, what's being said amounts to, "Well it's not like ME so it must be bad." Then, of course, we have those who for whatever reasons want to reclaim the word and make it good by their own definition (I'm a doormat but only with my owner -- presumably a well chosen owner so it only works out well). That's fine also, but honestly only muddies the waters of this conversation. Then there are those who want to make this a non-existent thing by carrying it to impossible degrees (the "never say 'no' to anyone" crowd). This is a lot like saying TPE doesn't exist because no slave would [insert suitably horrific thing here].

    For the record, this thing that you all are calling a "doormat", I interpret as a personality that is naturally submissive... one that generally defaults to a submissive stance -- everywhere, all the time. Now, before the extremists pile on, let's remember that breathing is also a natural thing and normally doesn't rise to our attention. But given sufficient provocation (a lot of smoke in the air for instance), it does hit our level of awareness and then, for limited periods at least, we can choose to not breath. For the record, personality types, like most things, need context in order to work out well or not. And this personality type, like most, has it's up sides and down sides. There are situations in which is it definitely contra-indicated. But there are also situations in which it is extraordinarily well adapted -- first and foremost in my mind is that of being a slave.

    So yes, Carol has some pretty broadly flexible boundaries with the world at large. For the most part, she submits to the will of others without even being aware she is doing it. Sometimes that works in her favor, other times against her. Yet it is also true that if someone transgresses those boundaries thoroughly enough (someone including myself) then suddenly, just like her breathing, she becomes aware of the behavior and can now choose what to do about it. And yes, just like you'd expect from the normal definition of doormat, while she does have defenses, those defenses are not anywhere near as well developed as most people's.

    The bottom line here is I am NOT redefining the terms here. I am not trying to make those attributes into anything other than they are. She has a personality type which someone other than me might choose to apply the word "doormat" to. In my opinion, that'd be their loss, my gain. And I have to admit, I am laughing a great deal at the fact that, apparently, the one thing that is truly not acceptable in the BDSM community is.. you know... people who just naturally submit. This is especially humorous since every single dominant I know will gladly tell you that they are naturally dominant and do so all the time. Why aren't we vilifying those people and calling them "assholes". Surely, in the wrong situation, dominance does in fact become a bad thing. Is it really possible that BDSM'ers are, in fact, so incredibly afraid of submission?

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    I didn't so much "enslave" Carol as I did "enlove" her. - Me
    I want a joyous, loving, respectful relationship where the male is in charge and deserves to be. - DavanKael

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