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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 8:12:46 PM   
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Such studies have been around for quite some time. It particularly interesting to check studies that compare percentages of people espousing theistic notions between regular populations and groups dedicated to heavy intellectual pursuits (the premier members of their scientific fields, for instance).

The problem with all of this is that part of the accepted "affirmative action" phenomenon has become the equation of intelligence with human value. Somehow, people are just supposed to automatically be treated as "smart", just for being alive, because it's so closely tied with human worth.

No one likes to be told they are iffy in the intellectual department or are prone to making stupid decisions or are prone to keeping malformed decision-making methods, true. But people treating these studies as some "put down" are missing the forest for the trees. Humans of all intelligence levels still deserve the same freedoms.

Maybe if we didn't treat our species as being entitled to be called smart when we aren't we might actually advance our collective intelligence along a little quicker and a little better. As it is, though, we are rewarding intellectual apathy.


THIS. Oh so true.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 8:15:55 PM   
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Hi Lance... You need to read all the thread...you will see this discussion is dead on the op's premise.

Butch


Peer reviewed and genuinely scientific studies aren't dead just via someone's wishful thinking.

If you want to suggest that the OP is, by starting this thread, suggesting theists or conservative thinkers are somehow less worthy of civil liberties or rights because of the facts wrought from the study, then maybe you have a point, but otherwise there really isn't anything to contest.

The results of the study have been replicated and determined for quite some time.



No...I am saying, if this study is true, then the intelligence of atheists is inferior to conservatism and religion when it comes to the power and reality of this world.

And if this is true then according to Darwin atheists will disappear as an inferior offshoot of the human race.

Sounds silly huh…well so does the premise of this thread and this is the point I am making.

Butch



Butch, you totally missed NZ's point. Totally.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 8:20:06 PM   
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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 8:49:43 PM   
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Butch, you totally missed NZ's point. Totally.

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No I don't think I have at all... this study supplies no data to support its numbers. Saying other studies say the same is not posting links to them… But… as I have said over and over IF it were true then what is important in this world is determined by the less intelligent. This would mean that 2 or 3 points of intelligence is not the important determining factor that shapes the world we live in.

At this time in history the majority of mankind believes in a deity. According to your study that would mean the majority was of lesser average intelligence yet they… not atheists …have shaped the world.

Would you not agree?

Butch


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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 9:09:35 PM   
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No I don't think I have at all... this study supplies no data to support its numbers.


You do realise that I posted an abstract and not the study, right? I mean Musicmystery even highlighted this in post 3...

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 9:14:26 PM   
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At this time in history the majority of mankind believes in a deity. According to your study that would mean the majority was of lesser average intelligence yet they… not atheists …have shaped the world.
NO! That is NOT what the study says at all. What is says is that more intelligent people are more likely to believe in non-traditional ideas...such as atheism and many so-called "liberal" policies. It states that the more intelligent a person the more likely they are to hold ideas they have arrived at on their own and not simply accept what they have been taught. You not only missed NZ's point, you have completely misunderstood what the study concluded.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 9:18:59 PM   
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Arpig, I admire your perseverance. :-)

Butch, I absolutely welcome a difference of opions and ideas when those ideas are logical and founded in facts. This is too surreal for me. I do not want to come across as condescending but you did admit earlier that pain meds might be clouding your reasoning. That might be an indication that you might not be making all the necessary connections needed to debate this to the fullest of your capacities.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 9:30:27 PM   
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Similarly, religion is a byproduct of humans' tendency to perceive agency and intention as causes of events, to see "the hands of God" at work behind otherwise natural phenomena. "Humans are evolutionarily designed to be paranoid, and they believe in God because they are paranoid," says Kanazawa. This innate bias toward paranoia served humans well when self-preservation and protection of their families and clans depended on extreme vigilance to all potential dangers. "So, more intelligent children are more likely to grow up to go against their natural evolutionary tendency to believe in God, and they become atheists."

The above explains what I am talking about...it is crap science with no basis in reality. If it were true then religion would have disappeared generations ago and we would all be atheists.

Another fault with this thinking is how these very same intelligent… very liberal young adults …change their political opinion as they age and gain experience in life.

I along with most of my peers as young adults were very liberal…then I got older with more responsibilities I became more conservative… then as I became older still I moved back more to the center.

This study takes none of this into consideration...it is flawed and making silly unsubstantiated conclusions with incomplete data.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:11:27 PM   
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This study takes none of this into consideration...it is flawed and making silly unsubstantiated conclusions with incomplete data.


Again, you read a study summary and not a study. This still hasn't sunken in, has it.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:21:50 PM   
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This study takes none of this into consideration...it is flawed and making silly unsubstantiated conclusions with incomplete data.


Again, you read a study summary and not a study. This still hasn't sunken in, has it.

- LA



What I quoted from your article was taken from the study... has that not sunken into you. Did you not read your own link?

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:29:32 PM   
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Look, butch, you are misunderstanding..it says more intelligent...ah forget it, believe whatever you want.




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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:30:18 PM   
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The article reports conclusions, not the study or its methodology.

That's the point I made at the start of this circle.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:31:30 PM   
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Look, butch, you are misunderstanding..it says more intelligent...ah forget it, believe whatever you want.





I tell ya. He's starting to prove the study right!

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:36:15 PM   
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Well, he's busy, what with not conquering the world and all.



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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:38:06 PM   
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Well, he's busy, what with not conquering the world and all.





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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:45:01 PM   
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Humans are evolutionarily designed to be paranoid, and they believe in God because they are paranoid


Pretty cut and dry to me...yes very scientific... How am I misunderstanding.

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So, more intelligent children are more likely to grow up to go against their natural evolutionary tendency to believe in God, and they become atheists."


The make up of the world population says this theory is crap...how can you misunderstand what I am saying.


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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:47:14 PM   
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Classy post my dear...as usual

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:52:26 PM   
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Well, he's busy, what with not conquering the world and all.






If I can give it I can take it......can you?

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:54:24 PM   
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So, more intelligent children are more likely to grow up to go against their natural evolutionary tendency to believe in God, and they become atheists."


The make up of the world population says this theory is crap...how can you misunderstand what I am saying.


You need to look forward Butch, not backward.

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RE: Liberals & Atheists Smarter? Intelligent Ppl Have V... - 2/25/2010 10:55:16 PM   
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You kidding? I'm an atheist---I'm too busy plotting world domination.

One slut at a time....

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