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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 8:37:20 PM   
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Do you expect people to ask permission first before using your slave or just simply use your slave like your slave was a dootmat set outside your door? Are your friends, family, neighbors and whoever else allowed to wipe their feet on your slave? People don't generally ask for permission to use a doormat.

This, again though, is saying nothing about the doormat and everything about other people.


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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 8:39:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		When someone is described as a doormat it has nothing to do with the definition of an actual doormat, it simply means people walk all over them, they are very submissive. In bdsm terms this works as a description of slaves, especially "no limits" slaves, even if it is limited to "personal doormat" meaning only their dom/me walks all over them.

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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 8:42:26 PM   
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http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/dictionary/Doormat/


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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 8:45:05 PM   
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Do you expect people to ask permission first before using your slave or just simply use your slave like your slave was a dootmat set outside your door? Are your friends, family, neighbors and whoever else allowed to wipe their feet on your slave? People don't generally ask for permission to use a doormat.

This, again though, is saying nothing about the doormat and everything about other people.



The doormat lays out for all who come into contact for it to us to wipe their feet upon it. Mind you some people do and do not wipe thier feet. None the less, most people don't have to ask for pemission to ask their feet (that's sort of aburb). There are no boundaries in place regarding who can or can not use a doormat. The doormat has not inherient control over it's own use. This is when we apply the full literal meaning of a physical doormat in the figurative sense. If we compare to somebody to being in the likeness of a doormat, we should apply it fully. Because if we do not, we perhaps are not really talking about doormats at all are we?

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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 8:46:51 PM   
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When someone is described as a doormat it has nothing to do with the definition of an actual doormat, it simply means people walk all over them, they are very submissive. In bdsm terms this works as a description of slaves, especially "no limits" slaves, even if it is limited to "personal doormat" meaning only their dom/me walks all over them.


Where do you think the word "doormat" originates from? Do you somehow think it was not from the comparison of likeness to the physical object itself?

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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 8:51:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		The term doormat used in the BDSM world simply means a slaves owner can treat them like a doormat. Step on them,walk on them treat them like garbage if they wish and the slave has no say..Because after all a slave is a slave.It doesn't imply that anyone in the world can treat that slave in the same manner. It would appear people on here are getting a bit too specific with definitions. I think we all know what an actual doormat,laying outside your door is. By the BDSM definition, doormat is more of an adjective to describe a certain kind of slave.

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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 8:53:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Check out the link NZ posted, IdiotMale. What you just said isn't the (as in only) BDSM definition of doormat.

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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 8:53:40 PM   
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The doormat lays out for all who come into contact for it to us to wipe their feet upon it. Mind you some people do and do not wipe thier feet. None the less, most people don't have to ask for pemission to ask their feet (that's sort of aburb). There are no boundaries in place regarding who can or can not use a doormat. The doormat has not inherient control over it's own use. This is when we apply the full literal meaning of a physical doormat in the figurative sense. If we compare to somebody to being in the likeness of a doormat, we should apply it fully. Because if we do not, we perhaps are not really talking about doormats at all are we?

Etymologically....yes. Again though, "slave" (likely among plenty of other words) would fail at the 'paralleling the literal interpretation into contextual/figurative' test too.

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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 8:57:56 PM   
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After peeking around online, I found one BDSM dictionary that had the inclusion of "doormat":

http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/dictionary/Doormat/


Excellent article NZ, the part about taking responsbility connects with what I getting at regarding discipline (be it discipline or discipline established through a D/s dynamic), which would make one not as such.

I'm not saying there is not room for submissives being labeled a doormats. What I'm am expressed the misuse of this label. Which in fact is what the article you provides attempts to do.

I actually sort of like the sarcatistic closing of the article..

"If you wonder if this lifestyle is for you, in whatever role, but cannot tell the difference between doormat and submissive, you will do well to spend more time learning and meeting real people."

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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 8:59:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I read the definition and must disagree with parts of it.Rightly or wrongly. I always say a true slave in my opinion is a doormat.Whether the slave is happy or not or has low self esteem seems unimportant. I've said it once and I'll say it again. A slave is a slave.And a sub is a sub. 

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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 9:01:56 PM   
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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 9:06:05 PM   
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Well I read the definition and must disagree with parts of it.Rightly or wrongly. I always say a true slave in my opinion is a doormat.Whether the slave is happy or not or has low self esteem seems unimportant. I've said it once and I'll say it again. A slave is a slave.And a sub is a sub. 


A slave has submitted fully, however submission should not equate to doormat anymore than to the likeness of a toliet or a footstool. Mind you, how does a doormat truely submit anyways? A personal that has become objectfied in this manner has no mind, or is considered to be weak minded (a comparitive to the a doormat).

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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 9:11:00 PM   
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When someone is described as a doormat it has nothing to do with the definition of an actual doormat, it simply means people walk all over them, they are very submissive. In bdsm terms this works as a description of slaves, especially "no limits" slaves, even if it is limited to "personal doormat" meaning only their dom/me walks all over them.


