quote:

ORIGINAL: RacerJim


Ummm, read this portion of the whole article, mnottertail, and don't be so outrightly deceitful and obfuscatin.

"Critics point out that Williams’ choice to undergo his surgery in a U.S. hospital contrasts dramatically against the poor care that hundreds of breast cancer patients received in Newfoundland in earlier years. It was October 2005, when the Canadian public became aware of inaccuracies in breast cancer testing performed by the pathology laboratory that serves the provinces of Newfoundland and Labrador.

Based on an outside review of 1,013 breast cancer patients who had tested negative between May 1997 and August 2005, it was determined that, because of inaccurate pathology tests on estrogen receptors, 383 women in the retest group had not gotten appropriate treatment. Of this number, 108 patients had died by the time the pathology test review was conducted. (See The Dark Report, May 18, 2009: ER/PR Testing in Canada Continues to Make News.)"

If there was no fault with the Canadian healthcare system he wouldn't have had to take advantage of what the American healthcare system offers.

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail
not a failing at all, we skip lines all the time here, and you dont point that out in kind, and by your error of omission intend to infer that is not the case. so whos intellectually dishonest?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Archer

Music there is an old consultant's saying that I have yet to find the exception to prove the rule.

Cheap Fast Good pick 2.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Archer

You're reaching mnottertail, and reaching hard.

943 times removed you failed to acknowledge XY and Z but not A so who's being dishonest?.....

Did he cut the line and in doing so display his lack of faith in the free system in favor of our corrupted for profit system when the chips were down?
That is the only honest question, to avoid rationing yes he opted out of the free system and chose a corrupt profit based system, to avoid waiting lists he abondoned the principled nationalized system and chose to frequent the corrupt profit motive based system.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Smutmonger

Try getting a sterilization in this country if you are female-and under the age of forty or so. The conservative medical community simply will not do it. I can see why people travel to other countries to have things done.

quote:

Speaking of breast cancer, and not to mix apples and oranges, did you know that the survival rate in the US is 90% as opposed to 77% in European countries? Go figure, eh.

quote:

ORIGINAL: subfever

quote:

Speaking of breast cancer, and not to mix apples and oranges, did you know that the survival rate in the US is 90% as opposed to 77% in European countries? Go figure, eh.

I recently watched an interesting DVD called Healing Cancer from Inside Out (also available in book form). I learned that the "cure rate" for cancer merely means that the patient is still breathing 5 years after first being diagnosed with cancer.

You can be dead in 5 years and a month after diagnoses, but still be considered cured of cancer.

Hmm... I wonder if this has anything to do with "early detection" being such a focus of the cancer industry here in the States...

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

The point, though, is irrelevant.

ALL health care is rationed. All everything, for that matter, is rationed, going strictly by economics.

To cry "Health care will be rationed under this system!" is pointless because it already is rationed and always will be, no matter what the system.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Thadius

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

The point, though, is irrelevant.

ALL health care is rationed. All everything, for that matter, is rationed, going strictly by economics.

To cry "Health care will be rationed under this system!" is pointless because it already is rationed and always will be, no matter what the system.

The question then becomes "who is doing the rationing?" It is one thing to have to wait for an available appointment because a doctor has a decent sized practice, it is quite another to have to wait because some bean counter thinks a particular procedure is "elective".

(Yes I know that is what happens with private insurance as well.)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

So, Thadius, you are pointing out a distinction without a difference, for what purpose?

quote:

That definitely could account for the difference. Having the disease detected earlier would extend the survival rate if it is set at 5 years. One could also conclude that with earlier detection, less radical procedures are required to treat and hence more women survive longer.

Thanks for the insight.