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Dumb argument....Labels are labels just as adjectives are adjectives and words are words.
Ornages are oranges and apples are apples.
all the time we use our words to describe things. A doormat should be considered to be an inanimate object that has no worries or cares in the manner that it is used. Clean off your feet on it, piss on it, set the fucker on fire.
There are people like this. They simply are. Now if someone thinks that this is the desired trait of a submissive that is fine. I think it would be kind of cool to have a few of these types of gals lying around the house.
Many people are not going to think there is anything remotely positive or desirable about this type of an individual....I get that as well.
So there needs to ave an understanding of the meaning of a word. instead we have a bunch of pompous Doms trying to justify their subs that exist within this dimension. it is what it is. You probably did nothing to create your doormat and she probably has a hard time discerning anything that is overly relevant to her life. Flotsam...jetsam.
Ok, I'll give it to ya that the argument about a doormat being a label was bad one, but the arguments of what it isn't is just as bad and when it starts getting that muddled, I return to basics. We all label ourselves in one way or another. But for a slave to tell a doormat there is no such thing as a doormat because a doormat is something that doesn't think, breathe, or live for herself is as absurd as negating what she herself is. (the slave who says there is no such thing as a human doormat). And really, saying that does make me realize there are sublte little nuances in every person that makes them happy in the state (or label, if you will), that they consider themself in.
My real point is, how can someone spute down someone's definition of themself and not expect to be scrutinized too, especially without at least trying to understand what that person means? And then to just dismiss that person's belief of themself as...."You're wrong, there is no such possible thing." Since I am not a doormat or a slave, I can only assume and try to understand by their own given definition. I cannot begin to define though. I will give you this though, you being a Dom have more of a say of what those women are, simply because if you do indeed like doormat type people, you're going to look for the traits that make up a doormat. But you know as well as I do, that women can be trying to come off as a doormat because she wants to please you. Does that still make her a doormat. It does if she can tolerate all the things you wish to do to her and she still doesn't leave. But to insist she can't leave because shes a doormat is as silly as saying "once I submit, I can no longer say no", because every damn girl that says that knows deep in her heart she can say no and one day just may say no, if she comes to a point where she simply can't go on.
I'm just not a boxable person. There are many many things in this world I don't understand. When I come across them, I usually read, listen, try to understand what they're saying and why they're saying it. I would never think to tell a person they were something they believed themselves to be, mainly because I am not going to let somebody tell me I am someone I don't think I am. (Well, I may not verbally argue with them, but they'll never ever in a million years convince me of it!)
So, ok Domiguy...you didn't like the word "label". Sorry.
No one has stated there is no such thing as a human doormat. Quite the opposite. Doormat syndrome is very real, documented, and treatable (if someone is so inclined)
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
false.
some "dictionary people" already handled it...unless you believe that Oxford's informal definition, quoted below, or being considered "a submissive person" is somehow NOT positive.
This is my interpretation of this thread.. That the vast majority of posters here see being a submissive person as not positive. You know, it's kind of OK if it's only a facade... something you CHOOSE to do when it suits you. But if it is just who you ARE, that's entirely different.
you are, of course, entitled to your opinion. no where did anyone say that being submissive was a bad thing. but, as usual, when people are unable to argue a point, they try another tactic to get others to hush and go away.
we are discussing the use of a term that has historically been used to refer to someone who is co-dependent, who can be seen as selfless as well as selfish. many wish to romanticize this term to apply it to what i consider to be a healthy relationship in the lifestyle.
TPE or EPE is NOT a fantasy....some folks think that you are mentally off if you live like this or think you are living in a fantasy world....this is NOT the case.
The submissive/property is NOT a door-mat...not a child (and is NOT treated like one except maybe in "play")...it is NOT an escape from responsibilities (you have more responsibility than ever in TPE or EPE)
Just because you are in TPE or EPE does not mean you as a submissive/property will not be a mom...a wife...a lover...a CEO...you just now have an added responsibility...your Master
http://www.bdsm-education.com/terminology.html
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