This is where people have only partially adopted the full figurative translation of the literal meaning. Without taking in regards for the rest of the translation or implications associated to the meaning. Hence, there are additional negative connotations that are associated mentally when one is compared to be a doormat. It's only when you make the full associaiton of the literal to the figurative, do you gain total understanding of the implications involved.

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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 9:16:42 PM   
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Obviously it is a reference to actual doormats, but a doormat person is not an actual doormat and the definition for an actual doormat does not apply. A person who is called a doormat doesn't have to be anywhere near a door, or available for everyone visiting the house to wipe their feet.

"doormats plural
1 A doormat is a mat by a door which people can wipe their shoes on when they enter a house or building.

2 If you say that someone is a doormat, you are criticizing them because they let other people treat them badly, and do not complain or defend themselves when they are being treated unfairly."
http://www.google.com.au/dictionary?aq=f&langpair=en%7Cen&hl=en&q=doormat

When referring to a person use the second definition. And the whole point of D/s is unfair treatment, one serves the other is served.

Well said Idiotmale #285.

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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 9:18:01 PM   
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Wouldn't it be cool? I am not joking around here.

I would prefer her to be a woman of standing that I convert to doormatship. That would be some ultimate Dom ass shit.
Unfortunately the reality suggests that she will probably have experienced some fairly horrendous shit that would pave her plummet to doormatness.

In my minds eye I picture her successful, happily married with a loving and wonderful extended family. She has strong personal convictions and beliefs. Then I creep in and wonderfully alter all of that. This proud woman now is willing to do the lowest biddings of humanity. Suck cock for five dollars, modify her mind,spirit and body...To even eat shit and die.

She is out there and waiting. We must find her and prevent her from pursuing and participating in such a boring and mundane life. She is a beautiful dung rose just waiting to bloom.




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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 9:19:51 PM   
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If everyone agreed on the definition of doormat in the BDSM sense, IM, we wouldn't be 15 pages into the discussion, now would we?


I'm all up for a full figurative association of the word to it's literal meaning, perhaps this will bring forth the full set negative connotations involved. Plus, this association can be considered a form of objectification.

Would it not be more favorable to own a slave instead of a doormat? What does a doormat suggest in regards to a level of submission? What's the difference between an object submitting and a person submitting? There is much that can be considered along these lines of rationalizations that can be made. If somebody is viewed as being in the likeness of an object to begin with. Be it a footstool, doormat, loose screen door, a hole in a matress.



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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 9:45:06 PM   
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The doormat lays out for all who come into contact for it to us to wipe their feet upon it. Mind you some people do and do not wipe thier feet. None the less, most people don't have to ask for pemission to ask their feet (that's sort of aburb). There are no boundaries in place regarding who can or can not use a doormat. The doormat has not inherient control over it's own use. This is when we apply the full literal meaning of a physical doormat in the figurative sense. If we compare to somebody to being in the likeness of a doormat, we should apply it fully. Because if we do not, we perhaps are not really talking about doormats at all are we?

Etymologically....yes. Again though, "slave" (likely among plenty of other words) would fail at the 'paralleling the literal interpretation into contextual/figurative' test too.


Slave augments the principal of ownership without diminishment of human characteristics. Doormat is objectification that diminishes certain human characteristics.

In terms of Objectification, I would at least hope that everybody understands the concept. At least those that engage in this activitity, it removes certain human elements.

Who cares what a footstool, thinks or feels. It's a fucking footstool, it ain't supposed to have any thoughts or emotions. Same holds true with a Doormat.

I'm making a point in regards to how this word also is a form of objectification. Where certain human attributes become discounted or thrown away. Where a person is diminished as a human being.

The slave word does not diminish a human being, rather it augments ownerships and the level of submission involved, without diminishing human attributes to a likeness of an object.

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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 9:49:33 PM   
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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 9:53:40 PM   
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Whiplashsmile4,
Obviously it is a reference to actual doormats, but a doormat person is not an actual doormat and the definition for an actual doormat does not apply. A person who is called a doormat doesn't have to be anywhere near a door, or available for everyone visiting the house to wipe their feet.

"doormats plural
1 A doormat is a mat by a door which people can wipe their shoes on when they enter a house or building.

2 If you say that someone is a doormat, you are criticizing them because they let other people treat them badly, and do not complain or defend themselves when they are being treated unfairly."
http://www.google.com.au/dictionary?aq=f&langpair=en%7Cen&hl=en&q=doormat

When referring to a person use the second definition. And the whole point of D/s is unfair treatment, one serves the other is served.

Well said Idiotmale #285.


You left out this part of the second definition!! It's really there, recheck the Google link yourself.

"If you always give in to others you will end up feeling like a doormat. "

Which hold true to the Doormat being outside for everybody to use. "Others" would consist of friends, family, neighbors and anybody else.






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RE: Doormats - 2/27/2010 10:00:42 PM   
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I wonder how many girls boundaries could be erroded and moved by the powers of relativism, Oh crap back to moving a boundary 20 feet back. I expressed something about moving fences (boundaries) in a earlier post.

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